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[TAJ]

Nope.

You ever wonder why all those check cashing places exist? Why grocery stores have check cashing?

A lot of people use cash and don't have bank accounts.

Yep, the majority of the carpenters I worked with didn't have bank accounts.

 

[Tacitus_]

You should read up on Jim Crow laws and why we as Americas give a strong side-eye to attempts at poll taxes and voter blocking like these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws


Since voting laws have been used to surpress voters before, and it's the same damn people trying to do it now. Literally. Don't buy into it.

It's a cultural difference. Using a photo ID comes so naturally to me, so I'm always baffled how the US has such a strong response to this. When I go vote, I just show them my ID and scratch my choice on the ballot and drop it in. In and out in 5 minutes if there's no huge queues.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

Finally I can get my hobo to vote on my behalf again.

 

[SliceSabre]

Good this is just another way Republicans try to stop minorities, elderly and poor from voting.

 

[Donos]

IDs aren't free, and you have to get them in person. This is a problem for old people, poor people, and for rural dwellers.

I understand this but in Germany most people have their ID with them and it also costs you (around 28 €). You can't vote on anything without ID.
I carry my ID in my pocket every day (same for gf).
You don't have to carry it with you but when you reach age of 16 you need to have an ID or passport. It's law.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

I understand this but in Germany most people have their ID with them and it also costs you (around 28 €). You can't vote on anything without ID.
I carry my ID in my pocket every day (same for gf).
You don't have to carry it with you but when you reach age of 16 you need to have an ID or passport. It's law.

Do you feel that voting is suppressed there?
The Democrats here in the U.S. don't seem to want voter IDs. As an outsider, why do you think that is?

 

[The Technomancer]

Do you feel that voting is suppressed there?
The Democrats here in the U.S. don't seem to want voter IDs. As an outsider, why do you think that is?

it must be for all the voter fraud people keep finding

oh wait

 

[IAmRandom31]

One thing to ask liberals. Why would someone not have a photo ID in the first place?

Did they conveniently lose it right before voting?

Come on now.

There are very few people in the country who legitimately CANT get an ID. I can't think of anyone at the moment, maybe a homeless person. Other then that?

 

[FyreWulff]

One thing to ask liberals. Why would someone not have a photo ID in the first place?

Did they conveniently lose it right before voting?

Come on now.

There are very few people in the country who legitimately CANT get an ID. I can't think of anyone at the moment, maybe a homeless person. Other then that?

Do you want something to eat, or would you like to vote in the next election?

What problem does requiring ID to vote solve?

 

[Diablos]

Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dissented

The sun rises, the sun sets.

Scalia is a major asshole and Thomas is the most inept member of the bench, like, ever. Alito is just a creepy libertarian dude. Would not go to his house for dinner without a guest, no way.

 

[KHarvey16]

One thing to ask liberals. Why would someone not have a photo ID in the first place?

Did they conveniently lose it right before voting?

Come on now.

There are very few people in the country who legitimately CANT get an ID. I can't think of anyone at the moment, maybe a homeless person. Other then that?

Many people don't have ID. Requiring it solves precisely no problems and causes a couple, including spending taxpayer dollars for no reason and making it harder for people to vote. If you doubt that latter point for some strange reason, ask yourself why republicans are so interested in getting it into place.

 

[IAmRandom31]

Many people don't have ID. Requiring it solves precisely no problems and causes a couple, including spending taxpayer dollars for no reason and making it harder for people to vote. If you doubt that latter point for some strange reason, ask yourself why republicans are so interested in getting it into place.

Many people don't have ID's?

Who?

Do you want something to eat, or would you like to vote in the next election?

What problem does requiring ID to vote solve?

Multiple votes?
Non-citizens voting?

Without ID requirement I could waltz into any voting center and vote. Then drive a few miles down the road and vote again, just writing down whatever random name I think of.

Without something to identify yourself, what stops this?

 

[Donos]

Do you feel that voting is suppressed there?
The Democrats here in the U.S. don't seem to want voter IDs. As an outsider, why do you think that is?

Don't think so but then again everybody is used to have an ID when they get 16. If you loose it, you have to get a new one. If not you have to pay a fine.

Before this thread i didn't know that NA treads this differently.
How do they check if you are the person you say you are when you vote in the US ?

