Am I the only one that chooses not to vote?

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I feel like I'm the only one that actually sees what's going on.

Red, blue, left, right, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative....it doesn't matter. They're all the same. Corporations own this country and they control everything that takes place in Washington. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars to "influence" congressional opinions, and they have 3rd party organizations and lobbying groups that practically work alongside politicians to create legislation that fits their needs.

Politicians don't care about Americans...they just don't. Most of them are lavishly rich, and like most people, they care about themselves, their families, and their own self interests. I cringe every time I see one of them donning blue jeans and a buttoned down shirt while talking and shaking hands with Americans in rural areas. It's just a PR move. They're actors. They couldn't care less.

And yet, every year, Americans seem to get galvanized behind a given politician. People seem to think that once their guy gets elected, their lives will suddenly improve and everything will be wonderful. In the end, nothing changes.

It's why I just can't bring myself to vote. To go and vote is a vote of support for this entire, incredibly corrupt system. It's a vote for a person who doesn't know and doesn't care who I am. Worst of all, people are indoctrinated at a young age to go and vote because it's such a unique "right", as we have a "choice" about who we choose to put in office. Yeah, what an amazing "choice" we have. In reality, we get to choose the puppet that serves as the face for corporate America, because it's the rich corporations that are actually pulling the strings.
 
Oh great, another one of those "Both parties are the same" failacies...
 
Cse said:
I feel like I'm the only one that actually sees what's going on.

Red, blue, left, right, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative....it doesn't matter. They're all the same. Corporations own this country and they control everything that takes place in Washington. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars to "influence" congressional opinions, and they have 3rd party organizations and lobbying groups that practically work alongside politicians to create legislation that fits their needs.

Politicians don't care about Americans...they just don't. Most of them are lavishly rich, and like most people, they care about themselves, their families, and their own self interests. I cringe every time I see one of them donning blue jeans and a buttoned down shirt while talking and shaking hands with Americans in rural areas. It's just a PR move. They're actors. They couldn't care less.

And yet, every year, Americans seem to get galvanized behind a given politician. People seem to think that once their guy gets elected, their lives will suddenly improve and everything will be wonderful. In the end, nothing changes.

It's why I just can't bring myself to vote. To go and vote is a vote of support for this entire, incredibly corrupt system. It's a vote for a person who doesn't know and doesn't care who I am. Worst of all, people are indoctrinated at a young age to go and vote because it's such a unique "right" for us to have a choice about who choose to put in office. Yeah, what an amazing "choice" we have. In reality, we get to choose the puppet that serves as the face for corporate America, because it's the rich corporations that are actually pulling the strings.
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You live off the system and pay taxes into the system and you aren't doing anything to change the system, so you aren't actually doing anything.
 
I didnt vote the last couple times. I'm going to today. No real strong conviction either way, my vote is only going to really count in the city council race.
 
Cse said:
I feel like I'm the only one that actually sees what's going on.

Red, blue, left, right, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative....it doesn't matter. They're all the same. Corporations own this country and they control everything that takes place in Washington. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars to "influence" congressional opinions, and they have 3rd party organizations and lobbying groups that practically work alongside politicians to create legislation that fits their needs.

Politicians don't care about Americans...they just don't. Most of them are lavishly rich, and like most people, they care about themselves, their families, and their own self interests. I cringe every time I see one of them donning blue jeans and a buttoned down shirt while talking and shaking hands with Americans in rural areas. It's just a PR move. They're actors. They couldn't care less.

And yet, every year, Americans seem to get galvanized behind a given politician. People seem to think that once their guy gets elected, their lives will suddenly improve and everything will be wonderful. In the end, nothing changes.

It's why I just can't bring myself to vote. To go and vote is a vote of support for this entire, incredibly corrupt system. It's a vote for a person who doesn't know and doesn't care who I am. Worst of all, people are indoctrinated at a young age to go and vote because it's such a unique "right", as we have a "choice" about who choose to put in office. Yeah, what an amazing "choice" we have. In reality, we get to choose the puppet that serves as the face for corporate America, because it's the rich corporations that are actually pulling the strings.
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You're apart of the fucking problem. Shame on you.
 
