"i'd bet" is speculative.
But I got you where I wanted you, defensive
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OK, I'm done.
What is the best way to approach a friend who pirates games?
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"i'd bet" is speculative.
But I got you where I wanted you, defensive
EDIT:
OK, I'm done.
pinkurocket
Member
It is so easy to pirate, however let him know how cheap it is to game on PC. Show him steam sales, bundles. Websites like epicbundle.com constantly list bundles and deals. If he doesn't want to spend money on gaming, he shouldn't expect to be playing AAA games at launch. Maybe if he sees what's available for little money, he'll grow more attached to buying and owning your own games.
If anything, get him on Steam, maybe he'll get into the Steam meta game with trading cards or showing off the progress in games through achievements/hours played etc. Even silly stuff like getting the latest updates (torrents are rarely completely up-to-date).
In short; I wouldn't go and preach about how bad it is to pirate, but rather the positive things you get when buying games.
If anything, get him on Steam, maybe he'll get into the Steam meta game with trading cards or showing off the progress in games through achievements/hours played etc. Even silly stuff like getting the latest updates (torrents are rarely completely up-to-date).
In short; I wouldn't go and preach about how bad it is to pirate, but rather the positive things you get when buying games.
"i'd bet" is speculative.
But I got you where I wanted you, defensive
The internet puppetmaster with the logo avatar has made me dance. What power. Why waste time with me, inquisitor, when you could be out there bringing the OP's admitted pirate friend to justice?
It's not all that hard to find music videos put up on youtube without permission of VEVO or whoever. Just add "Lyrics" to whatever song you're searching for and you'll find plenty. The reason people put these videos up in the first place is because many youtube-to-mp3 conversions sites have their requests blocked by youtube if they try to access a VEVO video file, so people mirror them under the guise of being lyrics so people can rip the audio out of the video onto their phones or whatever.
You're sort of avoiding the argument.
OK, I'm done.
Er, this was the takeaway from many of Valve's discussions at Steam Dev Days. There is a ton of evidence to support this theory.
Pancakes R Us
Member
This one, please. Minus the grenade.
kerotan_eater
Banned
Of course we should condemn stealing (even if it's not the same)
But I don't see this as an issue you should be necessarily going to one individual and calling them out for.
Stealing will always occur. The industry needs to fix this issue by as much as possible, by not screwing us with greedy prices and giving us decent trials of videogames.
We aren't going to be past pirating by blaming them in society. We can only minimize it.
Its just a multifaceted area. You might want to take into account that people who pirate spend more on content too. Does he buy any game related stuff? Maybe he is too poor? Wouldn't it be better to just allow himself to enjoy these experiences, rather than go without? Does he have a job? Maybe he is saving up for his medical treatment or something and can't afford to spend money? Is he, working in his self interest by getting fun games for free and enjoying his life (there is a whole bunch of philosophy undergrad talk here that is relevant) such a wretched thing to do? How much of a crime is it if he isn't litterally taking something off a shelf from a production line?
I'm not saying he's wrong or right, just be careful with condeming someone before not understanding the nuance of these issues first.
But I don't see this as an issue you should be necessarily going to one individual and calling them out for.
Stealing will always occur. The industry needs to fix this issue by as much as possible, by not screwing us with greedy prices and giving us decent trials of videogames.
We aren't going to be past pirating by blaming them in society. We can only minimize it.
Its just a multifaceted area. You might want to take into account that people who pirate spend more on content too. Does he buy any game related stuff? Maybe he is too poor? Wouldn't it be better to just allow himself to enjoy these experiences, rather than go without? Does he have a job? Maybe he is saving up for his medical treatment or something and can't afford to spend money? Is he, working in his self interest by getting fun games for free and enjoying his life (there is a whole bunch of philosophy undergrad talk here that is relevant) such a wretched thing to do? How much of a crime is it if he isn't litterally taking something off a shelf from a production line?
I'm not saying he's wrong or right, just be careful with condeming someone before not understanding the nuance of these issues first.
Yes, it is.
Someone designed that logo and someone else paid for it and owns the rights to it. I can't for eg, open a shop and use that logo as my logo because I don't have the rights to use it, and neither do you.
There isn't some middle fudge which says "hey, you can break this law but not that law".
It's funny you mention sharing discs because I've seen that called "legalized piracy" by hardliners on NeoGAF.
That's an easy one.
Still user choice.
VEVO provides annotations for the lyrics, the user can choose to watch it on the artist' VEVO or not.
That's why VEVO exists in the first place.
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Keyword here is "theory".
However you guys try to bend it, piracy is bad. It's not difficult to get that.
SkeptiMism
Member
Are you being sarcastic or serious?
If you're serious, you do understand that there are no special rights required for a friend to say his opinion on piracy and explain why it's wrong?
If you can't say that as a friend, then your friendship probably isn't very deep to begin with.
This doesn't mean that you have to make it a big deal obviously, but you can say it's wrong and explain your stance just fine.
Don't do this. Let him think he has the moral high ground. The self-assured false sense of superiority he's taking on is pretty hysterical.
that's not addressing what I said. Your claim was to the tune that listening to music on youtube isn't piracy, because VEVO exists. Clearly, youtube still has pirated material on board. Unless you were meant to imply that your family or whatever has only ever watched content from VEVO, which I find pretty dubious.
Do you know what the word "theory" means?
chrishackwood
Member
...you wouldn't steal a steam account...
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Agreed, that sounds like a good approach.
What's with all the silly false equivalences in this thread? Jesus.
