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[dreamlock]

"We decided to lock them at the same specs to avoid all the debates and stuff," senior producer Vincent Pontbriand told VideoGamer.com

OK, just saw this and have to vent. My first thought?

Fuck off!

Is this for real? Oh man, oh man...OH HELL NO. This shit right here needs to fucking stop in this industry before it is too late. I didn't have the game on pre-order yet as I was uncertain whether to go with PC or PS4 due to the WD fiasco. What they've shown about the game has made me interested, but there's NO WAY I'm buying it at all until they skip this parity bullshit - hell, I can even see them limiting the PC just for it not to seem "too powerful" in comparison to an inferior little freaking box made of cheap parts and dollar bills.

That guy will receive a lot of heat from M$ & Sony for admitting this. If that doesn't get someone fired, I really don't know what will. Sadly, despite his comment(he really did not think twice to check with PR first, did he now..) it's probably not solely his decision..still, fire 'em all I say - this is not acceptable.

 

[Kinyou]

Damn, there's a lot of anger in this thread.

Does the lower resolution make the game not fun anymore? Not worth playing? I didn't realize gamers were so principled.

Will be picking up on PC, but this doesn't seem like the most compelling reason to cancel a pre-order or refuse to buy the game.

The idea that apparently many would be ok with 900p if the xb1 version was at 720p is what makes it funny to me.

 

[Fess]

Lol awesome gif

It's quite odd to come out and say this with the intention to avoid debate and stuff heh

But I've moved to PC anyhow for multiplats to avoid this 30fps disaster of a generation on consoles so I think I'm good - gsynced 100fps, bring it!

 

[plasmawave]

Well thanks Obama.

 

[kingkaiser]

Ubisoft's PR department at this very moment

 

[BruiserBear]

You might want to think about this a little more.

Have you thought about the fact that this developer didn't need to say anything about "parity"? He could have just said "hey, this is the best we could do", and leave it at that.

By your suggestion they were paid for "parity", and then he decided to publicly reveal this fact? lol

The one that "Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along." i.e an insider.

Oh great. I love insiders who only know stuff after the fact.

 

[RoboPlato]

Played farcry 4 at egx the other week and it was smooth (30) and 1080 but the HRAA solution is superb. It had the cleanest display there and you struggle to see any edges or jagged even crawling on textures, Michael is a math genius with his AA algorithms.

Good to hear. I'm always happy when a new post process AA method hits the scene and does good work since consoles rarely use MSAA.

 

[Tactics18]

That's just stupid.

And I was even hyped for it... not now though.

 

[Kayant]

That isn't what UBI said nor what happened! They said the game is CPU bound. PS4 only has a more powerful graphics chip. if you are cpu bound, both systems are essentially the same speed.

all this ranting and raving is a waste of time people. Ubi hit parity by needing more CPU. Not because they couldn't make use of performance in PS4's GPU.

Hmm...

Yes, you can get more out of the PS4's CPU than you can the Xbox's.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121958788&postcount=203

http://gamingbolt.com/substance-eng...eneration-speed-to-14-mbs-12-mbs-respectively

Devs are getting more performance for PS4's CPU atm. Also that means exactly that they are not using PS4's GPU headroom here were the CPU is more of the issue here.

 

[Nirolak]

2000 posts and 100,000 views. They've truly successfully avoided having a debate.

 

[loaf of bread]

So you're going to fling accusations around as fact with nothing to go on but assumptions until said assumptions can be disproven? Thats so logic going on there.

Its little wonder parts of society still see gaming as an arena of immature self absorbed individuals with low social skills. I mean, look at the outrage over what amounts to a number of pixels. Its one thing to be confused or disappointed and asking why; its another thing altogether for so many people in here posting about how outraged they are or this announcement makes their blood boil. Jeez.

Its not about the resolution. I don't give a shit if the game is 720p even. The outrage stems from them gimping one version just to have parity.

And I never said anything was a fact. I clearly said it was my assumption and I was going off of that. From the info given here, I assume its an MS deal and unless I see more convincing evidence that it isn't, I'll assume it is because this info makes it seem like it.

 

[mdubs]

Why does this make you want to purchase the XBO version more? If you want to play it on Xbox play it on Xbox. To wish for gimping to avoid your own temptation. Stupid.

Because now I don't have to worry about getting a lesser version. I understand why that's upsetting to people but that's just the way I feel about it currently.

 

[JimPanzer]

I'm not saying that it's not bullshit. Like, _of course_ there's no good reason to make the PS4 version worse than it could be. But it's also a very miniscule thing. It's not something I would cancel a pre-order or make a 40-page-thread over.

the problem is not that it's only a thing about numbers. the whole thing is completely anti-consumer. noone on the consumer-side is profitting from this, not even Xbone owners. the only side profitting from this is mircrosoft and ubisoft (marketing money and maybe less stress to optimize the PS4 version. hell, it might even be bad for ubisoft considering the backlash it already caused.