So you think there's no difference? Literally? Not even case by case on value choices? Equality, abortion, welfare. These things go in very different directions depending on who's in power. Maybe in the end all politicians will disappoint you because they have to play the game, but along the way hugely important choices are s till made.
 
You're not, in fact you're probably the majority during these midterm elections.
No one turns out when it isn't presidential.
 
Nope. I can't vote because I'm not a citizen yet, but when I am able to vote, I won't. I feel like it really doesn't matter at all.
 
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Count me among the disenfranchised. I rarely vote, and definitely didn't vote during this election cycle.
 
One party is definitely better than the other (depending on what your views are), but both are crappy in general because there is no 3rd major alternative to provide incentive for the others to truly compete with rational policies for the public's vote. Also the fact that corporations and large interests dictate much of their existing policy doesn't help.
 
Cse said:
I feel like I'm the only one that actually sees what's going on.

Red, blue, left, right, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative....it doesn't matter. They're all the same. Corporations own this country and they control everything that takes place in Washington. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars to "influence" congressional opinions, and they have 3rd party organizations and lobbying groups that practically work alongside politicians to create legislation that fits their needs.

Politicians don't care about Americans...they just don't. Most of them are lavishly rich, and like most people, they care about themselves, their families, and their own self interests. I cringe every time I see one of them donning blue jeans and a buttoned down shirt while talking and shaking hands with Americans in rural areas. It's just a PR move. They're actors. They couldn't care less.

And yet, every year, Americans seem to get galvanized behind a given politician. People seem to think that once their guy gets elected, their lives will suddenly improve and everything will be wonderful. In the end, nothing changes.

It's why I just can't bring myself to vote. To go and vote is a vote of support for this entire, incredibly corrupt system. It's a vote for a person who doesn't know and doesn't care who I am. Worst of all, people are indoctrinated at a young age to go and vote because it's such a unique "right", as we have a "choice" about who choose to put in office. Yeah, what an amazing "choice" we have. In reality, we get to choose the puppet that serves as the face for corporate America, because it's the rich corporations that are actually pulling the strings.
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Let's try a simple though experiement.
If McCain was elected over Obama and had two terms, would we have Obamacare? If we wouldn't, it must be true that some things would be different. If there are things that are different then it must be false that who you choose causes no substantial difference in the outcome of national policy. Now, can you think, would there be other things that presidents would do differently?

Saying "It's all exactly the same" is lazy, uninformed thinking.
 
You're far from alone. There's very little participation in elections. And yours is a very common view point. One that I hate and strongly disagree with, but very common nonetheless.
 
Nah, you're in the majority alongside the lazy people who can't be bothered.

I dunno if the majority also does the whole "ZOMG sheeple!" "I am the only sane man in an insane world!" "Both sides are the same!" justification thing, but you're definitely not alone in not bothering to vote.
 
Wow, you mean that organized groups with lots of resources actively work in their own interests?

As an individual, obviously you are powerless compared to a corporation, but your vote still counts. Even if you think the national level of politics is nothing but corrupted assholes, you should still try to care about things on a local level where you can make more of a difference.

If you really do feel that way about the candidates, then don't vote for them. Do realize that your inaction has consequences, too, though.
 
Cse said:
I think you have every right to complain if you didn't vote, as you're not responsible for hiring any of the moronic puppets that work in Washington.
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Even choosing the lesser of two evils has the chance to at least change circumstances. Probably not drastically but the chance still exists.
 
Cse said:
I feel like I'm the only one that actually sees what's going on.

Red, blue, left, right, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative....it doesn't matter. They're all the same. Corporations own this country and they control everything that takes place in Washington. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars to "influence" congressional opinions, and they have 3rd party organizations and lobbying groups that practically work alongside politicians to create legislation that fits their needs.

Politicians don't care about Americans...they just don't. Most of them are lavishly rich, and like most people, they care about themselves, their families, and their own self interests. I cringe every time I see one of them donning blue jeans and a buttoned down shirt while talking and shaking hands with Americans in rural areas. It's just a PR move. They're actors. They couldn't care less.

And yet, every year, Americans seem to get galvanized behind a given politician. People seem to think that once their guy gets elected, their lives will suddenly improve and everything will be wonderful. In the end, nothing changes.

