Fighting Games Weekly | Nov 17-23 | Settle it in Smash
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theprodigy
Member
true....I also think this "super good balance" is gonna fall apart as the metagame develops
yes
someone tried to run too much shit in one day on top of poor management, and then, well....
that happens (plus zero Project M)
New Jersey smash
commanderpepper
Member
Hey they were streaming MvC2 yesterday.
CountBlack
Member
Smash studios working on... fucking Diddy Kong
I just love the way the casual Smash audience throws out terms like this only for things like Metaknight and Fox to happen when people go in over time. You'd think they'd learn that you need time to find the bustedness/establish character strengths unless they were glaringly obvious.
Then again, Nintendo being Nintendo could always go nuts with balance patches.
Well played.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Master Milk
Member
Yo tell me about it. I'm trying to understand what's going on just like you
My Day 3 understanding of the game isn't at a level that could offer you advice, aside from stop suiciding lol
JeTmAn81
Member
Sorry, it's not out in the EU or Japan yet.
Also it doesn't help that they fucked up the c-stick implementation when it's been fine as is for two games in a row.
Sakurai doesn't seem to follow the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it rule" a lot...
Remove momentum conservation in a physics-based platform fighter because...
Remove L-Cancelling without replacing it with something easier or whatever because...
Completely change CStick implementation because...
Perfect Shield no longer reflects projectiles back at your opponent because...
Massively reduce shieldstun because...
Sakurai doesn't seem to follow the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it rule" a lot...
Remove momentum conservation in a physics-based platform fighter because...
Remove L-Cancelling without replacing it with something easier or whatever because...
Completely change CStick implementation because...
Perfect Shield no longer reflects projectiles back at your opponent because...
Massively reduce shieldstun because...
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
and 3rd Strike
SixMachine
Member
How did they change the C-Stick for Smash? I was contemplating on a getting a Wii U or a PS4 because I wanted smash or xrd (also some games down the line like X and other things I have missed). I would like to get it eventually but I'm in no hurry.
commanderpepper
Member
I would like to see perfect shields reflect projectiles. I hope Sakurai changes this in a future patch, if a future patch is arriving.
Hot Coldman
Banned
FGW | Diddy's Konquest
The C-Stick now lets you charge smashes, so the game now ignores inputs on the left stick whilst the C-Stick is being used, even when it's being used it the air, which fucks up your ability to space aerials as accurately as you used to be able to in previous games.
You can set the CStick to only do tilts and not smash attacks, but it's pretty janky I hear and you then lose the ability to do quick smashes.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Just popping in here to lament that nobody cares about UK tournaments again. 
Yesterday was 3sports, a big one day event in North East England. I went and had a blast. I was sooooooooooooooooo clooooooooooooose to knocking out Blaydon Ryu - hands down one of the best players in the country. I was being so smart but screwed up a jump-in fireball punish thanks to St.HP having bad range.
Next month, just before Christmas on the 20th, is a Meltdown tournament in London. Louffy will be there! Big festive rumble.
I am going down with the Liverpool crew.
Yesterday was 3sports, a big one day event in North East England. I went and had a blast. I was sooooooooooooooooo clooooooooooooose to knocking out Blaydon Ryu - hands down one of the best players in the country. I was being so smart but screwed up a jump-in fireball punish thanks to St.HP having bad range.
Next month, just before Christmas on the 20th, is a Meltdown tournament in London. Louffy will be there! Big festive rumble.
I am going down with the Liverpool crew.Just popping in here to lament that nobody cares about UK tournaments again.
It will always be this way, we mostly suck.
I'm going to the first Smash 4 WiiU tournament in Manchester on December 6th.
It should hopefully be a bigger turnout than the previous tournament I went to, even though that was in London (though that was probably due to the fact that it was MK9).
SixMachine
Member
Thanks. Watching the video, that does look really janky. I'm pretty sure someone like Sakurai would have noticed something like this, I wonder why he would leave it like that. It just hurts the movement flow for casual and competitive players alike. The workaround sounds like it has some awkward penalties too, like some weird diagonals.
Huw_Dawson
Member
This is 100% wrong. The UK has many, many good players. The issue is that there's such a huge spotlight on the US. IMO the US's average tournament player is weaker than the UK's - we punch above our weight.
Only way to fix that is a regular London weekly again. London's players are amazing but are not given a spotlight. That's mostly down to London being garbage for sensible venues.
France too, by the way. No attention on their tournaments, but they're amazing.
At this point it's either your tournament is streamed by Armshouse and you'll get 500-2000 views, or it's streamed on another channel and you will not hit 100 views.
Rice-Eater
Member
Just popping in here to lament that nobody cares about UK tournaments again.
Yesterday was 3sports, a big one day event in North East England. I went and had a blast. I was sooooooooooooooooo clooooooooooooose to knocking out Blaydon Ryu - hands down one of the best players in the country. I was being so smart but screwed up a jump-in fireball punish thanks to St.HP having bad range.
Next month, just before Christmas on the 20th, is a Meltdown tournament in London. Louffy will be there! Big festive rumble.
