Sarkeesian cancels speech after mass-shooting threat due to cop refusing to ban gun

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backslashbunny said:
Police are not allowed to identify people who are concealed carrying?

It's pretty simple- if you set off the metal detector, for WHATEVER reason, you get taken aside to a private room to be patted down.

That way, no one would know if it were a belt or a gun. /shrug... (no one except the authorities). If it's a gun, then at that point in total privacy, the carrier can present his/her concealed carry permit/license to cops.

Is any of part of that illegal?
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According to the local police there, yes, that's all illegal. People can only be screened at one designated hearing location on campus.

Brawndo offers a different interpretation above, but that's obviously not what they went with.
 
Utah resident here. My friend's view on the subject:

"It's completely safe. The room would probably be full of other gun owners."

This place scares me sometimes.
 
Its crazy to interpret the law in such way, especially in a situation with actual threat.

She made the right call, especially since she wasn't even the only one in danger.

Echoenigma said:
Utah resident here. My friend's view on the subject:

"It's completely safe. The room would probably be full of other gun owners."

This place scares me sometimes.
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That sounds like a set up for confusion and mass shooting.
 
Echoenigma said:
Utah resident here. My friend's view on the subject:

"It's completely safe. The room would probably be full of other gun owners."

This place scares me sometimes.
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Would "it's completely safe. The room would be full of gun wielding police officers." work better?

I'm pretty close to "trusting" a random citizen over police these days.
 
Pretty gross. I can understand her frustration, maybe there is more the police could have done to circumvent the law, but I really don't know.

In the end, I hope other venues decide to be more accommodating (maybe in different parts of the country/different countries) - that way we can move this entire discussion in a healthier direction.
 
That's terrible. I'm not a fan of Sarkeesian, but she absolutely has the right to give a speech without being fucking murdered.
 
Now the debate has moved far past videogames. It's turned into a left vs right issue, once she canceled the speaking event. I don't blame her in this instance since she had to flee her house, but I can't expect a state to change a law or alter it, especially a law in a highly conservative state, for what many non video game people see as some minor speech person giving what likely would end up being a very liberal speech. She picked a very conservative state to give a speech that most likely would be viewed as a liberal viewpoint.

So seeing state reps saying she's overreacting isn't surprising as they are diehard 2nd amendment supporters and this particular instance turned into a 2nd amendment issue.


I also think the tone difference between this thread in OT and the "Gamergate" thread in Gaming is crazy.
 
Timeaisis said:
It's the law. You can't just bend it at a whim. You may disagree, but the people of Utah clearly don't, as they voted on it in 2004. For clarity, the law is that people with concealed carry permits are allowed to carry a concealed weapon on campus.

Say what you will about your opinion of gun laws, but it's still in state's rights to do what they will with them, especially on the concealed carry level.

Cop's refused because it would be illegal for them to do so. I don't see how we can point the blame at them. The blame, as usual, should be pointed squarely at those nutjobs sending the death threats.
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This should be the first post.
 
dIEHARD said:
Would "it's completely safe. The room would be full of gun wielding police officers." work better?

I'm pretty close to "trusting" a random citizen over police these days.
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Wouldn't be completely safe either way, but it'd be safer with trained police n there than random civilian, at the very least the policeman would be identifiable so you would know who was the original shooter and who were the people reacting to the shooting.

The issue with everyone having a gun is that you'll have issues identifying who's a threat and who's responding to one, especially in a packed teather.
 
Corronchilejano said:
What? A guy just fucking threatened to carry out a mass shooting because he dislikes the opinion of a certain person. How is that left versus right?!
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He's saying the conversation has moved from discussing the mass shooting threat (probably because everyone agrees that is terrible) and onto state rights regarding the second amendment, and what the police are allowed to, or should have done regarding concealed carry.
 
Kinitari said:
He's saying the conversation has moved from discussing the mass shooting threat (probably because everyone agrees that is terrible) and onto state rights regarding the second amendment, and what the police are allowed to, or should have done regarding concealed carry.
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Exactly. everyone knows threatening to kill someone is terrible, but the debate has now moved past that to the right to bear arms/state rights etc. and now she'll be placed in that debate, and its FAR more intense than gaming.
 
Kinitari said:
He's saying the conversation has moved from discussing the mass shooting threat (probably because everyone agrees that is terrible) and onto state rights regarding the second amendment, and what the police are allowed to, or should have done regarding concealed carry.
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I get it, and I don't.

Kimawolf said:
Exactly. everyone knows threatening to kill someone is terrible, but the debate has now moved past that to the right to bear arms/state rights etc. and now she'll be placed in that debate, and its FAR more intense than gaming.
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Allright, I'm out, I have no idea what's going on.
 
Here's the threat:

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What a disgusting fucking terrorist.

Source: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/10/15/sarkeesian-utah/
 
Kimawolf said:
Now the debate has moved far past videogames. It's turned into a left vs right issue, once she canceled the speaking event. I don't blame her in this instance since she had to flee her house, but I can't expect a state to change a law or alter it, especially a law in a highly conservative state, for what many non video game people see as some minor speech person giving what likely would end up being a very liberal speech. She picked a very conservative state to give a speech that most likely would be viewed as a liberal viewpoint.

So seeing state reps saying she's overreacting isn't surprising as they are diehard 2nd amendment supporters and this particular instance turned into a 2nd amendment issue.


