Just being a bunch of thugs derailing the thread.
Unruly Thugs Wreak Havok in College Town
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Gordon Shumway
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Half and half
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Things will never get better for these people until they solve the problems in their community.
I'm a white dude (a white dude from Central Indiana who is about as white as you can get without listening to country music and wearing The North Face jackets) who is a fairly consistent poster in the BCT and I think you're being a dick head who is offended that white people are being referred to as thugs instead of black people. These white people were being unruly thugs. You are being a shit head because you are afraid of white people being called by a shitty term used as code for black people. And for that, you need to look at your perspective and why that bothers you.
terrisus
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To be fair, if people were actually interested in discussing the topic, they probably would have done so in the thread on this topic that was done the day before.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Is that supposed to excuse something
This is the first thread I saw on the subject, and was not aware of the previous threads
terrisus
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Post 38 in this thread:
Usually duplicate threads get locked.
So, I guess this thread must serve an additional purpose.
Gordon Shumway
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I didn't see it, to be honest (until your post). Then again, I'm fresh off a misunderstood ban and the weekend tends to distract me from most things Internet..that isn't SingStar
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Dude, usually your pedantry is faintly amusing but I only see you using it here to excuse something
I saw maxcriden's post AFTER entering this thread, and decided to post in here instead of going to other threads that were already off the front page, because of the childish displays of irrational anger
sorry
ComputerMKII
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Isn't Havok a physics engine?
terrisus
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Just another case of Mass people coming into NH and causing trouble. Side effect of being a "destination state".
Necromanti
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When I hear "pumpkin festival", I would have imagined a peaceful and jovial gathering. Guess not.
Bay Maximus
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It's the culture. If it weren't for the high-divorce culture there this type of stuff wouldn't happen. Where are the fathers?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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You'd have to be feeling some kind of way to make the response, so
toastyToast
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See this thread thinking, "Please don't be black."
Open it up and someone is mad coz they're white
Open it up and someone is mad coz they're white
Yaphett Kotto
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Pretty much.
Some kind of 'why are so many cats around here desperate to pick a goad people to prove a point that they won't even outright state' way.
Notice how the dude didn't even object to calling white people thugs, only the paper thin motivation behind doing so. Now everyone pretends he's upset about poor white people when he's actually just fed up of disingenuous bullshit.
Meanwhile everyone outside the US looks on and says 'what the fuck is all this about?' because we don't all adhere to the endless list of dog whistles and coded language that seems to define all discourse over there.
Like I said, weak.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Would you prefer me to state the point for you clearly Dave
"Some people have no problem referring to black people as thugs as a safe word for nigger regardless of the actual behavior involved (Richard Sherman) or the circumstances of usage (Thug Kitchen), and will endlessly downplay the reality of coded language because their simple minds can't understand that saying a word CAN have other meanings in SOME situations doesn't mean they can't ever use it again. (Note, this is only in the US which is the only country to be founded and built on genocide and slavery to such an extensive degree.)"
ok?
Yes. That's perfect.
You actually want to talk about this, make a thread called 'linguistic double standards pertaining to racial politics' or similar. Not this transparent bullshit. Talk in good faith.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Well the problem is that this has been stated unequivocally several times before in multiple threads and it's still not good enough for some people.
Everyone is sick of hearing about race on Gaf. It's not fun. It makes them feel guilty. We're too sensitive. Were social justice warriors. We're children who slept through history class.
And yes, I agree that the thread was extremely fucking transparent. So much so that no one in their right mind and smart enough would have expressed anger at the title or intent.
But here we are.
ITT wilful ignorance and mischaracterisation.
You think this was a better way?!
Nobody gives a fuck about the title, only the intent.
ITT some whites whining that black people need to bring up the topic of race on their terms.
Nothing I said was false. If you think so then argue against what I said.
Nothing I said was false. If you think so then argue against what I said.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Nah. Collect your 'internet victory' badge, I'm done.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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How do you feel about the riot, stutte
stufte
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Buncha thugs.
LOL, you responded to me, not the other way around. See ya later.
The same type of satire is used in threads CONSTANTLY. Like...multiple times every single day on GAF. Yet when it's illustrating racism some members(most or all of which are not affected by said racism) come out of the woodwork to get upset. Weird how that works.
metalslimer
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This, I really don't see the difference between this and those sure are looking good threads. I also have to wonder if the few who got mad at the actual title have every actually participated in a serious conversation about race because honestly it seems weird for this to be something that would make you "want to throw up". Either you someone who fights against racism and thinks this trivializes racial issues somehow (even then I would find it strange), or the concept of whites being targeted in racial satire is the issue.
