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[r1chard]

So gamergate...

You want to pressure publishers to not give review copies to outlets that reviewed their game poorly?

Colour me dubious. It seems far too ludicrous (and a free kick for GG opponents). Do we have an actual origin for this image?

 

[Lime]

You know, that same Ben Kuchera everyone accuses of being too liberal and too feminist.

What? Kuchera liberal and feminist? Dude has made some horrible remarks in topics of gender and harassment and diversity issues. Maybe he has written and published good stuff, but I've seen him make some disparaging stuff.

Let's review, shall we

"You can’t threaten people with death, and I resent very strongly being made to type that out. Not only can you not do that because you can’t fucking do it, it has the power to obliterate everything else you say. In fact, it obliterates everything the people around you are trying to say. That’s what has happened now. I know that this situation is more complex than anyone is willing to enunciate. I know that “Gaming Journalism” is a contradiction in terms. But they've broken your banner, now, and you helped them do it. I grieve for the ones who tried to do it right. When your media doesn't represent you, or actively attacks you as it has here, it’s not your media. You’ll have to make your own, and it’s not impossible. It’s more possible now than it has ever been in human history, and you’re reading an example of it at this moment. Go your own way.

Emphasis added by me.

A lot of this thread has been about people telling the folks who were ostensibly tied to GamerGate over the ethical journalism part that they can't redeem that aspect of GamerGate with the death threats & crazysauce aspect. In fact, by trying to do so, you are passively encouraging the crazier aspects of GG. That's what everyone has been trying to tell the "moderate"? folks in GG. That if you want to talk games journalism; you need to do it on separate terms.

That's exactly what Tycho says. Right there. In no uncertain terms.

But because its' PA, and people are still upset about earlier items, and damnit my worldview is right no matter what and PA is the worstest - they can do no right

Just read charlequin's post:

Penny Arcade are being told they need to react because a) they are significant tastemakers in the industry so they have a general responsibility to push back about this kind of thing, and b) they were significant contributors to the particular current of misogynist gamer insularity that helped feed gamergate in the first place, which makes them specifically responsible to combat its negative effects as well.

 

[JackDT]

Ok so I accept that TB is being an ass and p.much saying not my problem to a lot of this shit fest and giving it false equivalence
(he is also just recovering from anal cancer and is on a fair few drugs so I take a lot of what he is saying with a grain of salt)

But theres no need to bring up a man's asshole atheist phase from 7 years ago

Spoiler

God I'm so glad I didn't post on the internet during my one reading this

Totally agree.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I'm just wondering if we are overlooking the victims in our discussion and broader culture of video games. Obviously we are denouncing the harassers and talking about the goals of the movement and so on, but it also seems like we aren't talking about how to best help the public victims throughout this ordeal. Like, how do we ensure quality of life for all those affected by Gamergate? How can we help them in any way? This is a focus that seems to be overlooked I think.

This is actually something I'm trying to figure out as a friend of someone targeted. The deluge of threats is taking real emotional and physical tolls and even if Gamergate suddenly went dead there's still a lot of damage that's already been done. These women are strong enough to still want to stay in the industry in spite of all this and I think those with common sense need to do whatever they can to make it possible.

 

[Hemi-PoweredDrone]

the only problem i see with this is that this mentality is very near to the core of the bigotry and hatred that need to get stamped out of the community. People clinging to this core gamer identity have decided that they're the true community that should get to dictate how the industry develops (which is a ludicrous assertion, obviously) and also they've taken it upon themselves to defend certain aspects of the industry from the criticism of those they consider outsiders (in this case women, feminists, "SJWs" and anyone who disagrees with them).

What I really want to know is 1) how we're going to get rid of these people, and 2) where they're going to go and what kind of heinous shit they're going to get up to when they get there.

True, I get that. It's sort of a two sides to the same coin, almost, with one side being inclusive saying that "If you love games than come and join us as gamers!" while the other, shittier side is saying "Get the fuck out of here, you aren't a true gamer because you don't play the hardest of the hardcore games!" And maybe I worded that a little poorly earlier, but I'm in no way saying that developers should only pander to the ultra hardcore gamer audience, they should look into all audiences, maybe the ones that are not necesarily gamers yet, because they haven't been given an opportunity. A lot of the games that are sort of introducing people to games, be it Candy Crush, Farmville, Puzzle and Dragons, or anything of the sort, prevent people from really devoting a lot of time in order to really get into it with things like paywalls and stamina systems. While I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, it has sort of limited how involved and how passionate someone could be about games and is somewhat limiting to the diversity of games that are getting full attention from developers. Even if a more casual game like Puzzle and Dragons is good, it doesn't have as much going into it's development as other games, as the limiting systems used have allowed for developers to sort of cheat their way into making a smaller product and not give that audience the full attention they deserve. Do I know what a big budget casual game would look like? No, but I want to see it, and we need to get big time developers and publishers to look at all audiences beyond gamers, and all different sorts of gamers as well, to really expand this.

As for getting rid of the bigotry, I think our only solutions are to either

A - Ignore them on an enormous scale, as if they don't exist.

or

B - Make it known to them that we don't want them here and, with the help of developers and similar, remove them in any way possible from any sort of community, in order to force them to either change their ways, hide them, or go somewhere else, and just drive them away from everywhere. Then I guess whatever is left will be some sort of Stormfront of gaming. I mean, maybe because I'm a white boy I don't see the problem, but if someone hides their bigotry, then I don't see an issue with them being on the internet as long as it doesn't come up, because eventually hiding it will become what's normal for them and eventually they won't have those bigoted feelings anymore, hopefully. I'm a firm believer in that bigotry is learned, not genetic, but all I really have to go by is that I didn't notice anything weird about any of the PoCs in my elementary school classes until like third grade or something, and that was because red neck students were calling it out and bullying them. Plus I want to believe that people aren't inherently hateful, that people can learn not to hate just as easily as they learned to hate.

What does fame have to do with much of anything? TB's initial thoughts were about the Quinn allegations raised in IA's videos, so he had to have watched the video(s). That's my point. He'll openly consider the rumors in that video but won't take issues with the way the video is presented by IA, even though anyone that's taking a "neutral" stance should've had their bullshit detector going off like crazy.

Those issues were not initially made in that video, that video was just compiling all of the rumours and accusations that had already been made around the internet. And if I got the timeline wrong and he came up with them, why are people paying attention to him?

You know, I really don't think society is better off if journalists always stop and think about how what they write will be taken by the most ignorant and least literate people who read it.

You can easily write your complete meaning without having idiots misinterpret it, you just have to think about it.

But, as I generally like to post in regards to him, let's not forget that totalbiscuit is a law graduate with an IQ of 155.

To be fair, he brought that up on the Co-Optional Podcast two weeks ago and said that he regrets ever posting that and thinks he was a complete twat.

 

[RMI]

So gamergate...

You want to pressure publishers to not give review copies to outlets that reviewed their game poorly?

motherfuckers.... No reason to drag Bayonetta into this.

 

[MYeager]

I feel like the people decrying the PA statement are willfully ignoring the actual content of his post in order to stay in their closed shell of "PA is bad!!!". Even though they hired Ben Kuchera as the person they believed could bring good Games Journalism. You know, that same Ben Kuchera everyone accuses of being too liberal and too feminist.

Let's review, shall we

"You can’t threaten people with death, and I resent very strongly being made to type that out. Not only can you not do that because you can’t fucking do it, it has the power to obliterate everything else you say. In fact, it obliterates everything the people around you are trying to say. That’s what has happened now. I know that this situation is more complex than anyone is willing to enunciate. I know that “Gaming Journalism” is a contradiction in terms. But they've broken your banner, now, and you helped them do it. I grieve for the ones who tried to do it right. When your media doesn't represent you, or actively attacks you as it has here, it’s not your media. You’ll have to make your own, and it’s not impossible. It’s more possible now than it has ever been in human history, and you’re reading an example of it at this moment. Go your own way.

Emphasis added by me.

A lot of this thread has been about people telling the folks who were ostensibly tied to GamerGate over the ethical journalism part that they can't redeem that aspect of GamerGate with the death threats & crazysauce aspect. In fact, by trying to do so, you are passively encouraging the crazier aspects of GG. That's what everyone has been trying to tell the "moderate"? folks in GG. That if you want to talk games journalism; you need to do it on separate terms.

That's exactly what Tycho says. Right there. In no uncertain terms.

But because its' PA, and people are still upset about earlier items, and damnit my worldview is right no matter what and PA is the worstest - they can do no right.

I like their comics. They handled the whole dickwolves things really poorly but I personally wasn't offended and got what they were going with in that comic.