It's why I just can't bring myself to vote. To go and vote is a vote of support for this entire, incredibly corrupt system. It's a vote for a person who doesn't know and doesn't care who I am. Worst of all, people are indoctrinated at a young age to go and vote because it's such a unique "right", as we have a "choice" about who we choose to put in office. Yeah, what an amazing "choice" we have. In reality, we get to choose the puppet that serves as the face for corporate America, because it's the rich corporations that are actually pulling the strings.
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You've figured it all out eh? Wait until the shadow government that run this country find out about this. Shadow President Obama will be most displeased.

How old are you OP? Based on this line of thinking I'm guessing under 25. A lot of my friends used to think this way until they realized it was dumb and both parties are not the same.
 
I know a lot of people who espouse the same thing the OP does.

I encourage these people to use their vote for a third party. Even if you don't agree with all of the third party's positions, the rise of a viable third party could go a long way toward combating many of the problems mentioned in the OP.

Unfortunately, most of them come up with some other excuse to allow them to stay home and sit on their asses. Coincidentally, these people seem to have a lot of 'principals' that involve inaction and not many that involve action.
 
If I'm uneducated about the candidates I'd be doing people a disservice by casting a vote. I typically stick to presidential elections after watching all the debates and doing a moderate amount of research.
 
Cse said:
I feel like I'm the only one that actually sees what's going on.

Red, blue, left, right, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative....it doesn't matter. They're all the same. Corporations own this country and they control everything that takes place in Washington. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars to "influence" congressional opinions, and they have 3rd party organizations and lobbying groups that practically work alongside politicians to create legislation that fits their needs.

Politicians don't care about Americans...they just don't. Most of them are lavishly rich, and like most people, they care about themselves, their families, and their own self interests. I cringe every time I see one of them donning blue jeans and a buttoned down shirt while talking and shaking hands with Americans in rural areas. It's just a PR move. They're actors. They couldn't care less.

And yet, every year, Americans seem to get galvanized behind a given politician. People seem to think that once their guy gets elected, their lives will suddenly improve and everything will be wonderful. In the end, nothing changes.

It's why I just can't bring myself to vote. To go and vote is a vote of support for this entire, incredibly corrupt system. It's a vote for a person who doesn't know and doesn't care who I am. Worst of all, people are indoctrinated at a young age to go and vote because it's such a unique "right", as we have a "choice" about who we choose to put in office. Yeah, what an amazing "choice" we have. In reality, we get to choose the puppet that serves as the face for corporate America, because it's the rich corporations that are actually pulling the strings.
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They really aren't, but continue thinking that.
 
false equivalencies are just outright laziness.

vote, don't vote, fine. but don't get on a fucking high horse about it.

an incredibly corrupt system. yes, democracy is horrible. can we please replace this with a fascist dictatorship please?
 
Suikoguy said:
Oh great, another one of those "Both parties are the same" failacies...
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Exactly. Stop putting your head up your ass and look at how it actually affects people living at the bottom, you and everyone you know. Who is in office matters even if the political system has broken the process over and over again. It still works to provide and improve services and funding to those organizations which help people at street level regardless of corruption's reach. Stop thinking top-level only and actually pay attention to the influence that their decisions have on the normal citizen, but follow the citizen up through the levels of district, city, county, state, and federal offices and positions that do matter directly to you and your friends, family, and all of those that benefit or suffer from inaction or a lack of enlightened self-interest to find out how your vote matters.
 
Bedameister said:
how low is it?
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Voter turnout in the United States fluctuates in national elections, but has never risen to levels of most other well-established democracies. In countries with compulsory voting, like Australia, Belgium, and Chile, voter turnout hovered near 90% in the 2000s. Other countries, like Austria, Sweden, and Italy, experienced turnout rates near 80%. Overall, OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) countries experience turnout rates of about 70%, while in the U.S., about 60% of the voting eligible population votes during presidential election years, and about 40% votes during midterm elections.
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Konka said:
They really aren't, but continue thinking that.
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In terms of their political philosophy, of course, they're different.

But they're all politicians, and their strings are all being controlled by entities much more powerful than themselves. So yes, in that sense, they are very much the same.
 
Go fill in a write in candidate then.

If you aren't voting in local elections, you're a fool. If the guy living down the street serving as my alderman is bought and paid for by corporations, I'm absolutely impressed by their reach.
 
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