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[XANDER CAGE]

Redeeming themselves? No way.

Seems like 343 are adopting the George Lucas approach to franchise development - churn out maximum content with an apparent active distain for quality control.

H4 was an insult to the community they inherited. That web series was an embarrassment, and I have little hope that the new one will be any better.

Have no doubt that MCC will be a wonderful time, especially the PvP, but there's something cheap and nasty about the whole thing. Something forced and awkward.


Ask yourself this: would Bungie have released this package?

I'm straining to try and see how four games - arguably most of which are classics - in one package is "cheap and nasty." The recently released GTA San Andreas port on 360 is cheap and nasty.

Frankly I don't care if Bungie would have released it or not. It's the first truly great value proposition in this current era of rereleases and remasters.

 

[Amir0x]

It's nice, but it's them going over gameplay ideals that were already mapped out for them, no matter how extensive the remake of Halo 2 is. I need to see them deliver such goods in their own Halo games, where they have to prove they understand what makes Halo tick for themselves.

 

[Prine]

That was by far the worst part of the story. Making Cortana seem so vulnerable and really pushing her as a love interest for the Chief was extremely cringe-worthy. It's like a sci-fi action variant of the movie Her.

It was more interesting to watch. Not cringe worthy at all, but did inject a lot of emotion & urgency into the story.

Redeeming themselves? No way.

Seems like 343 are adopting the George Lucas approach to franchise development - churn out maximum content with an apparent active distain for quality control.

H4 was an insult to the community they inherited. That web series was an embarrassment, and I have little hope that the new one will be any better.

Have no doubt that MCC will be a wonderful time, especially the PvP, but there's something cheap and nasty about the whole thing. Something forced and awkward.


Ask yourself this: would Bungie have released this package?

Cheap and nasty? This is the most comprehensive remaster of any game, please show me what's cheap an nasty?

They've rebuilt halo 2, threw in co op online for Halo 1, brought everything up to 1080/60fps and made every map available for online match making, clearly put together for the love of Halo and for the fans. Now explain yourself, can't say these things without backing it up.

 

[Thug Waffle]

It was more interesting to watch. Not cringe worthy at all, but did inject a lot of emotion & urgency into the story.

I definitely cringed.

 

[Amir0x]

I definitely cringed.

yeah it was cringe worthy to the extreme. Ridiculous and unjustified addition.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

It was more interesting to watch. Not cringe worthy at all, but did inject a lot of emotion & urgency into the story.

It repeated a character arc that had already happened in Halo 3. It was unnecessary.

 

[Zombine]

Halo 4 is the Assassins Creed 3 of this franchise. Halo 5 will be the make or break moment for the series, and MCC is a decent apology for that garbage multiplayer featured in 4.

 

[Bungie's]

They've redeemed themselves by releasing old games made by somebody else?

.

 

[z2114422]

Ask yourself this: would Bungie have released this package?

They released Destiny.

 

[Prine]

It repeated a character arc that had already happened in Halo 3. It was unnecessary.

That arc was quite forgettable for me, so I didn't even notice it, but did in Halo 4.

Don't make a girl a promise you can't keep. Thought that was quite powerful.

 

[Lasty95]

They released Destiny.

Exactly, my friend.

An imperfect masterpiece held back by its own ambition, vs a up-ressed compilation of a better studios work.

Let's also not forget that most who are interested in this package will own all of these games already, multiple times in some cases. They're essentially charging us to access the mp of games we already own.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a Bone is be all over this, but the reason I don't have one essentialy boils down to the death of my favourite franchise at the hands of this same studio.

Id love to see 343 redeem themselves. But they haven't yet.

 

[King Beyond the wall]

It was more interesting to watch. Not cringe worthy at all, but did inject a lot of emotion & urgency into the story.

It was very cringe worthy and ridiculous.

On topic, halo 5 will decide whether 343 are redeemed.

 

[jem0208]

Exactly, my friend.

An imperfect masterpiece held back by its own ambition, vs a up-ressed compilation of a better studios work.