Vicetrailia
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I really liking this thread 
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.It does trivialise this issue. That's why it's different from the obvious meme 'this celebrity looks like shit' thread. This isn't about the injustice of language, it's about scoring cheap points. It's about waiting for someone to point out the intent behind this thread, and then mischaracterising that as 'oh, he's upset because someone called a white person a thug!'.
Marky Mark
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Crying with laughter up here
Up here? That could mean a lot of things.
SapientWolf
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That's precisely the point: that dog whistles and coded language are used in abundance to express racism in an acceptable manner. OK, you don't get America's brand of racism, whatever, but I'd think a Brit could appreciate how effective a weapon sarcasm can be. If someone's stung by it, well, he or she may want to employ introspection and evaluate why it's personally upsetting. Being upset at veiled bigotry seems reasonable; being upset at clear sarcasm crafted to undress that bigotry does not.
I've got nothing but love for wry wit and dry sarcasm to make a point, but not where DreamDrop is concerned. Dude's as subtle as a brick though a plate glass window and there's nothing clever behind the facade. The reactions to Admiral show exactly that, an inability to read what he's saying, only reactions to projections of what people wanted him to say.
I do get this issue. I have no objection to the concept that 'thug' is a widely used keyword for 'young black male' in American media and that they're hypocritical as fuck when it comes to applying the same label to good ol' wholesome Brock The White Guy when he's tearing shit up. I see that. I think a lot of people can see that, or at least be shown that if they're from a place where 'thug' just means 'generic hooligan'.
Doesn't make this snidy back-biting style any more clever or satirical, especially when the dude is dopey enough to make his intentions perfectly clear in other threads on this public forum. He's a master baiter.
Who is catching feels over this and why is quite revealing about some people
Who is catching feels. Who? The guy that stayed around for several posts after people started piling on misreading him, the guy whose clear thesis was "It would be great if more people could be direct and just discuss stuff freely without resorting to irony or sarcasm."? I dunno if I'd characterize "I rolled my eyes at how lame OP is" as being particularly upset.
But this was the least effective sarcasm ever. There's no bite at all. It's flat caricatures of dumb shit white people say and then get criticized for saying. Meanwhile this specific case doesn't even demonstrate any kind of hypocrisy at all. The article in the OP is super dry run down of the facts. There's nothing in there downplaying the violence or being affectionate toward the hooligans. We could find any number of articles about the Fergusson that read exactly like this re the protests.
Not a single person in this thread even expressed anything you could read as "being stung" at anything.
I think you're missing the point -- not about the coded language, which you understand, but about the use of sarcasm. I'll admit I do not know DreamDrop (or Admiral, for that matter) but do recognize some of the other American posters in this thread and have seen the same none-too-subtle sarcastic "what is about white youth culture that leads them to do these things" from them. And I don't take issue with it -- in fact, I sympathize with it -- because I understand that, as an expression of frustration, it's supposed to be brazen and caustic. You won't find anything particularly clever or subtle where this is concerned because it's designed to hold a mirror to a bigotry that itself is not particularly clever or subtle.
Brakke said:
But you will not find media (or American people in general) attributing this violence and hooliganism to white American culture as you would them attributing this to black American culture in circumstances where the rabble-rousers are primarily black.
LMAO. The thread in a nutshell:
OP makes a passive aggressive, snarky, disingenuous bait-thread. Some poor sap calls him out on it, OP's buddies from BCT and all the other usual suspects swarm him. Of course the guy then leaves the thread out of fear of being banned, as the current climate doesn't allow for anyone to be out of line with the progressive vision. Then byakuya comes in and mocks him for retreating.
Meanwhile, not a single person in the thread objected to calling those kids thugs or any other word. The point he or she was trying to make blew up in OP's face, but the SJW still want to act like they there's a victory to be had here.
MoonsaultSlayer
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This is correct usage though. "Thug" should never have become a racial slur.
Having known the story, the thread title made me "hell yeah, we're taking 'unruly thug' back". No, it actually made me glad to see it used without the implication of race. Unfortunately, closet racists got all offended.
*Trying to sound humane: "Guys, don't call black people that."
*Sees white people being called the same term: "Whoa whoa whoa, do NOT compare us like that!"
Having known the story, the thread title made me "hell yeah, we're taking 'unruly thug' back". No, it actually made me glad to see it used without the implication of race. Unfortunately, closet racists got all offended.
*Trying to sound humane: "Guys, don't call black people that."
*Sees white people being called the same term: "Whoa whoa whoa, do NOT compare us like that!"
Except that didn't happen. The OP, and apparently you, wanted it to happen, but it didn't. His little social experiment backfired, and the thirst for outrage unquenched, he had to lash out at people who called him out on it.
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