10 year old kills 90 year old woman

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Valnen said:
Murder is never forgivable.
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It most definitely is in some cases, where mental illness is concerned and where circumstances forced the situation to happen. What if the kid was being molested or beaten? Or what if he has severe autism? Should he still go to a federal prison? Sadly, some think he should.
 
richisawesome said:
It most definitely is in some cases, where mental illness is concerned and where circumstances forced the situation to happen. What if the kid was being molested or beaten? Or what if he has severe autism? Should he still go to a federal prison? Sadly, some think he should.
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Nah lock him up he's 10 whole years old that's old enough to know better apparently.
 
Valnen said:
Pretty sure I knew not to murder people at 10.
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I almost killed my mum at 10 or 11 whilst in France. I turned things around. And no, I didn't understand what I was doing on the level you are claiming. Mental issues exist, and not everyone is equal.

I obviously understand the situation now and I am a responsible adult with a child. But back then? I got into a physical fight that ended up in her concussion because I couldn't have an ice cream. I did not have the mental state to understand.

And also, my parents have always been supportive.
 
Terrible for the grandmother, but I can't say I agree with charging a ten year old as an adult. That's pretty excessive.

I understand he did a terrible thing and his actions directly contributed to his grandmother's death, but how on earth do you then go on to justify charging a 10 year old as a adult?

Madness. I can't understand how anyone can think that's a good idea.
 
Valnen said:
Pretty sure I knew not to murder people at 10.

Those aren't murder. This was. He beat an old woman to death. How can you forgive that?
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Homicide is homicide.

Murder requires intent, btw.

Miles Quaritch said:
I understand he did a terrible thing and his actions directly contributed to his grandmother's death, but how on earth do you then go on to justify charging a 10 year old as a adult?

Madness. I can't understand how anyone can think that's a good idea.
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The article mentions that the prosecutor had no choice due to shit laws.
 
People here are actually OK with a 10-year-old being tried as an adult? You guys are more disturbing than the story itself...
 
Valnen said:
He killed an innocent person. How is ANYTHING more disturbing than that?
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He's 10 year old. Why not try and help him? Rehabilitate him? Find some morsel of something worth a damn inside of him rather than just throw him away when that's likely what has been happening to him his whole, sad, short life that got him to this point.

This idea of "He knew what he was doing because when I was 10..." is dumb. When I was 10 I knew stealing was bad. If a 10 year old steals from a store or takes mommy's car on a joyride should we give them a felony? When I was 10 I knew hitting people was bad. Should we charge every 10 year old that gets into a fight at school with felony assault?
 
Valnen said:
I get that you didn't understand your actions as a 10 year old, but that sure as hell doesn't excuse them.
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Right.

I can't deal with this. Please try to understand that mental issues exist. I am sick to death of intolerant people who do not understand. It's not only insulting, its staggeringly ignorant.

Maybe you will understand that some day. Or not.
 
Valnen said:
I get that you didn't understand your actions as a 10 year old, but that sure as hell doesn't excuse them.
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So we should take a 10 year old and just lock him up forever, not even try to rehabilitate him? Funny how people are consistently moaning about how many people are in prison and yet when there is a chance to you know not let a 10 year old rot, it's "throw him to the dogs." Okay then.
 
Just so everyone's on the same page:

OP's Article said:
[The attorney for the child] also can petition a judge to transfer the case to juvenile court.

Janine Edwards, Wayne County district attorney, said Pennsylvania law made it mandatory "that a criminal homicide charge be first directly filed in adult court by the prosecutor regardless of the age of the perpetrator," WBRE reported.

"It is not a choice I made," she told the station, adding that a juvenile detention center will not accept a child charged with homicide. "It's not a choice the warden made. It's not a choice Pennsylvania State Police made."
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So, the bit about the kid being tried as an adult may not be a permanent feature of this prosecution, assuming CNN is right about the law (which is, admittedly, a pretty big assumption).
 
I don't get some of you guys, he's only 10, he needs some serious help. What good would locking him up or sending him to death do?

Besides until more information is released no one can tell what actually went down.

May the old lady RIP
 
After experiencing around six or seven years of actual life, some of you are willing to have this kid get charged with 10+ years in prison, or wherever they'll ship him?
 
This thread pretty accurately sums up the problems with modern day mental illness, poverty, and abuse. Bunch of working or middle class people not even trying to show a shred of empathy for someone who had an upbringing worse than they could imagine. I turned 20 a week ago. It's a fucking long period of time to be in jail for. When I look back I was a very different person at age 15 and unrecognisable at 10.

This ambulance at the bottom of the cliff style strategy is ridiculous.
 
"Death penalty to the little fucker! I mean... I DID NOT KILL when I was 10! Death penalty to him! Look how stable I turned out to be!"
 
Slavik81 said:
Why can you charge someone who isn't an adult as if they were an adult? It seems like we built an entire system around the idea that children are not able to be held to the same standard as adults, but we frequently make exceptions because we don't actually think that's true.

I honestly don't understand how the system works. It seems really weird to me.
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These prisons aren't gonna fill themselves.
 
Kid clearly has anger issues, so I wouldn't put any blame to him. Maybe grandma had part to do with this and not wanting to go to hospital was her way of taking responsibility even at her last moments.
 
This thread is filled with so much ignorant bullshit i feel like crying. How fucking ignorant do you have to be to want to throw a fucking ten year old into a federal prison? You are fueling a fucking witch hunt on A MENTALLY UNSTABLE FUCKING TEN YEAR OLD KID.

How the fuck even.
 
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Affidavit[/URL]]Your affiant is Trooper John D. DECKER of the Pa State Police Troop R Honesdale. I have been a trooper for the last 16 years, f am currently assisgned to the criminal investigations unit. I have had this assignment for the last eight years. Part of that assignement is to investigate and make arrests for crimes such as Criminal Homicide.

On 10/11/14 at approximately 1116 hrs myself and Wayne County Deputy Coroner, Carol LEINERT arrived at PSP Honesdale. We had just finished another call. Upon our arrival, PCO Dave AULISIO received a call from the Wayne County Communications Center advising that there was a deceased 94 year old woman at a personal care home on Skylake Rd. Tyler Hill, PA. LEINERT advised that she would go to the location and would advise PSP Honesdale should she need any assistance. LEINERT responded to the scene. The female, Helen NOVAK (90 years old), was located by LEINERT at the home (349 Skylake Rd. Tyler Hill, PA / Damascus Twp / Wayne County). NOVAK was subsequently transported to Wayne Memorial Hospital Morgue.

On 10/11/14 at approx. 1520hrs I was notified that there was a female in the lobby of PSP Honesdale that advised that she had information relative lo the death of NOVAK. I went to the lobby and identified myself. The female identified herself as Martha VIRBITSKY . Martha advised that her son, Tristen KURILLA (DOB 7/14/04 /10 years old) had told her that he had killed NOVAK. I then asked her what he said. Martha advised that her son had gone to his grandfather's house (Anthony ViRBITSKY) on the morning of 10/11/14. She advised that Anthony takes care of NOVAK because he used to run a personal care home there. Martha continued that her son had said that he had went into NOVAK's room and asked her a question and then she yelled at him to get out. Her son then advised that he got mad and lost his temper and grabbed a cane and put it around NOVAK's throat. He then pulled NOVAK down on the bed and held the cane on her throat. He then punched her repeatedly.

Martha advised that she has had a lot of trouble with Tristen and that he has had some mental difficulties. She advised that Tristen has been violent in the past and tells lies all the time. Martha then asked me to talk with Tristen. I informed her that Tristen could get into a lot of trouble for something like this and that he could face criminal charges. Martha advised that she understood and still wanted me to speak with him. Martha then advised that she did not want to be in the room and that she wanted me to talk with Tristen alone. I advised her that I typically do not do that when the individual is 10 years old. She advised that she understood that but felt that Tristen would be more honest if she was not there. I then advised Martha that she was allowed to have an attorney in with Tristen or to be in the room herself. She advised that she understood that and still wanted me to talk to Tristen without an attorney present or her in the room.

I then walked back out to the lobby with Martha and identified myself to Tristen. Martha then told Tristen that she wanted him to go into the barracks and speak with me. I then asked Tristen if he wanted his mother in the room with us and he advised that he did not. As we walked to the interview room I told Tristen that he did not have to talk with me and that he was welcomed to have his mother in the room with us if he wanted. Tristen advised that he wanted to speak with me and did not want his mother in the room. I then told him if at any time he wanted to leave the room and or have his mother in the room that I would go get her or take him back to the lobby. Tristen advised that he understood and would let me know if he changed his mind. I made sure that Tristen understood what the truth meant and he confirmed that he understood the concept. I then asked Tristen if he had ever lied before. Tristen responded, "Yes, a lot." I then asked him if he was going to lie to me, and he responded that he was not going to tell me any lies.