Let's also not forget that most who are interested in this package will own all of these games already, multiple times in some cases. They're essentially charging us to access the mp of games we already own.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a Bone is be all over this, but the reason I don't have one essentialy boils down to the death of my favourite franchise at the hands of this same studio.

Id love to see 343 redeem themselves. But they haven't yet.

Hah, aha. Ha.


Considering Destiny a "masterpiece" is hilarious.


I am so very glad Bungie left Halo. After how Reach and Destiny turned out, a Bungie made Halo 4 would have been a disaster many times worse than 343's Halo 4.

 

[King Beyond the wall]

Hah, aha. Ha.


Considering Destiny a "masterpiece" is hilarious.


I am so very glad Bungie left Halo. After how Reach and Destiny turned out, a Bungie made Halo 4 would have been a disaster many times worse than 343's Halo 4.

Making a a Halo game worse than Halo 4 would be an achievement I consider virtually impossible.

 

[jem0208]

Making a a Halo game worse than Halo 4 would be an achievement I consider virtually impossible.

Destiny is that virtual impossibility. So is Reach.

Spoiler

Although I contest that Halo 4 was actually an excellent game however it didn't live up to CE, 2 and 3. Better than Reach though.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

That arc was quite forgettable for me, so I didn't even notice it, but did in Halo 4.

Don't make a girl a promise you can't keep. Thought that was quite powerful.

It was a stupid arc that practically revamped Cortana's whole character to fit into the stock cheesy emotional moments the writers clearly wanted to have.

In every other Halo game, Cortana is a level-headed guide whose strongest character moments - and granted, they're small - come from overcoming extreme pressures like the Gravemind's intrusion and talking the chief through nearly dying several times. She has a sense of fatalism about a lot of things and has a dry sense of humor about everything.

All of a sudden in Halo 4 she's a whimpering, nervous wreck over something both characters should have known was coming (especially since it was heavily foreshadowed in 3 anyway). There are so many holes in this sudden change - how on earth does chief not know how long his only friend has been in service? Why is Cortana, who has stared down death (or whatever happens to AIs) multiple times throughout the series, suddenly terrified? Why does she try and hide it for the first part of the game when, again, it seemed like it was being foreshadowed in 3 and again, should be common knowledge for both characters?

Chief shouldn't be the one trying to talk Cortana off of the ledge in these scenes in Halo 4. The Cortana we know from the previous games would either be entirely comfortable with her impending end and be trying to get Chief to accept it, or be the one stubbornly refusing to accept it and demanding Chief take her to Halsey.

I realize it's silly to get this grumpy about a purple naked lady in a game about shooting aliens but Halo 4 did a huge disservice to her character.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Redeeming themselves? No way.

Seems like 343 are adopting the George Lucas approach to franchise development - churn out maximum content with an apparent active distain for quality control.

H4 was an insult to the community they inherited. That web series was an embarrassment, and I have little hope that the new one will be any better.

Have no doubt that MCC will be a wonderful time, especially the PvP, but there's something cheap and nasty about the whole thing. Something forced and awkward.


Ask yourself this: would Bungie have released this package?

You can't further insult a community that endured Reach.

 

[Scully Scully Scoo]

after finishing halo 4 i felt i was done with the franchise but halo collection is just too good a deal to pass up on. tbh its not even a 343 thing because reach was also terrible, the last good halo game was halo 3 (havnt played odst but heard its good), the franchise has been on decline since.

halo 4 was such a disappointment though its going to take more than a collection for 343 to redeem themselves. halo 5 NEEDS to be good

 

[Arnie]

They've done a great job curating and updating the best bits of Halo content created by others, but ultimately it'll be there ability to actually build on the franchise with Halo 5 that redeems their work on Halo 4.

The problem they face is a lot of the systems and elements they either introduced or expanded upon from Reach need completely removing for that to happen. And I don't think that's feasible. I don't believe they will do that. And I don't believe that anything new added will build on the legacy of the franchise which is so evident in the likes of Halo 2.

 

[Lasty95]

You can't further insult a community that endured Reach.

I don't think that's fair.

Reach had major issue, no doubt, but stands as a Halo proper.