He wrote death threats are bad. I think he hyperbole at the end is what people should be mocking if anything, but it's not like he wrote anything that contributed to the ongoing discussion. I'm not even sure who he's saying that for or why he felt forced to say what should be common sense unless you're a sociopath.

I mean, I agree, death threats are bad. However considering the rest of what he wrote I think he and I would disagree about what the 'Banner' for the movement was and his final sentence was just made me roll my eyes. I'm not going to insult him because of it, but that statement said so much nothing I wonder what the point of making it was aside from the pressure to just say something on it.

 

[CurlyW]

More like ethic cleansing.

 

[Lime]

This is actually something I'm trying to figure out as a friend of someone targeted. The deluge of threats is taking real emotional and physical tolls and even if Gamergate suddenly went dead there's still a lot of damage that's already been done. These women are strong enough to still want to stay in the industry in spite of all this and I think those with common sense need to do whatever they can to make it possible.

That's so sad to hear. I hope your friend is going to be okay.

How can we help those people suffering from the online terrorism besides decrying the harassers? How do we make sure that the victims are supported and assisted in recovering from all this bullshit?

And most importantly, how do we make sure that women and other people facing oppression aren't solely listened to only when they are victims?

 

[MisterShine]

... b) they were significant contributors to the particular current of misogynist gamer insularity that helped feed gamergate in the first place, which makes them specifically responsible to combat its negative effects as well.

What do you mean by the bolded specifically? I feel like I've missed something. Or is this relating to Gabe's 'confusion' over transgender folk?

 

[faceless007]

If the rewards for Club Nintendo NA are any indication, what people write in the surveys is never looked at by anyone at Nintendo ever, so you know, joke's on them.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

it's not like it matters at this point, but has Nathan Greyson also been receiving death threats and the like?

 

[Orayn]

What do you mean by the bolded specifically? I feel like I've missed something. Or is this relating to Gabe's 'confusion' over transgender folk?

That and the dickwolves thing. Both cases involved him getting really indignant and doubling down on the bad things he said, while also taking a very long time to produce anything even remotely resembling an apology. (And even those were loaded with caveats about how he's not really wrong or sorry and everyone but him fucked up.)

 

[Hemi-PoweredDrone]

If the rewards for Club Nintendo NA are any indication, what people write in the surveys is never looked at by anyone at Nintendo ever, so you know, joke's on them.

Whatever, I got sweet Kirby Epic Yarn patches from them, so I think Nintendo is doing fine with their rewards.

But yeah, I really doubt they actually look at what's written on the survey, there's to many of them for that to be possible. They may pull out like one ever couple thousand, if any, but I still kind of doubt it.

 

[JackDT]

Colour me dubious. It seems far too ludicrous (and a free kick for GG opponents). Do we have an actual origin for this image?

I don't know exactly, but you can confirm it's been tweeted by a decent audience of people identifying as gamergate.

One example with 78 retweets:

https://twitter.com/AndreaBettis_/status/522478560347709441/photo/1

Another example with 94 retweets:

https://twitter.com/i_z_e_l_s/status/522500561971970048

Hey #GamerGate? @PixieJenni is saying not to do this, so you all know what to do.

 

[Oersted]

I'm just wondering if we are overlooking the victims in our discussion and broader culture of video games. Obviously we are denouncing the harassers and talking about the goals of the movement and so on, but it also seems like we aren't talking about how to best help the public victims throughout this ordeal. Like, how do we ensure quality of life for all those affected by Gamergate? How can we help them in any way? This is a focus that seems to be overlooked I think.

In this thread? Yeah. But mainstream media is doing a surprisingly (?) good job to give victims a voice.

 

[Brakke]

More like ethic cleansing.

got me good

What do you mean by the bolded specifically? I feel like I've missed something. Or is this relating to Gabe's 'confusion' over transgender folk?

There's no shortage of examples of Gabe blowing it. The Dickwolves thing was a big deal, less the comic more the fact that they were planning on selling tshirts literally designed to antagonize people (women). They were making a call to action to confrontation and hateful targeting at their own event.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

That's so sad to hear. I hope your friend is going to be okay.

How can we help those people suffering from the online terrorism besides decrying the harassers? How do we make sure that the victims are supported and assisted in recovering from all this bullshit?

And most importantly, how do we make sure that women and other people facing oppression aren't solely listened to only when they are victims?

It's going to be a rough and long process, but I think those in the industry especially need to step up and improve the work environment in general and back people up, letting them know they can speak without fear of internal reprisal.

 

[LiquidSword]

I'm imagining Miyamoto reading fan mail. He opens up a letter and it says "Help Miyamoto! These SJWs at Polygon are trying to take away my Bayonetta!" And then a single tear rolls down his face

 

[antigoon]

I have no problem at all with Frank Cifaldi going in on Penny Arcade's say-nothing statement that even sort of implied that GG had a good thing going until aw shucks someone had to go ruin it and send death threats.

Further, as a major player in this space, ESPECIALLY as one that has perpetuated regressive views toward women and rape, they need to at least take partial responsibility for the culture they have helped cultivate that allows something like GamerGate to even exist in the first place.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I'm imagining Miyamoto reading fan mail. He opens up a letter and it says "Help Miyamoto! These SJWs at Polygon are trying to take away my Bayonetta!" And then a single tear rolls down his face

In my version, Miyamoto says "Give a FUCK!" and takes another sip of that ginjo sake

 

[Hemi-PoweredDrone]

it's not like it matters at this point, but has Nathan Greyson also been receiving death threats and the like?

I'm sure he is if TB, a guy with friggen cancer, gets them, but it's likely on a smaller scale than someone like Quinn or Sarkeesian so it's easier for him to ignore.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

I don't know, Miyamoto does seem like the type I could see being part of GamerGate...stuck in his own ways, doesn't want games to have a "story", etc. He doesn't seem like the progressive sort to me.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I don't know, Miyamoto does seem like the type I could see being part of GamerGate...stuck in his own ways, doesn't want games to have a "story", etc. He doesn't seem like the progressive sort to me.

You should read some of his interviews then.

 

[RMI]

I don't know, Miyamoto does seem like the type I could see being part of GamerGate...stuck in his own ways, doesn't want games to have a "story", etc. He doesn't seem like the progressive sort to me.

Huh? When asked by a parent of a young child what game should be bought for said child, he replied that they should play in the park instead. He's an old school game designer, you're reading too much into it.

As for getting rid of the bigotry, I think our only solutions are to either

A - Ignore them on an enormous scale, as if they don't exist.

or

B - Make it known to them that we don't want them here and, with the help of developers and similar, remove them in any way possible from any sort of community, in order to force them to either change their ways, hide them, or go somewhere else, and just drive them away from everywhere.

I feel like A is the only reasonable option because B doesn't work without moderation and consequences, which don't really exist on most of the internet. I can see where ignoring them seems like giving up though. It's a shit situation.

 

[Orayn]

You should read some of his interviews then.

Yeah, he may be a little old-fashioned about some things but he's definitely got an inclusive streak. Plus most of the topics on GG's agenda fall well outside the purview of things Nintendo cares about.

 

[Red Chocobo]

stuck in his own ways, doesn't want games to have a "story", etc. He doesn't seem like the progressive sort to me.

Why is it a bad thing and not "progressive" to not want a story in your games? It's his personal choice as the artist.

 

[r1chard]

If you search for it you can certainly find ton of people self-identifying as gamergate who are behind it. Example with 84 retweets:

https://twitter.com/i_z_e_l_s/status/522500561971970048

How bizarre. I still can't see GamerGate doing anything remotely useful, given how disparate the communities are that form it, and their wildly differing goals. On one hand, "ethics in journalism!" and on the other "force publisher to require better reviews of their game!"

Over in KiA land, someone quite reasonably asked that GamerGate have "less high school drama please" (which quite eloquently captures some of the worst of GamerGate *and* its opponents). Sadly while some agreed, a bunch see value in still attacking the same individuals

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Huh? When asked by a parent of a young child what game should be bought for said child, he replied that they should play in the park instead. He's an old school game designer, you're reading too much into it.



I feel like A is the only reasonable option because B doesn't work without moderation and consequences, which don't really exist on most of the internet. I can see where ignoring them seems like giving up though. It's a shit situation.

Ignoring them can also create a feeling of isolation. The effect seen in Anita's kirkstarter is actually often seen in social circles as well, where people (can be) more prone to support those targetted by harassment.

Usually keeping silent about it can lead to people internalizing negative feelings and feeling isolated because they don't realise it's a trend rather than something only happening to them.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Why is it a bad thing and not "progressive" to not want a story in your games? It's his personal choice as the artist.