And while you have to pay for it, it's really not much. It got more expensive because it's a like a chipcard now with tons of security measures on it.. Till a few years ago the ID was valid for an unlimited time. Now it's valid for 10 years. That's 23 €/ 28 € for 10 years (23 € if you are under 24).

Have to read more about this to judge both sides but while i think that voting fraud probably is not really a big issue in NA, demanding and ID to verify your identity is not totally wrong.

We also have a bit different social care system and you really don't have to starve when you are unemployed for a long time / permantently so getting the money for a ID is noch really a problem. A bit diffrent situation with some immigrants or asylum seekers.

 

[Konka]

Don't think so but then again everybody is used to have an ID when they get 16. If you loose it, you have to get a new one. If not you have to pay a fine.

Before this thread i didn't know that NA treads this differently.
How do they check if you are the person you say you are when you vote in the US ?

And while you have to pay for it, it's really not much. It got more expensive because it's a like a chipcard now with tons of security measures on it.. Till a few years ago the ID was valid for an unlimited time. Now it's valid for 10 years. That's 23 €/ 28 € for 10 years (23 € if you are under 24).

Have to read more about this to judge both sides but while i think that voting fraud probably is not really a big issue in NA, demanding and ID to verify your identity is not totally wrong.

It doesn't matter. Voting is right. That means there cannot be a prerequisite that you have to pay for anything to do it.

Voter fraud is a nonexistent issue. This is simply a voter suppression method, it shouldn't come to any surprise to people that that is the reason only the Republicans are pushing for it.

 

[The Technomancer]

Many people don't have ID's?

Who?

Students who only have a photo ID from another state? Poor people who don't have bank accounts? Lots of people who don't have photo IDs that meet the list of photo IDs

Multiple votes?
Non-citizens voting?

Without ID requirement I could waltz into any voting center and vote. Then drive a few miles down the road and vote again, just writing down whatever random name I think of.

Without something to identify yourself, what stops this?

But this doesn't happen. It doesn't happen ever. I want to say that the state of Nebraska found a case of like a dozen possible fraudulent votes in a national election. Its not a problem, period

 

[Cynar]

"A single document issued by the Government of B.C. or Canada that contains the voter’s name, photograph and residential address, such as a B.C. driver’s licence, B.C. Identification Card (BCID), or B.C. Services Card"

In BC to vote, you need the above, or you need two documents that show your full name and residential address such as a bank statement, utility bill etc.

I don't know about the US, and I can understand the hesitation against the attempts by Republicans to make it harder to certain minorities to vote. But ultimately, you always want to make sure there is no chance for voter fraud. I don't think it's a big issue in the US though.

Single document can be something from the provincial government with your name and address. Doesn't need to be a photo.

 

[slit]

People in the US don't have to show ID to vote...?
Sounds so backwards.
I'm surprised making it a requirement is even an issue.

I understand this but in Germany most people have their ID with them and it also costs you (around 28 &#8364. You can't vote on anything without ID.
I carry my ID in my pocket every day (same for gf).
You don't have to carry it with you but when you reach age of 16 you need to have an ID or passport. It's law.

How does it work though ? What prevents me from getting early at the voting booth and use your name to take your vote ? And how do you register without an ID, can't you just pretend to be anybody then, or even register multiple times ?
As a European having an official ID document for all important/official tasks seems natural, I think the issue in the US is that it isn't easy enough to have one provided, but you should be working on that.

I don't think you quite grasp the history of voter supression in the U.S. What's natural in European countries or wherever you live is irrelevant. The U.S. does not share the same history. To a lot of people it feels like a slap in the face. That may be hard to comprehend, but that's the way it is. Also, since voter fraud is such an isolated incident, we know the GOP is simply using it to stop miniorites from voting. They are completely transparent and people are getting fed up. They're trying to create an imaginary boogyman.

 

[IAmRandom31]

Don't think so but then again everybody is used to have an ID when they get 16. If you loose it, you have to get a new one. If not you have to pay a fine.

Before this thread i didn't know that NA treads this differently.
How do they check if you are the person you say you are when you vote in the US ?

And while you have to pay for it, it's really not much. It got more expensive because it's a like a chipcard now with tons of security measures on it.. Till a few years ago the ID was valid for an unlimited time. Now it's valid for 10 years. That's 23 €/ 28 € for 10 years (23 € if you are under 24).

Have to read more about this to judge both sides but while i think that voting fraud probably is not really a big issue in NA, demanding and ID to verify your identity is not totally wrong.

Well right now you need to have your personal ID and live in the county you are voting in. You are sent a voter registration card every year to fill out and such.

Democrats for some reason want to eliminate any sort of checks and balance system within our voting system. They basically want anyone to be able to walk into a voting center and vote without anyone asking who they are. My own personal thought process is they want to add the 15,000,000+ illegal immigrant vote as most of them would likely vote Democrat anyway. Which is why they push for Amnesty all the time and if they can't get amnesty then they will just let those illegals vote by not checking who they are in the first place.

Cant really think of any other serious reason why ID requirement is a bad thing. Its not, since its been a part of the system for so long.

Students who only have a photo ID from another state? Poor people who don't have bank accounts? Lots of people who don't have photo IDs that meet the list of photo IDs



But this doesn't happen. It doesn't happen ever. I want to say that the state of Nebraska found a case of like a dozen possible fraudulent votes in a national election. Its not a problem, period

As a student I was easily able to get an ID for the state I was in. You don't need a bank account to get an ID.

 

[KHarvey16]

Many people don't have ID's?

Who?

Poor people, homeless people, etc. People who usually vote democrat.

A survey in 2006 found that up to 11% of the population has no photo ID:

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/download_file_39242.pdf

Voter fraud that would be prevented by requiring photo ID is practically non-existent. It doesn't happen.

 

[Dougald]

These same "concerns" are trotted out in the UK every few years, as ID is not required to vote here either. The fact is that voter fraud is so uncommon as to not be an issue - this is a solution to a problem which does not exist

 

[The Technomancer]

As a student I was easily able to get an ID for the state I was in. You don't need a bank account to get an ID.

What kind of ID? Was it one of, say, the limited number of options allowable in Texas?

(Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
Texas concealed handgun license issued by DPS
United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph
United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
United States passport

And crucially, did it cost you any money? How long did you wait at the DMV?

 

[IAmRandom31]

Poor people, homeless people, etc. People who usually vote democrat.

A survey in 2006 found that up to 11% of the population has no photo ID:

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/download_file_39242.pdf

Voter fraud that would be prevented by requiring photo ID is practically non-existent. It doesn't happen.

From November 16-19, 2006, the independent Opinion Research Corporation conducted
a telephone survey of 987 randomly selected voting-age American citizens.1
The survey
included several questions sponsored by the Brennan Center, asking whether respondents
had readily available documentary proof of citizenship or government-issued photo
identification, and if so, whether it contained current information:

Come on now. You are going to base you entire belief system off a random selection of less then 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the population?

lord

Poor people, homeless people, etc. People who usually vote democrat.

A survey in 2006 found that up to 11% of the population has no photo ID:

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/download_file_39242.pdf

Voter fraud that would be prevented by requiring photo ID is practically non-existent. It doesn't happen.

What kind of ID? Was it one of, say, the limited number of options allowable in Texas?

And crucially, did it cost you any money? How long did you wait at the DMV?

What does the length of wait have to do with anything? I went to my school counselor when I was in college in Florida and said, " hey I need to get an ID so I can vote her in this state as my ID still shows Texas " , she directed me on where to go. I went there. Paid 20$ and was out in I dunno, maybe 45 minutes?

Its not a major ordeal to get an ID. I definitely wasn't given a credit check or had to have some bank account.

 

[The Technomancer]

Well right now you need to have your personal ID and live in the county you are voting in. You are sent a voter registration card every year to fill out and such.

Democrats for some reason want to eliminate any sort of checks and balance system within our voting system. They basically want anyone to be able to walk into a voting center and vote without anyone asking who they are. My own personal thought process is they want to add the 15,000,000+ illegal immigrant vote as most of them would likely vote Democrat anyway. Which is why they push for Amnesty all the time and if they can't get amnesty then they will just let those illegals vote by not checking who they are in the first place.

Cant really think of any other serious reason why ID requirement is a bad thing. Its not, since its been a part of the system for so long.

Democrats don't want this at all. Minnesota's system requires either pre-registration or on the spot registration with something like a utility bill and everyone seems just fine with that

 

[tokkun]

Democrats for some reason want to eliminate any sort of checks and balance system within our voting system. They basically want anyone to be able to walk into a voting center and vote without anyone asking who they are.

Dead wrong. You have always had to identify yourself to vote in Wisconsin. The debate here is whether your means of identification has to include a photo ID.

 

[numble]

Many people don't have ID's?

Who?

People that don't need to drive. And when people move, they usually don't bother to update the address on their ID. I've lived in multiple states for months at a time, becoming eligible to vote in 4-5 states besides my home state, but I never bothered to get a state ID since I can still drive on the basis of my home state ID. I don't think they would've accepted a different state's ID for voting if there were voter ID requirements.

Multiple votes?
Non-citizens voting?

Without ID requirement I could waltz into any voting center and vote. Then drive a few miles down the road and vote again, just writing down whatever random name I think of.

Without something to identify yourself, what stops this?

A state ID does not say that you are a citizen or not, or if you've had your right to vote stripped via the courts (as some states do to felons).

Where do you live? I don't think they let people write down random names to vote.

 

[Donos]

I don't think you quite grasp the history of voter supression in the U.S. What's natural in European countries or wherever you live is irrelevant. The U.S. does not share the same history. To a lot of people it feels like a slap in the face. That may be hard to comprehend, but that's the way it is. Also, since voter fraud is such an isolated incident, we know the GOP is simply using it to stop miniorites from voting. They are completely transparent and people are getting fed up.

Sorry, that was just new to me and in no way i meant to give the impression of "lulz no ID? stupid country".

 

[Dougald]

Come on now. You are going to base you entire belief system off a random selection of less then 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the population?

lord

I for one only trust surveys which asked every single person in the country

 

[IAmRandom31]

Dead wrong. You have always had to identify yourself to vote in Wisconsin. The debate here is whether your means of identification has to include a photo ID.

Without an ID though how to you truthfully identify yourself?

How does the person checking me in know that I am who I say I am?
How do they know I'm not just making some name up and voting for the 15th time that day?

 

[Konka]

I for one only trust surveys which asked every single person in the country

Yeah. Well duh. That's why Romney knew he was going to win. Those silly polls that only asked ~1,000 people were totally wrong!

Without an ID though how to you truthfully identify yourself?

It's not an issue. You also get a voter registration card when you register to vote.

 

[sangreal]

Where do you live? I don't think they let people write down random names to vote.

not unless you want your vote thrown in the trash provisional ballot pile

 

[KHarvey16]

Come on now. You are going to base you entire belief system off a random selection of less then 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the population?

lord

I should have realized statistics would be too much to ask of you to understand given the reasoning you've displayed so far.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[The Technomancer]

What does the length of wait have to do with anything? I went to my school counselor when I was in college in Florida and said, " hey I need to get an ID so I can vote her in this state as my ID still shows Texas " , she directed me on where to go. I went there. Paid 20$ and was out in I dunno, maybe 45 minutes?

Its not a major ordeal to get an ID. I definitely wasn't given a credit check or had to have some bank account.

Getting my drivers license was a two and a half hour wait at the DMV (not to take the test, just to fill out the paperwork and get the card). That was fine because I was a student with time to burn, but the DMV in my hometown was open like Monday through Wednesday 10-3. If I had had a job and needed to get that ID, I would have had to take a day off of work, or at least the morning. That would have been money out of my pocket. And that would have maybe led me to say "getting an ID to vote isn't worth it"

 

[ActuallyHulk]

Do people really find it that hard to get an ID? I got mine in under 5 minutes and it cost like 10 bucks. People are making it sound like it's like going through early 1900s immigration. Of course here in Missouri the DMV is privatized so people are in and out real fast. I remember the days before it was though and it took hours upon hours so that may have something to do with it.

 

[sangreal]

Do people really find it that hard to get an ID? I got mine in under 5 minutes and it cost like 10 bucks. People are making it sound like it's like going through early 1900s immigration. Of course here in Missouri the DMV is privatized so people are in and out real fast. I remember the days before it was though and it took hours upon hours so that may have something to do with it.

Do you really not see an issue with charging $10 (ignoring associated costs/barriers like having to get a copy of your birth cert. btw) to vote?

Unlike in-person voter fraud this is a real, not hypothetical problem. Actual people are being denied their voting rights due to this. Read the story of the plaintiff in this case: http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...consin-new-voter-id-law-woman-denied-right-87

I left the DMV and thought, “It just isn’t right.” I felt so downtrodden. As handicapped as I’ve been my whole life, as old as I am, it just felt like I wasn’t as good as anyone else.

I did try to get a birth certificate after that. Eventually, they told me I could get one, but I’d have to pay anything from $20-$200, since there was a mistake with my name that had to be corrected. That’s a lot of money! I’m so old now, what am I going to do with a $200 birth certificate? Hang it on the wall?

No one should have to pay a fee to be able to vote.

 

[IAmRandom31]

I should have realized statistics would be too much to ask of you to understand given the reasoning you've displayed so far.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

people like you are the reason civilized debates are so hard to come across these days.

basing your entire life around surveys that interview 1000 people out of 120,000,000 adults is a little odd in my opinion.

Do you really not see an issue with charging $10 (ignoring associated costs like having to get a copy of your birth cert. btw) to vote?

I agree with this. Make it free to register to vote.

But of course you need means to identify yourself. So you either have to have your registration card or your license on hand. How it has always been really.

 

[Paskil]

Getting my drivers license was a two and a half hour wait at the DMV (not to take the test, just to fill out the paperwork and get the card). That was fine because I was a student with time to burn, but the DMV in my hometown was open like Monday through Wednesday 10-3. If I had had a job and needed to get that ID, I would have had to take a day off of work, or at least the morning. That would have been money out of my pocket. And that would have maybe led me to say "getting an ID to vote isn't worth it"

And imagine you're a single parent with two kids, working a minimum wage job. It's easier just to say "fuck it" and not vote than it is to not eat for a day because you have to take off. Some people have to travel 50+ miles to their nearest DMV with no real public transportation access. It is literally a way to get people to stop voting because it is simply not worth the time and the effort for low income people to take the time and money to get an ID.

It amounts to a poll tax.

Make it so the person doesn't need to take any time out of their day and can do the entire process online/mail/phone and I have no problem with voter ID.

people like you are the reason civilized debates are so hard to come across these days.

basing your entire life around surveys that interview 1000 people out of 120,000,000 adults is a little odd in my opinion.

But yet, Nate Silver accurately predicted every single state in the last presidential election, based on these miniscule samples. Hmm, statistics. Whodathunkit.

 

[The Technomancer]

Do people really find it that hard to get an ID? I got mine in under 5 minutes and it cost like 10 bucks. People are making it sound like it's like going through early 1900s immigration. Of course here in Missouri the DMV is privatized so people are in and out real fast. I remember the days before it was though and it took hours upon hours so that may have something to do with it.

Make IDs free

Make DMVs stay open past whatever arbitrary slivers of working hours they are

Then we'll talk

Except voter fraud still won't be a problem

 

[tokkun]

Without an ID though how to you truthfully identify yourself?

How does the person checking me in know that I am who I say I am?
How do they know I'm not just making some name up and voting for the 15th time that day?

If you have never voted at that polling place, you need to register. That involves supplying some evidence of your identity and place of residence, like a current utility bill or a pay stub from your employer. This identification does not need to include a photo.

If you have already registered at that polling place, you just need to supply some personal information that matches what is in the registry. Full name, full address, etc. When you vote, this information is recorded.

If the state wants to audit the voting records for fraud, they would just need to check whether someone with the name provided actually lives at the address provided.

 

[Konka]

people like you are the reason civilized debates are so hard to come across these days.

basing your entire life around surveys that interview 1000 people out of 120,000,000 adults is a little odd in my opinion.



I agree with this. Make it free to register to vote.

If you had any grasp of statistics and any poll or survey ever conducted on this planet is conducted you'd realize how ridiculous you sound.

 

[IAmRandom31]

If you have never voted at that polling place, you need to register. That involves supplying some evidence of your identity and place of residence, like a current utility bill or a pay stub from your employer. This identification does not need to include a photo.

If you have already registered at that polling place, you just need to supply some personal information that matches what is in the registry. Full name, full address, etc. When you vote, this information is recorded.

If the state wants to audit the voting records for fraud, they would just need to check whether someone with the name provided actually lives at the address provided.

Well thats perfectly fine then.

If you had any grasp of statistics and any poll or survey ever conducted on this planet is conducted you'd realize how ridiculous you sound.