The campaign was actually very good, I'd say. Not the weakest in the series by any means.

MP was broken. AA's and weird movement wrecked it, and I didn't play for it for long.

Bungie made some design decisions that didn't work out, but it's wasn't an insult.

H4 on the other hand was a cynical, made-by-committee bore-fest designed to appeal to the COD crowd and ignored completely what made the series great in the first place.

Again, I'd love MCC if I had a Bone, but again, that's because Bungie made a wonderful series of games that will always be a joy to play. 343 sticking them all together in a single awkward package does not 'redeem' them in any way.

 

[jem0208]

I don't think that's fair.

Reach had major issue, no doubt, but stands as a Halo proper.

The campaign was actually very good, I'd say. Not the weakest in the series by any means.

MP was broken. AA's and weird movement wrecked it, and I didn't play for it for long.

Bungie made some design decisions that didn't work out, and but it's wasn't an insult.

H4 on the other hand was a cynical, made-by-committee bore-fest designed to appeal to the COD crowd and ignored completely what made the series great in the first place.

Again, I'd love MCC if I had a Bone, but again, that's because Bungie made a wonderful series of games that will always be a joy to play. 343 sticking them all together in a single awkward package does not 'redeem' them in any way.

That is just plainly wrong. The core gameplay of 4 is very Halo and is actually very good. Far exceeds Reach which was hampered by plodding movement speed, long kill times, bloom and armour lock. All of which served to slow the gameplay down

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I don't think that's fair.

Reach had major issue, no doubt, but stands as a Halo proper.

The campaign was actually very good, I'd say. Not the weakest in the series by any means.

MP was broken. AA's and weird movement wrecked it, and I didn't play for it for long.

Bungie made some design decisions that didn't work out, and but it's wasn't an insult.

H4 on the other hand was a cynical, made-by-committee bore-fest designed to appeal to the COD crowd and ignored completely what made the series great in the first place.

Again, I'd love MCC if I had a Bone, but again, that's because Bungie made a wonderful series of games that will always be a joy to play. 343 sticking them all together in a single awkward package does not 'redeem' them in any way.

I think it's more than fair and entirely accurate. I also don't believe it's accurate to pretend that Reach didn't start the CoD crowd chasing that Halo 4 sadly further built on.

Reach is the weak link and Halo 4 was the result of building on that weak link.

We'll see where Guardians goes, but I am least glad we've got the classic Halo gameplay back with OG Halo 2 and Halo 3. That alone keeps the franchise alive for me the rest of this generation.

 

[VeeP]

Gimme the remaining 19 Halo 2 maps with updated Anniversary visuals please.

As much as an amazingly unprecedented deal and package the MCC is, I'm still annoyed that only six of the Halo 2 maps got remastered. Watching the game play of those maps and then classic Halo 2 maps is night and day difference. It just feels incomplete

Sure. Certain Affinity is a small team. Even six maps was hard to do. But they couldn't get another team, or even folks at 343 to give the remaining maps the proper treatment? It just seems off and inconsistent to me.

DLC maybe? Please? I'd pay for it.

Probably not gonna happen. All of 343i is getting ready for Halo 5. On a slightly positive note, Halo 5 beta comes out December 31st I think. Maybe it'll be really good?

 

[dragonelite]

Gimme the remaining 19 Halo 2 maps with updated Anniversary visuals please.

As much as an amazingly unprecedented deal and package the MCC is, I'm still annoyed that only six of the Halo 2 maps got remastered. Watching the game play of those maps and then classic Halo 2 maps is night and day difference. It just feels incomplete

Sure. Certain Affinity is a small team. Even six maps was hard to do. But they couldn't get another team, or even folks at 343 to give the remaining maps the proper treatment? It just seems off and inconsistent to me.

DLC maybe? Please? I'd pay for it.

Im so for this, one of the few times you will see me beg for DLC
/confused

But the forge preview looked good maybe the community can make some good remakes. And 343 can add them into the rotation!!

 

[Man]

By enhancing 75% Bungie made content?

edit: Would like to point out that Halo 4 was Great. Only disappointment being the A.I of the forerunners.

