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[FZZ]

This comment represents the problem of America for me. Angry, pessimistic quitters who have no patience to do anything more than punish, not realizing this very attitude is the cause of the country's darkness.

10 year olds barely even have a sense of self, let alone the true magnitude of ending a life or believing they are even capable of it in a scenario such as this one. He had no idea what he was doing. He was fucking 10.

You're calling me an angry, pessimistic quitter with no patience who only wants punishment for stating that the kid should be tried as an adult?

Okay.

Either you're downplaying ten year old children and making them seem like vacuous bodies that know nothing or you have no clue what you're talking about. At the age of ten I'd presume most people have a general understanding of life and death. What it means to be living and what it means to take that away. The manner in which this kid killed his grandmother was brutal, on top of the fact that he admittedly lied to his grandfather about harming her should also point to the fact the kid understood what he was doing. My response was based off the article presented and only that, I didn't want to infer anything beyond it because I do not know what else happened. A lot of other posters are also very quick to point out he could be a victim of abuse, I am not going to refute that because that very well may be a possibility but my reply is simply just based off the information in the article. There is a reason why I didn't say "lock him up forever." I said to try him as an adult because he knew what he was doing. He IS fucking 10.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

20 year old guy has sex with 17 year old girlfriend. "She is not mature enough to know what she is doing when giving consent. Send that damn pedo into jail. He'd better keep a firm grip on that soap."

10 year old kills a relative. "The monster knew just what he was doing. Let him rot in prison for 20 years."

I guess some people just want to lock others up.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

Dave Chappelle - How Old Is 15 Really?: http://youtu.be/t5ZxdSXTLx8

Since this thread is a joke already, we need better jokes.

A 10 year old can understand life and death in the same way they understand sex. They know it happens but don't have a full understanding. Do we really believe he hit the lady to try and kill her? That's just ridiculous.

And where do you imprison a 10 year old? Adult jail?

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

At risk of this image being used in suspect ways, I'll post the murderous bastard who should know the consequences of his actions.

 

[hodgy100]

Jesus christ that's awful. kid shouldn't be tried as an adult though. He will come out of prison and be worse. sticking ak id in prison doesn't help rehabilitate him surely :/

 

[grumble]

Seriously? Trying a ten year old as an adult? That is a farce. The ten year old clearly isn't an adult and this is a blatant failure of the justice system.

What should happen is no one should ever be tried as an adult unless they are say 16 or older.

 

[Sch1sm]

Maybe throw that kid in an anger management class, but trying him as an adult is excessive.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

That kid needs help. Not prison. Reading the replies about locking him up forever or treating him as an adult has me almost as disturbed about as i am with what happened to the grandmother.

 

[Monocle]

Seriously grotesque ignorance from some of you in here. If you're OK with condemning a child you know next to nothing about for a crime whose context is unclear apart from a sketchy picture of the immediate event, please don't make any personal or professional decisions that have the slightest chance of affecting another human being, because your judgment is dangerously compromised.

I am honestly disgusted right now. Humans turn into fucking animals when we need to gratify our primitive drive for vengeance. Bye-bye empathy and rational thinking. Throw the kid to the lions because he's a Bad Person who did a Bad Thing.

 

[Easy_D]

Fucking monster. Cases like these are what the death penalty is for.
/s

But seriously, that kid needs to go to a mental institution and get the help he needs to be a functional member of society.

 

[grumble]

You're calling me an angry, pessimistic quitter with no patience who only wants punishment for stating that the kid should be tried as an adult?

Okay.

Either you're downplaying ten year old children and making them seem like vacuous bodies that know nothing or you have no clue what you're talking about. At the age of ten I'd presume most people have a general understanding of life and death. What it means to be living and what it means to take that away. The manner in which this kid killed his grandmother was brutal, on top of the fact that he admittedly lied to his grandfather about harming her should also point to the fact the kid understood what he was doing. My response was based off the article presented and only that, I didn't want to infer anything beyond it because I do not know what else happened. A lot of other posters are also very quick to point out he could be a victim of abuse, I am not going to refute that because that very well may be a possibility but my reply is simply just based off the information in the article. There is a reason why I didn't say "lock him up forever." I said to try him as an adult because he knew what he was doing. He IS fucking 10.

Do you know any ten year olds? Your points are comical, though it's also incredibly sad that someone actually thinks this way. Ten year olds are not remotely mature or developed enough to understand what is happening.

It's just an aggressive kid who didn't know what he was doing, and the only reason this ended badly is due to the extreme frailty of the 90 year old.

What age should children not be tried as adults? Eight? Six? Should we throw everyone who kills someone in prison regardless of age?

 

[Khaos_Knight]

What's good about that? The kid is only 10 years old. He shouldn't have to spend the rest of his life behind bars because of something he did when he was 10.