"Lose a friend", what? If his friend is that butthurt about being mildly criticized over this, he's probably such a douche that he's not a friend worth keeping.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
After reading the majority of your guys' posts, I broached the topic and he said he doesn't feel bad because of all the shit developers pull with DLC. I laughed and basically told him I didn't agree with what he was doing, especially with pirating indie games, and that shitty DLC doesn't justify it. He said there wasn't a difference in big/indie developers, so I brought up the indie movie we recently watched, and he then laughed and said that he usually will buy the game when it's cheap on steam to support the indie developer, but they were currently asking too much for it. He said this particular developer was going to hit it big anyway so it wasn't a big deal.
We then moved onto something else.
We then moved onto something else.
He has watched every ad, paid for every song, paid for every movie in the theater and made friends pay to watch movies and TV with him at home. It's the only way he can be totally moral because otherwise he is a pirate or consorts with pirates which makes him guilty by association.
Good lord where do you guys get these examples from ?
Using a logo in an avatar !=opening a shop with it to *generate revenue*.
The correct term is fair-use.
Just like fan website can use official art.
I'm not making money with that logo, get it ?
If he actually does that it isn't too big a deal imo.
As if it would go any other way. And the world will keep spinning because your friend being a video game pirate doesn't affect anything actually important in a substantial way.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Haha, he sounds like an asshole to be honest. He knows what he's doing is wrong and that his justification is asinine, but instead of admitting "yeah, I just don't want to pay for it", he's still making up excuses. Kinda sad really.
Yeah, and? What's your point exactly? OP never said he was trying to change the world, FFS.
pinkurocket
Member
Seems like typical excuses. ):
Oh well, you can't really expect too much. With that Steam comment, you could still ask him if he doesn't find it a waste to not have the hours and achievements he logged with the pirated copy on Steam with the copy he will maybe buy (probaby not tbh). If he doesn't care about that, then I guess it's a lost cause.
Sounds about what I'd expect the conversation to go like.
A thread of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Still user choice, however you try to wrestle with it.
youtube-to-mp3 is explicit user choice.
The valve talk slides were one use-case, yet you see it as a general unconditional truth.
I should be asking you that question.
...youtube-to-mp3 has nothing to do with the point I was making. The point I was making is that there is still pirated content on youtube that people can mistakenly access.
they were not one use-case.
No. You using that logo is not fair use. Fair use requires you to link to the author and mention whoever has copyright.
baphomet
Member
Its very obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. You think valve are the only developers who have realized this? Its far from being a one sided discussion.
killatopak
Member
Show him steam really.
There are a lot of benifits in Steam aside from the sales.
The ecosystem is great and it's nice to talk to people.
There are a lot of benifits in Steam aside from the sales.
The ecosystem is great and it's nice to talk to people.
OK, I'm done.
Oddly enough, the OP's post kinda supports this. His friend bragging about an indie game he pirated and how great it is actually functions as marketing, where otherwise the friend might not have even bought it. Not saying it's OK to pirate from a 8 person studio, it's morally wrong, but it does make more people aware of the game than there would be otherwise.
OldmanAndroid
Member
I've always considered todays pirate as tomorrows consumer. If he plays a game he really likes, he'll be more likely to buy the sequel in a couple years when he has more money. Pirated avengers and loved it? More likely to go see avengers 2 in theatres.
As someone making an indie game, I hope as many people pirate my game as possible. More potential consumers for my next game.
As someone making an indie game, I hope as many people pirate my game as possible. More potential consumers for my next game.
stufte
Member
Implied license wouldn't require him to do that.
http://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1470&context=chtlj
Yep. It seems like the hardliner is himself a pirate of someone else's logo. What a wacky turn of events.
most of my friends pirate games, even these days with steam sales and whatnot. it has always been pretty normal here. Not much you can do to change their minds, hard to argue with 60 vs free (for a recently released game that is)
SnakeSlashRO
Banned
Who cares? If you can't speak your mind around your friend anyway you might have other issues to worry about first.
Just speak your mind and let it go, don't get preachy...
Just speak your mind and let it go, don't get preachy...
Keep it light. Its all in the delivery. "You know, you should probably buy that game, just to support the makers. Every bit helps." Then immediately change the subject and don't mention it again. If he still continues to pirate games its on him and you've done your bit without being preachy and annoying.
SnakeSlashRO
Banned
Also this.
Same goes for once his ass gets a job. After a while you have a shit ton of games you never play.
Err, thanks for posting a 52 page PDF, but would you care to point out the section I'm to read?
I see you looked it up, good boy.
but it still makes your comparison irrelevant.
I'm not damaging the product.
But OK I should hold on to my butt because there's a lawsuit incoming, I get your point.
The last post answers the lesser one.
Piracy spreads awareness about a product OK.
But accepting is as a general truth that is always helps the product in a positive way (sales, quality, whatever ...) is ridiculous.
My point is, it's NOT OK to pirate whatever satellite benefit there is.
so baphomet, if you ever work on a game, I'd really like you to share your feelings when someone you know pirates it because "it's OK as marketing".
Right now, the game I'm working on is free to download for all. It will eventually be available for sale. We are cool with people downloading it for free, because it gives us press. Example: Us appearing on the front page of eurogamer, which garnered enough attention for us to be invited to valve.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Xpliskin, I think you're being trolled. No one genuinely believes that using a logo as avatar is equivalent to pirating a game, I'm sure.
baphomet
Member
I've worked on plenty of niche albums, and piracy is a given and can be a great benefit.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned