My coworker might get fired for a racist comment.

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Made her own bed, dug her own grave, signed her own slip, shot her own foot, picked out her own casket, etc. etc.
 
Ferrio said:
Then you let her off on a warning.
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If someone doesn't know that racism in the workplace carries a zero tolerance policy at most jobs then, really, they're a fucking idiot by 2014 standards.

A warning would be a waste of time. Send her packing.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
That's terrible management.
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You're telling me everyone gets fired the first time they fuck up? What she said was wrong, but she wasn't directing it at anyone at the company or customers. I understand the idea you want to curb this behavior, but instantly sacking someone like this without a warning will only punish her family and just make her more resentful. Give her a warning, give her sensitivity training, try to fix the root of the problem instead of just sweeping it under the rug.
 
Well, however fucked her opinion is, she has a right to it. Voicing it at work is a problem. I think she should get the sensitivity training that HR will throw at her and a warning. But the next time that comes up, it becomes "hostile work environment" then get her out of there. Unless she does that in front of a client or custom, then one strike and she is gone.
 
I would imagine in a situation like this a employee with a good record would get a warning and maybe some HR sensitivity training. If she is someone that already sucked they would just can her.
 
Good, there's no place for racist people in the workforce. I also question her mothering skills if she seem to think that she has any says who her daughter dates.

speculawyer said:
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Who says something like that in 2014?
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Ignorant people trapped in their own bubble.
 
Ferrio said:
You're telling me everyone gets fired the first time they fuck up? What she said was wrong, but she wasn't directing it at anyone at the company or customers. I understand the idea you want to curb this behavior, but instantly sacking someone like this without a warning will only punish her family and just make her more resentful.
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This is nobody's problem but hers.
 
Ferrio said:
You're telling me everyone gets fired the first time they fuck up?
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Not all fuck-ups are equal, first time or not.

And if I'm managing a company, her well-being is obviously important, but not as important as the well-being of the company I'm trying to manage. My job is literally not about her. Her fuck-up is a huge one. And it's HERS to own. Keeping her around is a net negative - she would have to be one of the most productive people in the entire company to even CONSIDER keeping her around, and even then, it might not be worth the general sense of resentment if I'm seen to be the kind of person who lets that sort of repugnant shit go.

Plus let's not even factor in the possibility that other people could SUE MY ASS for contributing to a hurtful, racist atmosphere by letting her continue to come to work and draw a check.

Late to work? Warning. No-call no-show? Maybe a warning, maybe a suspension. Stole something? You're out. Sexually harassed someone? You're out. Proudly proclaimed to two co-workers that you'd never let blacks or jews marry your daughter, and then got indignant when confronted? Get the fuck out.
 
Ferrio said:
You're telling me everyone gets fired the first time they fuck up?
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When the fuck up in question could easily result in a lawsuit that could cripple the company, putting everyone who works there in jeopardy? Yeah, that's usually how you play it.

Quick question, have you ever had any direct reports?
 
RustyNails said:
Me and R stare at each other with our eyes widened and mouh agape for a good 10 seconds.
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If you weren't being hyperbolic I find this more strange than her actions. :P

But she definitely deserves to be fired. Even if she can't see what she's doing is wrong, it could negatively impact your workplace and if she just got reprimanded she would hold a grudge against you and your coworker.
 
Ferrio said:
You're telling me everyone gets fired the first time they fuck up? What she said was wrong, but she wasn't directing it at anyone at the company or customers. I understand the idea you want to curb this behavior, but instantly sacking someone like this without a warning will only punish her family and just make her more resentful. Give her a warning, give her sensitivity training, try to fix the root of the problem instead of just sweeping it under the rug.
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Firing her is the opposite of sweepong it under the rug. Keeping a liability risk around is bad business.
 
Dude Abides said:
Firing her is the opposite of sweepong it under the rug. Keeping a liability risk around is bad business.
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I was more referring to it as an overall social issue being swept away. But I guess if the issue is the fear of lawsuit and not the actual racism itself... then fire away.
 
My cousin once told me that the best way to get back at a racist parent was to fuck their offspring.

Turns out his drunk words were right, seems like she doesn't like that one bit.
 
Ferrio said:
I was more referring to it as an overall social issue being swept away. But I guess if the issue is the fear of lawsuit and not the actual racism itself... then fire away.
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It's not the company's job to make her a decent person.
 