 

[Marvel]

No because they only made 4. Though the MCC is an awesome idea and I will be buying it, let me see Halo 5 first.

That will tell me whether or not they've redeemed themselves as far as developing the next Halo games.

 

[RPGam3r]

I don't think 343 needs redeemed. Halo 4 was a great game and a great Halo game. MCC is just a nice looking gap filler till we get 5.

 

[z2114422]

I don't think that's fair.

Reach had major issue, no doubt, but stands as a Halo proper.

The campaign was actually very good, I'd say. Not the weakest in the series by any means.

MP was broken. AA's and weird movement wrecked it, and I didn't play for it for long.

Bungie made some design decisions that didn't work out, but it's wasn't an insult.

H4 on the other hand was a cynical, made-by-committee bore-fest designed to appeal to the COD crowd and ignored completely what made the series great in the first place.

Again, I'd love MCC if I had a Bone, but again, that's because Bungie made a wonderful series of games that will always be a joy to play. 343 sticking them all together in a single awkward package does not 'redeem' them in any way.

Personally I like HALO4, though I understand why many old fans hate it.
343 made some really stoopid choices such as infinity sprint, similar weapons and perks which make objective playlist unfair. However, it has the best narration so far, and the core play, such as shooting mechnism, movement speed, etc., is actually really good. Not to mention the jaw-dropping visual.

On the other hand, Reach is somehow not-so-impressive.
Stuck in the middle between conventional and modernization, Bungie failed to deliver any memorable scenes. MP is slow-paced. SP is dumb. Still a good game though, but inferior compared with other HALO games including 4.

MCC is a love letter from 343 to the franchise fans. They don't have to do this, but they choose to look back at their roots and try to bring them back. I am quite sure they can re-learn why HALO was so popular in the process they make MCC and turn the experience into making HALO 5 a better game. It is NOT a lazy decision, but exactly the opposite.

 

[ICPEE]

A thread asking if a game that isn't out yet redeemed an entire studio?

Can we have one next week about The Phantom Pain being the best MGS in the franchise? Can you make that one? I don't feel like making it.

Be sure to ask at the end what everyone's thoughts are based on the E3 videos and stuff.

I know. This thread makes no god damn sense at all. Halo 5 is not even out yet.

 

[jesu]

Redeeming themselves? No way.

Seems like 343 are adopting the George Lucas approach to franchise development - churn out maximum content with an apparent active distain for quality control.

H4 was an insult to the community they inherited. That web series was an embarrassment, and I have little hope that the new one will be any better.

Have no doubt that MCC will be a wonderful time, especially the PvP, but there's something cheap and nasty about the whole thing. Something forced and awkward.


Ask yourself this: would Bungie have released this package?

Bungie would have ripped out half the content and sold as DLC or as part of the sequel.
I'm looking at you Chicago.

I know. This thread makes no god damn sense at all. Halo 5 is not even out yet.

It's about the Master Chef Collection and all the amazing things 343i have done to it.

 

[HocusPocus]

Bungie has lost a lot of the talent that made them great. Anyone believing that 343is doing halo a disservice and that only bungie can build a proper halo is crazy.

 

[ICPEE]

Bungie would have ripped out half the content and sold as DLC or as part of the sequel.
I'm looking at you Chicago.



It's about the Master Chef Collection and all the amazing things 343i have done to it.

So they have redeemed themselves by remastering games created by another studio?

 

[jesu]

So they have redeemed themselves by remastering games created by another studio?

No, they redeemed themselves by outsourcing the remastering to other studios.
343i did the UI.

 

[RinSatori]

Its mostly all outsourced so no lol

 

[BruiserBear]

That arc was quite forgettable for me, so I didn't even notice it, but did in Halo 4.

Don't make a girl a promise you can't keep. Thought that was quite powerful.

I kinda liked that bit as well. The story of Halo 4 was still a mess though. It's a shame too, because it had huge moments of promise here and there.

 

[Head.spawn]

Exactly, my friend.