We got Sticker Star out of it.

 

[Oersted]

We got Sticker Star out of it.

Thats not a argument. And we are derailing.

 

[RMI]

Ignoring them can also create a feeling of isolation. The effect seen in Anita's kirkstarter is actually often seen in social circles as well, where people (can be) more prone to support those targetted by harassment.

Usually keeping silent about it can lead to people internalizing negative feelings and feeling isolated because they don't realise it's a trend rather than something only happening to them.

If what you're getting at is that ignoring them puts a disproportional load on the victims of this abuse then I agree and that's why it seems like a bad choice. The problem is that trolling behavior seems very much to be reinforced by negative feedback, so confronting abusers without any real tangible way to punish their bad behavior only further encourages them. It's a shitty situation. I wonder how much of this problem could be resolved by twitter and other places on the web having better moderation.

 

[stupei]

Standing up to threats is an incredibly brave and strong thing to do, but fearing for your own safety doesn't make you weak. It makes you a normal human being who doesn't want to die.

Some people are also treating it as if Sarkeesian's only concern was for herself. The published threat explicitly says that they intended to kill other women in the audience. Going through with the talk would have placed other people's lives in danger, and so it's hardly a choice Anita would really have any right to make.

But ugh to that Bayonetta 2 image. Guess I'll have to consider saying something positive about cultural criticism and how an open dialogue between creators and press does not sway me away from purchasing decisions but rather only fuels my passion for my gaming pastime. Or something.

Hey, at least it would be filling out a Club Nintendo survey with an actual purpose other than coins.

edit: Why are people questioning the Bayonetta image when we know that they are pressuring companies to pull ads from sites they disagree with? Isn't this essentially the same idea, just hoping to remove their access to content as well?

 

[Corpekata]

Why is it a bad thing and not "progressive" to not want a story in your games? It's his personal choice as the artist.

Is he the artist though? Most of the games he's said that about he's only been tangentially involved with.

 

[Gestault]

I'm sure he is...but it's likely on a smaller scale than someone like Quinn or Sarkeesian so it's easier for him to ignore.

This feels like a really messed up set of assumptions, for a topic as potent as death threats.

 

[RMI]

Hey, at least it would be filling out a Club Nintendo survey with an actual purpose other than coins.

whenever I fill those out I just beg for a modern Kirby's Dream Course.... they're not listening :'(

 

[jim-jam bongs]

For the record, whether it originated there or not, that Operation Bayonetta 2 image is on the front page of /gg/

 

[Brakke]

KiA is fascinating and terrifying and I can't look away.

This one: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2jcc0o/so_this_just_happened_on_8chan/

About this pic: http://i.imgur.com/RcM1DOh.jpg.

Which, like, hey Microsoft buddy: that #gamergate has support in the industry is exactly the thing that sucks the most? That people that make games empathize with #gamergate's total disdain for progressivity and inclusion is the terrible thing. At least nothing in that picture indicates the Microsoft buddy actually works on games.

But then this comment: dude says "It's all a ploy to sell Xbone's! Wake up sheeple!" and someone replies with "This movement should be about buying products from companies that listen, and less about hating on assholes. If companies want to pander to us, good we should support them.".

"This movement should be about buying products from companies that listen"

"This movement should be about buying products"

;_;

 

[Mael]

Seriously if there's a reason Nintendo should remove access to Polygon it's really about that brain damaging graph

.

Seriously that Bayonetta 2 review is so clearly not even the beginning of a problem I'm laughing my ass off.
That would be my reaction to everything GG is death/rape threat weren't launched left and right.

 

[FF Seraphim]

I am so confused... so #GG want people to buy B2 so they can laugh at Polygon?

 

[Gestault]

I'm just wondering if we are overlooking the victims in our discussion and broader culture of video games. Obviously we are denouncing the harassers and talking about the goals of the movement and so on, but it also seems like we aren't talking about how to best help the public victims throughout this ordeal. Like, how do we ensure quality of life for all those affected by Gamergate? How can we help them in any way? This is a focus that seems to be overlooked I think.