 

[Lys Skygge]

So many confused people in here.

We aren't angry that the PS4 and XB1 versions are running at the same specs.

We're mad because Ubisoft flat out said PS4 could do better, but they decided to keep it the same because of "debates".

Nobody has a problem with them busting their ass on the XB1 version to get it up to where the PS4 version is. It's the fact that they chopped the PS4 version down.

This!!!!

Also, Ubisoft gimping one version for parity is NOT going to stop people from debating. Debates are going to shift from "X1 is marginally inferior" to "The PS4 version was gimped due to the X1 being inferior". I'd say the latter is going to cause more backlash.

 

[krypt0nian]

2000 posts and 100,000 views. They've truly successfully avoided having a debate.

#PS4PARITY is blowing up too.

REDDIT is rampaging too.

 

[Russell]

Preorder kept. Can't wait to play the game. Looks great.

You really shouldn't be supporting this shit. At the very least you should buy it used.

 

[CambriaRising]

Because now I don't have to worry about getting a lesser version. I understand why that's upsetting to people but that's just the way I feel about it currently.

You're getting the lessor version either way.

 

[TomRL]

Have I said the XB1 is stronger?
Have I even said that the XB1 and PS4 are the same?

No, I havent.

But for me 900p X 1080p does not prove me that the PS4 is MUCH stronger then XB1. Id use that for a difference like WiiU or Wii last gen.

We know the PS4 is about 40% more powerful. That's significant. There is no debating with those numbers.

#PS4PARITY is blowing up too.

This is great news. Day 1 1080p patch I'm thinking.

 

[Dragon]

The idea that apparently many would be ok with 900p if the xb1 version was at 720p is what makes it funny to me.

Who is arguing this? I'm late to the thread but haven't see anyone saying anything like that.

 

[Facism]

2000 posts and 100,000 views. They've truly successfully avoided having a debate.

man's be picking this ting up on twitter too, you get me

 

[shem935]

Meh. I play games for fun, not graphics whoring, you guys should try it.

I too like to enter threads without reading them and claim the highground in the debate I have no knowledge of by saying "I like fun, obvioulsy I am superior because reasons" and then leave.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

How much did MS pay for this? I cant imagineUbisodt wilfully gimped a version of their game.

 

[adamantypants]

If there is GPU resources to spare and the game is CPU bound, why would they limit the resolution?

The real question. Unless they're doing some GPGPU stuff the resolution has nothing to do with CPU power.

 

[John Harker]

You have it backwards.

What if you went to the movies, walk in and the movie is played at DVD quality?

"we made the theater and dvd the same quality so that there would be no debate"

that's a much better argument. I saw a movie in theaters once and there was a pole in my way. wtf was up with that?! couldn't get any of my money back, stupid architects. (not a joke post, it was really annoying!)

byt anyway, though, my point was home entertainment and how that industry works mostly, but hollywood as a whole.

deals aside, that was a pretty thought-less quote the guy said anyway

 

[hawk2025]

The idea that apparently many would be ok with 900p if the xb1 version was at 720p is what makes it funny to me.

It makes it funny if you are either being purposefully obtuse or completely missing the point.

Neither of which are a good look for you.

 

[ikariX]

I'll wait for a 1080p patch or used/bargain bin.

 

[funkystudent]

They should use the power of the cloud to reduce the burden on the cpu and increase the frame rate on XB1 damn this parity stuff.

And use GPU compute to do the same on PS4.


Ubi PR messed up. Even the CPU bound excuse doesnt stack up to fanboy fairydust engineering.

 

[Alec]

and who is JohnHarker?

An "insider". According to various Google searches.

 

[JABEE]

and who is JohnHarker?

Someone who is an insider that posts a lot in Sales threads. I believe he works at a major publisher.

 

[IAmRandom31]

2000 posts and 100,000 views. They've truly successfully avoided having a debate.

Ps4 will get a Day 2 patch

The deal was for launch parity

 

[koutoru]

Wait, is this serious? From PlayStation Germany:

Unleash the power of #PS4 and dont hold it back ! #PS4NoParity

https://twitter.com/PS4Germany/status/519165094681669632

 

[RulkezX]

Then i'll achieve parity by not buying it for PS4 or X1.

Take that ubisoft !

 

[sense]

So all that Microsoft money for Call of Duty marketing and map packs couldn't save Ghosts from being 720p on XB1?

This argument that Microsoft forced parity is so illogical it's not even funny.

maybe MS thought it was not going to be a big deal at that time especially with cod because the userbase buys the game on their console usually anyway. after seeing the sales and the general sentiment spreading like fire that their console was underpowered they decided to go out of their way to make sure their console is just as good and tried to send help out to devs to get their game performing the same way as the competitor. please don't be so naive in thinking this has no ms hand in this. they are comarketing the game this time around and they are not going to have the narrative that the game runs and plays better on the competitors console especially when they will be in full swing this holiday trying to get their sales back up.