I'm not saying that this is good but this isn't just "something" he did, he purposely killed a person. When I was 10 I had a short temper but even then I knew that killing someone was beyond excessive. Most serial killers start with animals but this kid skipped all that and went straight for the big game. This kid is defective and he's only going to get worse as he gets older. The rest of society wont be safe with someone like him roaming around freely.

 

[sixteen-bit]

 

[Phil S.]

Seriously grotesque ignorance from some of you in here. If you're OK with condemning a child you know next to nothing about for a crime whose context is unclear apart from a sketchy picture of the immediate event, please don't make any personal or professional decisions that have the slightest chance of affecting another human being, because your judgment is dangerously compromised.

I am honestly disgusted right now. Humans turn into fucking animals when we need to gratify our primitive drive for vengeance. Bye-bye empathy and rational thinking. Throw the kid to the lions because he's a Bad Person who did a Bad Thing.

This pretty much says all I wanted to regarding both the incident and the alarming majority response on this site of all places...

 

[Triggerhappytel]

What kind of environment can he possibly live in where this kind of behaviour is acceptable?! I mean, I don't agree charging him as an adult nor for murder, but he obviously needs a lot of help with his aggressive outbursts and mental well-being. This is a fucked up scenario with no clear right or wrong course of action.

 

[Monocle]

I'm not saying that this is good but this isn't just "something" he did, he purposely killed a person. When I was 10 I had a short temper but even then I knew that killing someone was beyond excessive. Most serial killers start with animals but this kid skipped all that and went straight for the big game. This kid is defective and he's only going to get worse as he gets older. The rest of society wont be safe with someone like him roaming around freely.

That's a nice string of assumptions you've stacked up there.

Fundamentally broken kid -> is a natural born killer -> intentionally killed Grandma -> is a clear and present danger to others -> will get even more dangerous the longer he's free -> must be imprisoned.

 

[MechaX]

I personally don't think that this child should be charged as an adult, let alone with murder (especially since it seems like this was out of anger rather than with any kind of intent for murder). Keep in mind though, I do not necessarily think there should be a blanket rule about this; it depends on the circumstances and the child in question (as there are some children in that age group who are more mature than average and definitely know what is right or wrong).

With that said, he needs to be in a mental institution or the juvenile system for a long time, but for rehabilitation and also to emphasize what it exactly means to be involved in taking a life.

 

[Lollipop Dave]

Holding a cane to someones throat and then punching them is more than a fit of rage. He deserves what he gets.

 

[Wiktor]

What's good about that? The kid is only 10 years old. He shouldn't have to spend the rest of his life behind bars because of something he did when he was 10.

Sure he should, as long as it's determined that he was understanding the consequences his action could have. But this is for the court to decide and it's impossible to tell by article alone

 

[Psychological Intellect]

Holding a cane to someones throat and then punching them is more than a fit of rage. He deserves what he gets.

Yes, It is more than rage.there's something wrong with this kid. He deserves help.

 

[Wiktor]

Seriously grotesque ignorance from some of you in here. If you're OK with condemning a child you know next to nothing about for a crime whose context is unclear apart from a sketchy picture of the immediate event, please don't make any personal or professional decisions that have the slightest chance of affecting another human being, because your judgment is dangerously compromised.

I am honestly disgusted right now. Humans turn into fucking animals when we need to gratify our primitive drive for vengeance. Bye-bye empathy and rational thinking. Throw the kid to the lions because he's a Bad Person who did a Bad Thing.

Well..it's about as ignorant as people who claim he shouldn't be charged as adult

 

[hodgy100]

Holding a cane to someones throat and then punching them is more than a fit of rage. He deserves what he gets.

it is more than a fit of rage, but are we going to attempt to find out what went wrong and why this occurred and then take the appropriate action. or are we going to throw him in prison?

Well..it's about as ignorant as people who claim he shouldn't be charged as adult

how is it ignorant?

 

[cyberheater]

What in the world.

I've got a 10 year son and he wouldn't dream of doing anything like this. Not even close. That kid sounds like he's violent and out of control.

And no. He shouldn't be tried like an adult. He's a kid.

 

[double jump]

this is ridiculous and sad on all levels.
wasting another life by charging the kid as an adult is sick.

Dave Chappelle - How Old Is 15 Really?: http://youtu.be/t5ZxdSXTLx8

Since this thread is a joke already, we need better jokes.

A 10 year old can understand life and death in the same way understand sex. They know it happens but don't have a full understanding. Do we really believe he hit the lady to try and kill her? That's just ridiculous.

perfect post. I want to say something similar but couldn't find the words.

 

[FZZ]

What age should children not be tried as adults? Eight? Six? Should we throw everyone who kills someone in prison regardless of age?