The people in someone's personal life can make all the difference in the world. As much as physical assault and verbal threats get thought of differently, the emotional reactions and recovery for both is surprisingly similar. Just being there, whether it means talking someone through it, or simply listening while they vent makes all the difference. Having a real human connection during and after something like that is the most important thing. If there's a situation where you're a "satellite" to someone going through this, make every effort to support that person. As much as I think outside commiseration matters socially, I think it's less significant than even one personal connection to help in the midst of it.

 

[GamerJM]

I don't know, Miyamoto does seem like the type I could see being part of GamerGate...stuck in his own ways, doesn't want games to have a "story", etc. He doesn't seem like the progressive sort to me.

He doesn't really seem like the type to care about shit like this. He probably thinks little of or doesn't have an opinion of movements related to video games in general.

I also really have trouble imagining Miyamoto as a misogynist in the least. Someone brought this up once on another site when people were discussing the Damsel in Distress trope, it's a valid criticism of video games but it's hard to believe that the creators of popular Nintendo franchises were intentionally being sexist by having it be a reoccurring thing in their game. Just judging from interviews with the people at Nintendo they don't seem like the type to really hold bigoted views at all. It's more just something they use because storytelling is of insignificant importance in most Nintendo games, and it's a common trope that they happened to use due to years of unaware internalized misogyny.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I am so confused... so #GG want people to buy B2 so they can laugh at Polygon?

No they want them to buy it so they can encourage Nintendo to blacklist Polygon. Because ethical journalism.

 

[Cybit]

That and the dickwolves thing. Both cases involved him getting really indignant and doubling down on the bad things he said, while also taking a very long time to produce anything even remotely resembling an apology. (And even those were loaded with caveats about how he's not really wrong or sorry and everyone but him fucked up.)

Same company that got rid of booth babes years before it was a thing and started Child's Play as well (when gaming was getting a very bad rap from Jack Thompson and company). So not everything is "this company is BAD" and "this company is GOOD." Good people can do bad things, and bad people can do good things, and trying to lump everything someone does into "always good" or "always bad" just usually shows the bias of the person doing the lumping.

FWIW, having talked to Mike at multiple PAXes - I am pretty sure he is genuinely contrite about what happened with the transphobic comments.

Links to the apologies
http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2014/01/01/resolutions -- bullying
http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2013/09/04/some-clarification -- dickwolves

There is another one where he talks to Sophie (now Sam) Prell who worked for them as part of Penny Arcade Report - but that one really just leads to the resolutions apology.

 

[FF Seraphim]

No they want them to buy it so they can encourage Nintendo to blacklist Polygon. Because ethical journalism.

That even makes less sense to me...

 

[axisofweevils]

I am so confused... so #GG want people to buy B2 so they can laugh at Polygon?

No... its part of one of their misguided operations. Support games that annoy the feminists, boycott games that support the feminists. That way, more games will be made without all that boring "inclusivity" stuff .... or something.

Borderlands mentioned misogyny = Boycott!
Someone marked down Bayo2 because feminism = Buy loads of copies!

It makes no real sense, but what in #GG does?

This also extends to boycotting games companies that dare to advertise on sites like Gamasutra...

 

[Mael]

No... its part of one of their misguided operations. Support games that annoy the feminists, boycott games that support the feminists. That way, more games will be made without all that boring "inclusivity" stuff .... or something.

Borderlands mentioned misogyny = Boycott!
Someone marked down Bayo2 because feminism = Buy loads of copies!

It makes no real sense, but what in #GG does?

This also extends to boycotting games companies that dare to advertise on sites like Gamasutra...

So if a game mention misogyny but is also marked down because feminism they'll boycott boatload of copies?

 

[jim-jam bongs]

So if a game mention misogyny but is also marked down because feminism they'll boycott boatload of copies?

 

[JC Sera]

I find the bayo thing so hypocritical
if a company banned a reviewer from reviewing their products because they gave it a badlyrated review ( which polygon didn't it just wasn't a 9/10) there would be outcry:
corruption in the industry!

I feel bad for the person who has to sort through all of those submissions

 

[plagiarize]

I find the bayo thing so hypocritical
if a company banned a reviewer from reviewing their products because they gave it a badlyrated review ( which polygon didn't it just wasn't a 9/10) there would be outcry:
corruption in the industry!

I feel bad for the person who has to sort through all of those submissions

Hilariously that is reportedly happening right now with Bethesda not sending review copies of The Evil Within to people that gave Wolfenstein a bad review. And GamerGate? Protectors of ethics in game journalism? Not a peep.