 

[djkeem]

Meh. I play games for fun, not graphics whoring, you guys should try it.

Some people don't want to fund ignorance. I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[SgtCobra]

PS4 does NOT have a more powerful CPU.

Okay.

Yes, you can get more out of the PS4's CPU than you can the Xbox's.

Edit: beaten like Ubisofts PR manager.

 

[Mass Effect]

2000 posts and 100,000 views. They've truly successfully avoided having a debate.

Not to mention a Twitter campaign too.

 

[JohnGrimm]

Almost 100k views in 2 hours. What have you done Ubisoft?

 

[Elrina]

Pre-order cancelled. I'll buy it, but I'll get it used and I'll live without the pre-order incentives and any DLC. I don't really care why they're doing it, but I'm not supporting forced parity.

I guess I can only hope this affects sales enough that they backtrack on it later, or decide against forcing parity next time. First time I'll be buying a used game from Gamestop in over 10 years.

 

[LifEndz]

This generation continues to be one of the weirdest. The backlash from this is going to be worse than if the game was 900p on the X1 and 1080 on PS4. We're getting used to the latter, but to hold back one version because the other can't keep up is so misguided it makes you wonder what the people that made this decision were thinking.

"Ya know, MS is paying to advertise Unity and it really wouldn't look right if the game ran worse on their platform....so lets make both versions the same!"

 

[low-G]

For the extreme layman, this is what Ubisoft said (regarding CPU & resolution):

"Both PS4 and Xbox One can only have 10 Apples, so we are giving 10 Apples to both.

Also, to end debates, both Xbox One and PS4 will receive 20 Oranges, despite the fact that PS4 could have 26 Oranges."

 

[Ambitious]

In 2014, any console game not running at a full, native 1080p without any trickery (looking at you, Guerilla Games) should automatically get at least one point/10% deducted from any review.

 

[Jito]

I too like to enter threads without reading them and claim the highground in the debate I have no knowledge of by saying "I like fun, obvioulsy I am superior because reasons" and then leave.

Fantastic attempt at a comeback but sadly I've read this whine thread and I'm still here reading it.

 

[hohoXD123]

2000 posts and 100,000 views. They've truly successfully avoided having a debate.

Hey, it could be worse. There could be a twitter campa...

#PS4NoParity
@Ubisoft @UbisoftMTL @assassinscreed @IGN @gamespot @kotaku @playstation @AngryJoeShow @CynicalBrit

Dunno many big gaming personalities doe.

Too bad Alexandre Amancio and others working on the game aren't using twitter.

Also trying to get @yosp @amboyes to retweet the hashtag

Oh.

 

[Kinyou]

Who is arguing this? I'm late to the thread but haven't see anyone saying anything like that.

Well that's the whole deal with parity right? If the xb1 version was 720p there would be no parity anymore. Suddenly 900p would be fine.

 

[ymmv]

Damn, there's a lot of anger in this thread.

Does the lower resolution make the game not fun anymore? Not worth playing? I didn't realize gamers were so principled.

Will be picking up on PC, but this doesn't seem like the most compelling reason to cancel a pre-order or refuse to buy the game.

Because PC owners don't care at all about games that were gimped despite additional PC power ...? Please ... Threads about the original resolution of Dark Souls or console to PC ports running at a fixed 30fps tell me PC gamers care a lot about these things.

 

[HTVfanatic]

Damn, there's a lot of anger in this thread.

Does the lower resolution make the game not fun anymore? Not worth playing? I didn't realize gamers were so principled.

Will be picking up on PC, but this doesn't seem like the most compelling reason to cancel a pre-order or refuse to buy the game.

Its not necessarily because of the lower resolution. It is the fact that they purposely made one version worse than it can be. I believe they've said that the PS4 version is better than the X1 version, but they are making the PS4 version worse so that parity reigns supreme.

 

[Saint Gregory]

And to think that there are still people who don't believe that Ubi intentionally crippled the PC version of WD so it wouldn't outshine the console ports.

They got the last of my money that they'll ever see after that stunt to this new outrage doesn't even faze me.

 

[jooso]

Holy fucking shit 40 pages when I'm off GAF for a few hours. Well atleast there aren't any debates and stuff.

 

[Serick]

Exactly, if they are CPU bound they can do nothing about it. It's not like they have a 1060/60 PS4 version hidden away in a vault somewhere - it just simply doesn't exist.

Is it really that hard to read the quote and see that the CPU is the reason it's 30fps and that they willingly admit they can hit 1080p?

 

[banagher]

Wait, is this serious? From PlayStation Germany:

Unleash the power of #PS4 and dont hold it back ! #PS4NoParity

https://twitter.com/PS4Germany/status/519165094681669632

Not a real account. Its not even verifed cmon now.