I also think the tone difference between this thread in OT and the "Gamergate" thread in Gaming is crazy.
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Corronchilejano said:
I get it, and I don't.



Allright, I'm out, I have no idea what's going on.
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I don't know what you guys are perplexing about, I made the thread with mass shooting and "cop refusing to ban gun" in the title to talk about the law aspect to begin with, that's why this is created in OT. If I want to step into the mine field of Gamergate, I'd stay in that thread in gaming discussion.
 
Valhelm said:
That's terrible. I'm not a fan of Sarkeesian, but she absolutely has the right to give a speech without being fucking murdered.
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This.

I'm glad her influence is bringing out all the nut jobs to be exposed. I hope they catch this psycho.

This is mind boggling. Who the hell says "I disagree with what she says, so I'm gonna shoot her for it!" That's ridiculous.

Also, Utah needs to straighten out its concealed carry laws.
 
PetriP-TNT said:
It's like I can almost smell the acne from here. What a low life
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The sad thing is, most of the time they're not some snot-nosed, pimple-addled kid. It's a full grown adult.

I am not a fan of Sarkeesian at all, but I agree that USU acted irresponsibly by not informing her of the warning. It also sucks that she had to cancel her event due to the threat. However, the police did not act wrongly in this case. They had to adhere to the 1st and 2nd amendment. If she wanted a ban of guns, she would've had to go to a private venue.
 
Nephtis said:
The sad thing is, most of the time they're not some snot-nosed, pimple-addled kid. It's a full grown adult.

I am not a fan of Sarkeesian at all, but I agree that USU acted irresponsibly by not informing her of the warning. It also sucks that she had to cancel her event due to the threat. However, the police did not act wrongly in this case. They had to adhere to the 1st and 2nd amendment. If she wanted a ban of guns, she would've had to go to a private venue.
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http://fox13now.com/2014/10/15/anit...pearance-due-to-death-threats-utahs-gun-laws/
According to Salt Lake City defense attorney Greg Skordas, the university would have been within their legal rights to restrict firearms to the specific location, given the threats.

“I don’t think anyone can read state law to say that a person can carry a firearm on a university campus at all times, for any reason,” explained Skordas. “There are certainly some exceptions to that, and this case seemed to have some basis for people to consider those exceptions.”

USU Spokesman Tim Vitale said the school believes it was following the state code; however, it will review the law, again.

Vitale contends they did everything within their authority to ensure the safety of Sarkeesian, as well as students and staff.
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It's a damn shame that who ever posted the threat was able to preform this kind of censorship, but I think Anita acted responsibly by canceling. It's not a risk worth taking, and even if they checked everyone entering who would make sure that no feminist looking student out on campus would not be killed?

I hope the authorities takes this threat seriously, finds the bastard and looks them away. Legitimate threat or not, people need to learn that you can't get away with death threats in on line mediums or even of line for that matter.
 
TheBaldEmperor said:
What is the actual likelihood that this person is caught? I'd like to see whoever it is be exposed and held accountable.
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I wanted to know that too. The sooner the people start getting charged the sooner people will (hopefully) think twice before doing something like this again. How many times has this happened now ? At least a handful right, and you never hear anything about anyone being caught. All that does is make people feel like they can get away with it. For anyone who knows, did any of the death threats/hacking and releasing of personal info from the various people this year end with arrests to the people that did it ?
 
TheBaldEmperor said:
What is the actual likelihood that this person is caught? I'd like to see whoever it is be exposed and held accountable.
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If that person is (genuinely) sending messages from a third world country like from a random Pakistan internet cafe, you can forget about the government spending any money trying to secure a conviction.
 
ldcommando said:
the actual threat

did not read the whole thread so I don´t if this has been posted, if so, I apologise.
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Where is the direct connection to video games and GamerGate?

The threat is obviously from an anti-feminist. I read that as if he would be making the same threat to any other feminist. Sarkeesian just happens to be the feminist speaking at the time. The threat mentions killing random feminists that have no connections to video games as well as how feminists have ruined his life. The threat lacks specificity towards Sarkeesian, and instead it seems as if it is in reaction to the wider ideology of feminism. (Edit:Poster below spent a bit too much time after missing my point. The threat lacks a specificity towards her that couldn't be applied towards any other feminist. I think the reference to fantasizing is the writer telling us what makes her a feminist. Taking this as a serious threat; I would be worried about this individual near any feminist - not just limited to those involved in video games. Wow.)

She did the right thing by canceling. I would have as well.

A couple of posters have noted that Sarkeesian said the threat directly mentioned GamerGate. Is there a quote or link that I may have missed?

I hope they find the emailer and put him away.
 
devilhawk said:
Where is the direct connection to video games and GamerGate?

The threat is obviously from an anti-feminist. I read that as if he would be making the same threat to any other feminist. Sarkeesian just happens to be the feminist speaking at the time. The threat mentions killing random feminists that have no connections to video games as well as how feminists have ruined his life. The threat lacks specificity towards Sarkeesian, and instead it seems as if it is in reaction to the wider ideology of feminism.

She did the right thing by canceling. I would have as well.

A couple of posters have noted that Sarkeesian said the threat directly mentioned GamerGate. Is there a quote or link that I may have missed?

I hope they find the emailer and put him away.
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devilhawk said:
The threat lacks specificity towards Sarkeesian
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