I then asked him to tell me what had happened. Tristen then said, "I killed that lady." I then said, "How did that happen?".

Tristen advised that he was at his grandfather's house. He advised that 10 am he went into NOVAK's room and she yelled at him to get out of her room. Tristen advised that this made him very mad and he lost his temper. He continued that he ran out of the room and grabbed a wooden cane and came back into the room. He advised that NOVAK was seated upright at the end of ner bed He advised that he came up behind her and put the cane around her throat and pulled back. Tristen advised that he pulled NOVAK down on the bed and pushed the cane into her throat for four to five seconds. He advised that he then look it off her and she sat up. He advised that when she sat up he punched her in the throat five limes and then in the stomach five limes. Tnsten advised that he was standing in front of NOVAK when he did this. I then said, •Where you trying to kill her?". To which Tristen replied, "No, I was only trying to hurt her." I then asked Tristen where he got the cane from and what it looked like. I then asked Tnsten if he had told me the truth He advised that he had told me that whole truth. I then asked him to come to the lobby with me lo be with his mother.

I spoke with Anthony VIRBITSKY (grandfather of Tristen KURILLA). I asked Anthony to tell me what had happened. Anthony advised that Tristen had come to his house earlier in the morning so that he could watch him because his mother had to work. Anthony advised that at approx. 1030hrs Tristen came to him and told him that Helen (Novak) was bleeding from her mouth. Anthony advised that he went into her room to check on her. but found no blood. He advised that NOVAK was breathing heavy and looked scared.

Anthony advised that he asked NOVAK if she was OK and she said, "Yes". He advised that he then asked her if she wanted to go to the hospital, and she replied that she did not. Anthony advised that he asked Tristen what had happened to NOVAK and had he done anything to her and Tristen denied having done anything to her. Anthony then advised that he told Tristen to go into another room and he did not go back near NOVAK after that.

Anthony advised that at approx. 1100hrs he went back in to check on NOVAK and she was not responsive. Anthony advised that he did speak with Tristen further at which time Tristen advised him that he had punched the victim and put a cane around her neck. I then spoke with Martha VIRBITSKY atid advised her that I would like to get a statement from her son. She advised that Tristen does not write that well. I then advised Martha that I could audio record the statement. She advised that she would like to have the statement done that way. I then brought Martha VIRBITSKY and her son, Tristen KURILLA into the interview room. I immediately informed both Tristen and Martha that the conversation was being recorded. They both advised that they understood. I then asked Martha if she understood the rights I read. She replied, "Yes". I then asked Martha if having these rights in mind now she wanted the juvenile to talk with me now without an attorney present, she replied, Yes . I then. asked Tristen if he had opportunity to privately discuss this matter with his mother. Tristen appeared to be having trouble answering the questions so I asked him if he would like more time to discuss the matter with him mother and he advised that he did. I then advised him that I would stop recording and step out of the room so he could talk with his mother. I then stopped recording and stepped out of the room. Shortly thereafter Martha VIRBITSKY came out of the interview room and advised me that Tristen was ready to continue with the interview. I then went back into the room. Tristen subsequently provided very similar information to what he provided earlier. Except he now advised that after he had assaulted NOVAK she screamed that she could not eat when she was trying to eat a cracker that he had given to her earlier. Tristen also advised that NOVAK was having trouble breathing after he had assaulted her. Tristen insisted that he. was telling the truth about having assaulted NOVAK even after I told him repeatedly that he could get into trouble for what he was saying and that he could get arrested.

Your affiant subsequently obtained consent to search the residence of Anthony VIRBITSKY located at 349 Skylake Rd. Tyler Hill, PA. At that search a wooden cane (walking stick) was located in the room next to the victim's room. Tristen looked at the cane and identified that as being the cane that he had used to assault the victim.

On 10/13/14 at approx. 1230hrs an autopsy was performed by Dr. ROSS.. Also present at the autopsy were Al HUGHES , Wayne County Coroner. Edward HOWELL, Tpr. Gerald GUSTAS. and myself. Dr. ROSS reported that his findings for the autopsy were the following: The victim died from blunt force trauma to her neck. His ruling on the death was Homicide. Dr. ROSS also advised that th account provided by Tristen KURILLA was consistent with the injuries that he observed on the vicitm. He also advised that one of the blows to the victim's neck was definitely the cause of her death.
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I was getting mad at this kid but the responses in this thread have been distracting me from my rage. It wasn't even murder. It was at worst involuntary manslaughter since he stopped way before the time she ended up dying. She even had the ability to refuse hospital help.