Adding an arbitrary age is no better for dictating how old a person must be before they can be tried as an adult. All people develop differently, exempting a certain person simply because of age and what we presume they know makes no sense because there is no one size fits all solution to cases like these. They're complicated and have multiple factors to them. Obviously if you go lower and lower most children don't understand the consequences of their actions because they're not fully developed or matured for whatever the case may be, but read the fucking article.

The boy admitted to grabbing a wooden cane, holding it against 90-year-old Helen Novak's throat for several seconds and punching her in the throat and stomach

He knew what he was doing. This isn't a case of fucking being mature enough to understand because you're knowingly hurting another person and then you lie about it to your grandfather because you know you might get in trouble.

Do you know any ten year olds? Your points are comical, though it's also incredibly sad that someone actually thinks this way. Ten year olds are not remotely mature or developed enough to understand what is happening.

It's just an aggressive kid who didn't know what he was doing, and the only reason this ended badly is due to the extreme frailty of the 90 year old.

I do know ten year olds and they're quite smart for their age. Some don't understand certain social cues, but a majority know right from wrong. I don't even know why I need to state that as if it somehow validates my argument more.

For some reason people automatically assume being tried as an adult results to them being locked in jail. They can still receive mental rehabilitation in opposition to jail time or juvey after a full investigation is done.

Jesus. I did not say anything about locking him up, only trying him as an adult because he knew what he was doing from the information presented in the article. If certain posters want to dismiss the info entirely then by all means go ahead.

Anyways that's all I have to say in regard to this article and thread until more info comes out.

 

[Gattsu25]

This kid needs help, not jail time.

He's 10 FFS.

 

[mellz]

some of the people in this thread wtf :/

 

[Ol No Bones]

Everyone thinks justice should just be therapeutic. Some people need to be locked up because they did something that deserves that punishment.

 

[impetuous_silly]

I don't think the kid should go to prison. The death sentence seems more appropriate.

 

[Dead Man]

Want to charge him as an adult? Let him vote (until guilty) and drink then. Better get him some driving lessons too.

 

[Rich!]

Want to charge him as an adult? Let him vote (until guilty) and drink then. Better get him some driving lessons too.

And allow him to have sex too. Because of course, a ten year old would have a full understanding of all that.

 

[Dead Man]

And allow him to have sex too.

Yeah, that too.

 

[Interfectum]

This is one of those cases where it's hard to put the blame on anyone.

How about the little psychopath that strangled and beat his grandma?

 

[hodgy100]

Everyone thinks justice should just be therapeutic. Some people need to be locked up because they did something that deserves that punishment.

no they don't. People in this thread believe that a 10 year old's life shouldn't be ruined because of this. if you stick a 10 year old in prison for 10 -20 years, he will be 20-30 when he comes out, he will be completely unable to function in modern society because of the shear ammount of time spent in the prison system. they don't know how real life works. The now adult will probably really stuggle with life when they come out which could cause them to turn to crime. Sticking a kid like this in prison will possibly create a future criminal instead of attempting to make this person a productive member of society.

How about the little psychopath that strangled and beat his grandma?

but you can't completely blame the kid, children aren't born evil, he is a product of his upbringing. now whether its due to abuse or mental illness is yet to be seen. but this perception that a person can be inherently evil is incorrect.

And allow him to have sex too. Because of course, a ten year old would have a full understanding of all that.

heck, I knew what sex was at 10/ therefore i can understand all its implications!

 

[Kinitari]

Oh man. I know killing anyone is bad, but I think the justice system should help any and everyone as best they can - the goal should always be the betterment of society, including the betterment of the criminal.

Further... a 10 year old getting any severe punishment is crazy. I doubt he's even going to juvi.

 

[Coriolanus]

Everyone thinks justice should just be therapeutic. Some people need to be locked up because they did something that deserves that punishment.

Given how prisons operate in most of the world, that is clearly not the case.

 

[Daweex]

I'm not saying that this is good but this isn't just "something" he did, he purposely killed a person. When I was 10 I had a short temper but even then I knew that killing someone was beyond excessive. Most serial killers start with animals but this kid skipped all that and went straight for the big game. This kid is defective and he's only going to get worse as he gets older. The rest of society wont be safe with someone like him roaming around freely.

When something is ''defective'', you try to fix it before throwing it away.
Locking the kid up will just make him worse and likely turn him into a serial killer like you said, while sending him to mental institution will give him a chance to turn his life around and become a normal human being.
Is it too hard to understand this?

 

[wildfire]

I'm not saying that this is good but this isn't just "something" he did, he purposely killed a person. .

What part of grandma refusing medical service do you not understand?

 

[Nexus Zero]

I don't understand how stupid most of you think 10 year olds are. Sure, they're not all there like an adult is, but it's entirely possible to see when someone is already a sociopath. It's not really something people get "better" from - sociopath's barely register as human. It would take technology far beyond counciling to fix them. Until it exists, throw them in a box.