An imperfect masterpiece held back by its own ambition, vs a up-ressed compilation of a better studios work.

Let's also not forget that most who are interested in this package will own all of these games already, multiple times in some cases. They're essentially charging us to access the mp of games we already own.

Don't get me wrong, if I had a Bone is be all over this, but the reason I don't have one essentialy boils down to the death of my favourite franchise at the hands of this same studio.

Id love to see 343 redeem themselves. But they haven't yet.

"Imperfect Masterpiece"

Lol.

If Destiny was a Halo game, people would have lost their minds over how much of a fuck up that game is. Relative to how bad that reaction would've been, I'd say the game released relatively unscathed.

 

[soulassssns]

I kinda liked that bit as well. The story of Halo 4 was still a mess though. It's a shame too, because it had huge moments of promise here and there.

It was? Not to me, but then again I am not overly dramatic. Multiplayer was a different story but those issues were mostly towards the pro and wannabe pro players IMO.

 

[Jobbs]

They've redeemed themselves by releasing old games made by somebody else?

My first reaction.

 

[ICPEE]

No, they redeemed themselves by outsourcing the remastering to other studios.
343i did the UI.

Oh, even worse then. They fed the work to someone else. Ok

 

[jem0208]

"Imperfect Masterpiece"

Lol.

If Destiny was a Halo game, people would have lost their minds over how much of a fuck up that game is. Relative to how bad that reaction would've been, I'd say the game released relatively unscathed.

If Destiny had been a Halo game that would have been the end of the series. No question about it.

 

[Clockwork]

So you have a project in which multiple companies are collaborating (Saber Interactive, Certain Affinity, Ruffian, 343i, and Blur) to remaster and port work established by another company (Bungie) and not only are people giving credit to mostly 343i (which aside from Blur doing cinematics is probably the least amount of work) but they will consider it the project the redeems them as a company? Forget that fact that the game isn't even out yet, this is just fucking asinine.

 

[MANGOD]

Switching between engines should have been an option in H2, its something I'll use a few times within the first 10 mins of playing and never again.

 

[ICPEE]

So you have a project in which multiple companies are collaborating (Saber Interactive, Certain Affinity, Ruffian, 343i, and Blur) to remaster and port work established by another company (Bungie) and not only are people giving credit to mostly 343i (which aside from Blur doing cinematics is probably the least amount of work) but they will consider it the project the redeems them as a company? Forget that fact that the game isn't even out yet, this is just fucking asinine.

Aye. It doesnt make a lick of sense. Had this been purely about Halo 5 or Halo 4 i would understand as its both 343i's baby. But this...

 

[jesu]

Oh, even worse then. They fed the work to someone else. Ok

Did I mention they did the UI?

 

[Primethius]

That is just plainly wrong. The core gameplay of 4 is very Halo and is actually very good. Far exceeds Reach which was hampered by plodding movement speed, long kill times, bloom and armour lock. All of which served to slow the gameplay down

Unless you are also a fan of campaigns in Halo games. In which case, Reach shits all over 4's generic, uninspired and forgettable campaign. I think I played through 4's campaign twice and I hated every moment of it. The only Halo campaign I've played that's in the single digits. Absolutely awful in every way bar the graphics.

 

[ICPEE]

Did I mention they did the UI?

Thats great. Groundbreaking stuff.

 

[edornob]

Hah, aha. Ha.


Considering Destiny a "masterpiece" is hilarious.


I am so very glad Bungie left Halo. After how Reach and Destiny turned out, a Bungie made Halo 4 would have been a disaster many times worse than 343's Halo 4.

Destiny is still better than Halo 4 and I like Halo 4

 

[kick51]

game is not even out yet

classic gaf

 

[mcrommert]

Destiny is still better than Halo 4 and I like Halo 4

You are out of your mind.

I hope some of you go back and play halo 4 when the MCC comes out and realize how stupid you sound.

 

[iMax]

Despite all the outsourcing, bear in mind 343i is also responsible for the overall production and the entire backend for all four games. It's a generous undertaking, y'know considering they're making an actual all-new Halo game at the same time.