Ferrio said:
I was more referring to it as an overall social issue being swept away. But I guess if the issue is the fear of lawsuit and not the actual racism itself... then fire away.
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I don't think OP's employer sees its businesses goal as eradicating racism throughout society.
 
Ferrio said:
You're telling me everyone gets fired the first time they fuck up? What she said was wrong, but she wasn't directing it at anyone at the company or customers. I understand the idea you want to curb this behavior, but instantly sacking someone like this without a warning will only punish her family and just make her more resentful. Give her a warning, give her sensitivity training, try to fix the root of the problem instead of just sweeping it under the rug.
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Understand how this will affect the atmosphere of the workplace, when it disseminates to all of the non-white employees. What business wants that tension in the air?

You fire her to make a statement.
 
Question: Do people generally hate L? I've seen people fired for far less offensive stuff than that joke because they were hated and get away with way worse because they were well liked.
 
speculawyer said:
Who says something like that in 2014?
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I dunno, a lot of older people?

Inter-racial marriage acceptance is really only recently gaining popular acceptance.

This article has some data:

http://diverseeducation.com/article/60328/

Not surprisingly, support for interracial marriage is much higher among younger people under 30 and less idealistic among people over 65 years old. The poll showed the following results: overall, national adults (87 percent approval rate); 18- to 29-year-olds (96 percent); 30- to 49-year-olds (93 percent); 50- to 64-year-olds (84 percent); 65 years and older (70 percent).
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It's not really a surprise to find someone in their 50's still holding onto those old ideals.

Younger people tend to forget what the older generation grew up with, we take for granted the things we have now.

It's not to excuse her, having the ideal and spouting it at work are different things.. but it's not at all surprising to find someone who thinks this way.. and even easier if they are older.
 
At Chrysler, a long time ago, my uncles had a noose each hanging up for them. My second uncle wouldn't stand for it, but he's the type that speaks his mind. The first (his older brother) is a bit submissive and dealt with it for years before the other showed up. People are mean.
 
She should have said "And no Mexicans" to make the perfect racist trifecta!

I feel sorry for her seriously, so oblivious and ignorant.
 
How long did L work in your workplace, OP? Sometimes I wonder if these kind of people slip months or years into their employment or if it was just a matter of them never getting caught by the wrong person.
 
K.Jack said:
Understand how this will affect the atmosphere of the workplace, when it disseminates to all of the non-white employees. What business wants that tension in the air?

You fire her to make a statement.
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To make a statement? What company have you worked for announces why someone is fired?
 
RustyNails said:
Now R is an indirect manager. He gets up and excuses himself out and informs the higher ups.
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Kind of funny how he just immediately runs to his boss after hearing someone say something racist.

It's not that urgent, I'd just bring it up when there's an opportunity.
 
She should be warned to keep her racist thoughts to herself. If it effects her job performance, she should be fired (Doesn't want to work with/address black and jewish customers and coworkers.)

Telling people that they can't be shitty assholes in private is thought-policing.
 
DreamDrop said:
Wait. Is this about incest?
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I don't know why this made me laugh so hard.

SparkPeople said:
She should be warned to keep her racist thoughts to herself. If it effects her job performance, she should be fired (Doesn't want to work with/address black and jewish customers and coworkers.)

Telling people that they can't be shitty assholes in private is thought-policing.
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Nothing you say out loud to your coworkers is "private".
 
Ferrio said:
To make a statement? What company have you worked for announces why someone is fired?
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I didn't say anything about literally announcing it. Just that you fire her to show that racism is a zero tolerance issue.

I've worked in a business (professional kitchen) where getting fired on the spot for foolishness is an every day thing. It's just "bye, idiot", so it doesn't phase me when it happens.

No sensitivity training will change her mind.
 
Ferrio said:
Lots. Unless you're telling me you know everyone in the company? Even if you do, it's not announced why.
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You mean to tell me that there is a company where someone stops showing up and not one single person questions it?

Is it Veridian Dynamics?
 
DreamDrop said:
You mean to tell me that there is a company where someone stops showing up and not one single person questions it?

Is it Veridian Dynamics?
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They can question it, but the company isn't going to say shit on the matter. I've seen plenty of coworkers go, and no idea why they were fired. So if they were trying to make a statement, it's not a very effective way in relaying it.
 
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