I'll give you that, but taking polls as biblical fact is ridiculous to me. Yeah if the same survey is done 1000 times and you end up with a flow of how the results are coming, then its more believable. But one poll about a pretty specific topic? Nope.

I'm fine with say the presidential polls and such ( which are still wrong most of the time ), because it is a weekly or even daily thing and you end up with this massive number of people polled. But little polls, nah, i don't pay attention to them much at all.

 

[slit]

Do people really find it that hard to get an ID? I got mine in under 5 minutes and it cost like 10 bucks. People are making it sound like it's like going through early 1900s immigration. Of course here in Missouri the DMV is privatized so people are in and out real fast. I remember the days before it was though and it took hours upon hours so that may have something to do with it.

You know I understand why someone from Germany or Japan wouldn't understand this, but for an American it's really inexcusable.

You really don't understand the issue here?

 

[The Technomancer]

Well thats perfectly fine then.

YES. This is how it works in most places!

 

[Stinkles]

basing your entire life around surveys that interview 1000 people out of 120,000,000 adults is a little odd in my opinion.


.

Consider me a friendly stranger telling you that you have toilet paper stuck to your shoe. You're embarrassing yourself on this point and have zero foundation to continue this avenue of debate. Don't.

 

[tokkun]

YES. This is how it works in most places!

More specifically, it's how it works in Wisconsin, the state in question in this ruling.

 

[slit]

people like you are the reason civilized debates are so hard to come across these days.

basing your entire life around surveys that interview 1000 people out of 120,000,000 adults is a little odd in my opinion.

Translation: You trapped me in a corner with logic and now I'm going to blame you for making me look stupid.

 

[IAmRandom31]

YES. This is how it works in most places!

Its fine because there is a check and a balance in place to make sure you are who you say you are. You have various things confirming your identity.

It is still a little iffy to me though. Like I mean what if you are using a fake name at the place you live and then use that utility bill to get in to vote? So still some holes in that system.

They should just make it very easy to get a photo ID pretty much. A Photo ID is the 100% guaranteed way to know if someone is who they say they are. Just eliminate some of the hurdles like time and costs and your good.

Consider me a friendly stranger telling you that you have toilet paper stuck to your shoe. You're embarrassing yourself on this point and have zero foundation to continue this avenue of debate. Don't.

Translation: You trapped me in a corner with logic and now I'm going to blame you for making me look stupid.

Hmmm, I will need enlightenment here I think. I actually find it pretty odd that people like yourselves would allow your opinions to be swayed so easily. Some dude randomly grabs 1000 people out of everyone in this country and asks them questions and you then agree that everyone thinks the way those 1000 think?

 

[KHarvey16]

people like you are the reason civilized debates are so hard to come across these days.

basing your entire life around surveys that interview 1000 people out of 120,000,000 adults is a little odd in my opinion.

I can see why empirical data wouldn't be your favorite, given its tendency to contradict your viewpoint.

Many people do not have ID. Requiring an ID to vote solves no problem whatsoever. Issuing free IDs would cost tax payer money. The math says it would be stupid to do this.

 

[The Technomancer]

Its fine because there is a check and a balance in place to make sure you are who you say you are. You have various things confirming your identity.

It is still a little iffy to me though. Like I mean what if you are using a fake name at the place you live and then use that utility bill to get in to vote? So still some holes in that system.

They should just make it very easy to get a photo ID pretty much. A Photo ID is the 100% guaranteed way to know if someone is who they say they are. Just eliminate some of the hurdles like time and costs and your good.

To stop what? Voter fraud isn't happening. This is like wearing a bicycle helmet everywhere you go just in case you slip and hit your head

 

[numble]

I'll give you that, but taking polls as biblical fact is ridiculous to me. Yeah if the same survey is done 1000 times and you end up with a flow of how the results are coming, then its more believable. But one poll about a pretty specific topic? Nope.

I'm fine with say the presidential polls and such ( which are still wrong most of the time ), because it is a weekly or even daily thing and you end up with this massive number of people polled. But little polls, nah, i don't pay attention to them much at all.

Congratulations, there are multiple polls about ownership of valid ID.

 

[Konka]

I can see why empirical data wouldn't be your favorite, given its tendency to contradict your viewpoint.

Many people do not have ID. Requiring an ID to vote solves no problem whatsoever. Issuing free IDs would cost tax payer money. The math says it would be stupid to do this.