 

[Rich!]

I don't understand how stupid most of you think 10 year olds are. Sure, they're not all there like an adult is, but it's entirely possible to see when someone is a sociopath. It's not really something people get "better" from - sociopath's barely register as human. It would take technology far beyond counciling to fix them. Until it exists, throw them in a box.

jesus fucking christ

I weep for humanity.

 

[hodgy100]

I don't understand how stupid most of you think 10 year olds are. Sure, they're not all there like an adult is, but it's entirely possible to see when someone is a sociopath. It's not really something people get "better" from - sociopath's barely register as human. It would take technology far beyond counciling to fix them. Until it exists, throw them in a box.

and here it is. People with mental illnesses belong in prison guys!

 

[Nexus Zero]

jesus fucking christ

I weep for humanity

Have you ready anything about sociopaths? They can't be trusted, they can't be helped. They are inherently dangerous to society. We're not talking about your average mental health problem here.

 

[More_Badass]

Disturbed by this thread on multiple levels.

Same

What the fuck, people? I'm seriously disturbed by the people who want to lock a 10 year old in jail for life.

From Wikipedia

There are several differences between juvenile court and criminal court in the United States. One of the most significant differences is the intent of the two systems; the focus of the juvenile justice system is on rehabilitation and future reintegration, while the goal of the criminal justice system is punishment and deterrence of future crime. In juvenile court rulings, decisions often take psychosocial factors into account along with current offense severity and the youth’s offense history. In contrast, in criminal proceedings, the severity of the offense and criminal history weigh most heavily in sentencing outcome. Upon release, those who pass through the juvenile justice system receive parole-like surveillance along with reintegration programs, reflecting the belief that juvenile behavior can be changed. Those released from prison receive surveillance which serves to monitor and report illegal behavior.

Rehabilitation, working towards future reintegration, mental and emotional help, is what this child needs, not being thrown in fucking jail for the rest of his life

 

[Rich!]

Have you ready anything about sociopaths? They can't be trusted, they can't be helped. They are inherently dangerous to society. We're not talking about your average mental health problem here.

I have had far more experience than you with people of that nature, I can assure you. And they can all be helped, even if just a little bit.

Maybe you should try spending a few months in a psychiatric hospital. I did as this thread proves, and now I volunteer there to try and help those there who feel like they have absolutely no hope, just like I felt in August/September. But actually fuck that, lets just throw them all in prison. That'll teach em.

 

[Sorcerer]

I thought children's identities were supposed to be protected?

Here we have a name and a picture.

 

[Daweex]

I don't understand how stupid most of you think 10 year olds are. Sure, they're not all there like an adult is, but it's entirely possible to see when someone is already a sociopath. It's not really something people get "better" from - sociopath's barely register as human. It would take technology far beyond counciling to fix them. Until it exists, throw them in a box.

I just like how people with zero knowledge on this matters say shit like this.
And I like how you called him a ''sociopath'' with no diagnosis.

 

[Nexus Zero]

I have had far more experience than you, I can assure you.

Maybe you should try spending a few months in a psychiatric hospital. I did, and now I volunteer there to try and help those there who feel like they have absolutely no hope, just like I did in August/September. But actually fuck that, lets just throw them all in prison. That'll teach em.

Then please educate me - because from the little I know (and it is little) from two psychologist friends, sociopaths cannot be cured or frankly trusted.

And I like how you called him a ''sociopath'' with no diagnosis.

Hold on treacle, I should have specified I don't have a fucking clue about this kid. Maybe he felt awful - maybe he really did lose it and this kid needs anger management and nothing more. I am talking about children/teenagers/adults who are actually diagonsed to be sociopaths by a professional. I don't know jack about this kid.

 

[Coriolanus]

Have you ready anything about sociopaths? They can't be trusted, they can't be helped. They are inherently dangerous to society. We're not talking about your average mental health problem here.

By all means, link us to your sources so that we all might educate ourselves.

I thought children's identities were supposed to be protected?

Here we have a name and a picture.

"Adult". Whatever may happen, his life is already ruined.

 

[Ol No Bones]

People need to decide on an age where people are to be held accountable then. Is it 13 or 14? 15 or 16? If I had decided to kill someone when I was 10 I would have known exactly what I was doing.

 

[Rich!]

Then please educate me - because from the little I know (and it is little) from two psychologist friends, sociopaths cannot be cured or frankly trusted.

Then there's nothing more I can add. You don't have first hand experience, and you admit you know little. That's even besides the fact you approve of thowing away a goddamn 10 year old into adult prison for the rest of their life. Sorry, but I'd be arguing a hopeless case. I'm ashamed that people here actually share the viewpoint you do, it's depressing and deeply upsetting.

I feel more strongly towards mental health prejudice than anything else in this entire world. So many people just do not understand.