Was it a USF4 tourney? If yes then that makes sense, this is a Smash thread
Huw_Dawson
Member
Was it a USF4 tourney? If yes then that makes sense, this is a Smash thread
*sigh*
You lot do realise that game isn't out for another week in Europe, right? We're still living in a pre-Smash world.
Well played indeed.
SixMachine
Member
In that same c-stick thread I just saw this video. That seems really awkward lol. I'm surprised something like this wasn't caught during testing since something that effects the registering of inputs would be huge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlZTlVhFX90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlZTlVhFX90
Eh, I guess, the MK9 scene atleast has/(had?) some amazing players, but there's just no hype around us really and our events seem relatively small.
That's just what I think anyway, I'm no expert on the UK FGC honestly, I think atleast the UK Smash streams are generally of a lower quality than the average US one as well, they jut look like amateur hour stuff from the few that I've seen.
Huw_Dawson
Member
That's an issue with the fact that it's harder to get competitively good when the hotspot for competition in Europe is Denmark!
Compare the UK in Marvel to the UK in SF4. Amazing SF4 players, but the Marvel players struggle to get any real competiton as the online is total garbage.
Smash 4 will help out the scene a lot. Solid online does wonders.
There's a surprisingly large smash community (to me it was, anyway) in the UK going off of Facebook groups, but it's quite sparse which is why I have to get a train down to Manchester, don't think I can even get to the weeklies due to how out of the way it is coupled with my work schedule.
I think there's only one other guy in Blackpool that plays Smash and he plays Melee whereas I play PM.
I'd like Smash 4 to change that... but it's not exactly the Smash game I want to really hit it off.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Just popping in here to lament that nobody cares about UK tournaments again.
Yesterday was 3sports, a big one day event in North East England. I went and had a blast. I was sooooooooooooooooo clooooooooooooose to knocking out Blaydon Ryu - hands down one of the best players in the country. I was being so smart but screwed up a jump-in fireball punish thanks to St.HP having bad range.
Next month, just before Christmas on the 20th, is a Meltdown tournament in London. Louffy will be there! Big festive rumble.
Oh damn I'll definitely head down for that!
As I said, there's always HoG. Mark is having a tournament for Smash 4 on launch day so...lesss gooo!
You mean Diddy's Kong Quest like the title of DKC2.
Just popping in here to lament that nobody cares about UK tournaments again.
Yesterday was 3sports, a big one day event in North East England. I went and had a blast. I was sooooooooooooooooo clooooooooooooose to knocking out Blaydon Ryu - hands down one of the best players in the country. I was being so smart but screwed up a jump-in fireball punish thanks to St.HP having bad range.
Next month, just before Christmas on the 20th, is a Meltdown tournament in London. Louffy will be there! Big festive rumble.
where can i get more info about this meltdown tournament? would like to share this with my uni's fgc.
Leafhopper
Banned
I don't think so.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
America's game by default
I find neutral game janky in this. It's like it encourages spot dodging and rolling really hard instead of playing a proper constant spacing game with regular movement and normals. Play any person and you'll see them throw out an aerial/space/jab, and then roll backwards/spot dodge if it's shielded. I feel like the game goes back to a "do over" instead of a footsie game (which Brawl actually had). If the opponent read your roll and attempts a punish, then it becomes mash or roll again. While Brawl wasn't my preferred Smash and it was very floaty, it had a pretty good spacing game with aerials I thought.
It's a little hard to explain why it makes it encourage the game to play this way, but it feels like it's a number of things just adding up.
Besides the awful change to projectiles finishing up their animation after landing, I'm quite tolerant of the movement in this game besides maybe a couple of things. I just find neutral the biggest gripe right now.
dno if it was actually popular but they had some cool players... maybe you already seen this but its cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-7suefXOTA
To a degree yes, but it got a reputation as a broken game.
MisterLuffy
Member
I think I'm going to start mapping c-stick to tilts.
Master Milk
Member
i can't fuck with this fetishist space chick at all
ggs beats
after that i need a break lol
ggs beats
after that i need a break lol
sixteen-bit
Member
Nope. They made his specials customs though.
Coffeeling
Member
F judging types
Show them something, their primary evaluation function sorts stuff as Good or Bad, and new is good plus they themselves enjoy it => the obvious happens.Some people also think people are far more alike than they really are.
Yeah before I started the "ptw life" or whatever, I played a ton of Smash when Melee came out. Completely casually, but it's really left an impression in my gaming tastes where I love fighters with strong, freeform movement. KOF13, UNIEL feel fantastic. ST Claw was surprisingly nice. GG/3S are preferred over SF4, and so on. Pretty much due to the feel of movement.
GGs.
I don't know much about Rosalina, but you're rolling way too much though. It's really easy for me to hit you at the end of the roll. > . <
Coffeeling
Member
KOF13 much? People tier whore a ton in that game even though it's not very necessary.
@Rhapsody
That summon~buttons style for doing empty summon with proper buttons held down was so much more natural than poon's method <3
One step closer to GG character crisis being solved, maybe.