It's very troubling how a kid could have anger issues like this but they are still at an age where they are mentally developing and can make decisions that are inappropriate.
 
This thread will make me stay away from GAF for sometime. The amount of disturbing comments here, heck not even real gore made me this disturbed.
 
Locking the kid up will solve nothing. With help, he can lead a normal life style without wasting away in a cell for what seems like an anger-induced accident. Kids can experience very intense emotions and look for outlets, I don't think he should be charged for murder, but manslaughter.
 
Wow. I don't know that the right response to violence from a mentally unstable 10-year old is to throw him away for the next 70 years, but apparently a lot of people think it is. Huh.
 
Metaphoreus said:
Just so everyone's on the same page:

So, the bit about the kid being tried as an adult may not be a permanent feature of this prosecution, assuming CNN is right about the law (which is, admittedly, a pretty big assumption).
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Well, I suppose that's positive, though a bit weird.
 
10 years old is no excuse. I knew the difference between life and death, and right and wrong when I was 10. Lock this little fucker up. He's obviously a danger to society.
 
people obviously aren't fucking reading more than the thread title. the kid didn't intend to kill, nor did he keep attacking until the old lady was dead.

can you imagine how fucked up this kid will be if he takes a full prison term with zero counselling and mental health treatment? he'll go in having made a terrible mistake, and come out as the legitimate hardened psychopath some of you think he already is. that is, if the kid doesn't kill himself in the first three years of his term.
 
Boy, I'm really shocked at the responses here. This is not the ultra left GAF that I've come to know.

I'm interested to see the reaction the next time a child runs away from home to be with some 40 year old pedo shes met over the internet.
 
falcs said:
10 years old is no excuse. I knew the difference between life and death, and right and wrong when I was 10. Lock this little fucker up. He's obviously a danger to society.
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Yeah, it is, actually.

Don't project your own experiences onto someone who wasn't as fortunate as you. Kids who grow up neglected or abused are capable of horrible stuff.

The level of ignorant bullshit in this thread is astounding.
 
FZZpure said:
10 is old enough to know you're seriously injuring and can possibly kill another person.

Try him as an adult, don't really see much of a future for him anyways.
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This comment represents the problem of America for me. Angry, pessimistic quitters who have no patience to do anything more than punish, not realizing this very attitude is the cause of the country's darkness.

10 year olds barely even have a sense of self, let alone the true magnitude of ending a life or believing they are even capable of it in a scenario such as this one. He had no idea what he was doing. He was fucking 10.
 
Maitiú;134420690 said:
This comment represents the problem of America for me. Angry, pessimistic quitters who have no patience to do anything more than punish, not realizing this very attitude is the cause of the country's darkness.

10 year olds barely even have a sense of self, let alone the true magnitude of ending a life or even believing they are capable of it in a scenario such as this one.
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I think most children at that age know the magnitude of ending a life to some degree, human or not. 10 years old is not as young as you think when it comes to things like that. It is not normal behavior for a 10 year old. This is not a kid reacting to physical violence, this is not a kid shoving someone and having them hit their head, or even them firing a gun without realizing the consequence. He choked her out, punched her in the throat and in the stomach. It was a very violent way to react. I am not saying the kid needs to go to jail, I think he needs to be rehabilitated. He needs therapy. It isn't a punishment, it is treatment.
 
Just when I think Gaf is about to break the left wing side of the scale and fall into the bowels of leftism forever I read a thread like this that makes me cringe.

A 10 year old should never be tried as an adult unless they are a repeat offender after rehabilitation. Children do not have the mental capacity to understand consequences of actions fully and then use competent decision making to change their mindset. Children act on impulse and sometimes erratically. This child probably still wets the bed and cries in the shops when they don't get the toy they want.

This child has a much better chance at contributing to the planet as a whole if he received support and mental health rehabilitation. Locking this kid up til he's 30 and coming back into the wild as a disgruntled pseudo-human narrows his chance of being anything more than a scarred psychopath.
 
Did he viciously beat her? Or was it her age combined with a few blows to sensitive areas that got her?



Also, 10 year old tried as an adult? What the hell guys?
 
I'm not sure he should be tried as an adult, but I also remember being 10. I knew exactly what was right and wrong. Especially when it was as wrong as this is.
 
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