Dictator93
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I wonder what these DX11 PC enhancements will be...
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Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin announced for PS4/XBO/PC - April 2015
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Too bad the messy IP licensing overseas would prevent us to see what was happening to the northern land of the giants
Seriously I'm curious what kind of demons that could spawn in the land of giants
Very redundant. Just leave Dark Souls as it is because they can't add (and they shouldn't) anymore new content to it.
CybernatonEvolution
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Boob physics.
Too bad the messy IP licensing overseas would prevent us to see what was happening to the northern land of the giants
Seriously I'm curious what kind of demons that could spawn in the land of giants
Very redundant. Just leave Dark Souls as it is because they can't add (and they shouldn't) anymore new content to it.
New Londo past (downfall of the four kings) can be used as a storyline/main quest; it is related to the first flame and furtive pygmy.
I'll just leave this here -
For Dark Souls 2, we dont even expect any additional downloadable content because we want to deliver a full game, the full experience, to fans who purchase the package from day one," -- Takeshi Miyazoe, 2013
Read More: No DLC for Dark Souls 2 | http://screencrush.com/no-dlc-for-dark-souls-2/?trackback=tsmclip
For Dark Souls 2, we dont even expect any additional downloadable content because we want to deliver a full game, the full experience, to fans who purchase the package from day one," -- Takeshi Miyazoe, 2013
Read More: No DLC for Dark Souls 2 | http://screencrush.com/no-dlc-for-dark-souls-2/?trackback=tsmclip
I played it in 1440p, actually. The majority of the game still had very flat lighting.
Patch 1.10 is already including some of the content.
So whatever is left out has to justify its price.
I only have a problem with that if those exclusive "adjustments" are fixing stuff that should've been in a free patch (fixing hitboxes, insane tracking and similar stuff).
If they addnew covenants, change the positions of enemies, add new mobs etc, and keep that stuff exclusive, i'm fine with it.
Again, it's the difference between new content and fixing old content that was "broken".
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
There's plenty of shortcuts. Patently false statement here.
That part is annoying, but you fight only like 2 of those infinite stamina guys and they can be speed-ran or cheesed with ranged combat, so, whatever.
PvP has always been broken. The patches and nerfs only shifted the brokenness towards something else (first it was dual Mundane Avelyn, then it was Monastery Scimitar, it's something else, etc.).
I'm really amused by the fact that people thought the PvP was ever balanced at any point. It wasn't balanced in Demon's (though it was by far the best PvP still), it was even less balanced in Dark Souls, and DkS2 is just keeping the trend.
Switching between Lords of the Fallen and Dark Souls II was the most jarring yet. DkS2 felt like a twitchy character action game in comparison, haha.
- For the most part, the hitboxes are fine. But, there are a few really bad individual instances that kind of sour the experience at times. It's a fair criticism, but to say it ruins the whole game through is disingenuous.
- See above.
- One enemy type does. One. And there is a grand total of two of them. He's annoying as fuck, that's true. But again that doesn't apply to the entire game.
- A few places are like that, and yes they're annoying. To say every game encounter is like that ("boils down to") is very blatantly false. There were enemy hordes in previous games too, especially the DLC.
- A silly geographical absurdity. Okay. Big whoop. When I saw the Iron Keep, I said "wait what...?", I chuckled, and then I promptly forgot about the absurdity when I admired the amazing locale.
- My care level about this is honestly close to zero at this point. It was disappointing, but most of us have moved on.
- Okay.
So there, addressed your list. I agree with most of the criticisms, but I disagree that they somehow make the game a terrible broken mess and failed sequel and all the hyperbolic vitriol that is aimed at what is easily my GotY2014.
Exploration is the best part of DkS2. It's the most rewarding out of all three games. Combat has some minor issues but improvements such as powerstancing. And atmosphere is plentiful. No Man's Wharf is probably one of the best Souls levels ever.
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The same way those 3 DLCs will be FREE on the new-gen versions. e_e Are you even trying?
All?
Yeah, I really miss the Needle of Eternal Agony, the Golem Axe, the Artorias Greatsword, Great lord greatsword, the Dozer axe...
...not.
Ah the good ol' noobstick. xD
The halberds in Dark I and II are fine, it's just that the DeS one were ridiculously OP. The ultragreatsword moveset, on the other hand, now that has been severely nerfed. Zweihanders have nothing on the DBS.
I can definitely get behind this line of thought. And I usually think "gamey" as a bad thing is a ridiculous expression, but I definitely agree with what you're saying.
Anor Londo feels like the city home to great deities, it feels like they built the city and its lore, and then made it into a video game level, as for, say, Heide's Tower of Flame, I was much more intrigued by its meaning before I actually played the game. It just felt like a video game level.
Dark Souls II isn't entirely devoid of places like this, though. Forest of the Fallen Giants was pretty awesome.
I miss the "the giants are the gods of Anor Londo" theory, that would be so much cooler as the base for Dark Souls II's story, imo.
Soooo, does this mean Heide's Tower has drakes in it now?
Would kinda make sense considering the Dragonrider boss is there.
But Dragonslayer is there too.
My old theory was that dragonslayer had slayed the Dragonrider's dragon.
That's very stretching and not as essential as the scourge of the northern land in Demon's Souls (which we only got a simple "they just got destroyed early" with no how it happened).
Artorias of The Abyss was not originally planned as DLC. It just a cut content restored in preparation for the PC port. If the petition wasn't a thing, and there wasn't any PC port, I reckon AoTA wouldn't even exist. What I mean is that there is paradigm change on handling the game content, and I wonder if its purely from FromSoft side or it is heavily influenced by Bandai Namco (I said influenced because they don't own the IP beside worldwide publishing right, it's still FromSoft's).
Thank god that was bullshit, since the DLCs were some of the best Souls stuff we got yet.
I hope they have Dragonrider actually ride a dragon.. give that poor fucker some dignity, after being humiliated over and over by everyone.
No one cares about this.
Most people enjoyed the DLC and were glad it was released.
It says "new characterS" so it is not obvious there is a npc called scholar of the first sin.
But if I were asked who would be this scholar, the answer to me is obvious. Aldia.
I love the Fume Knight
And I loved his sword for a few hours, before I switched right back to the Greatsword :C
If I make a new character for this new release, it'll definitely be a punchy dude with one or two bows. I had a punchy dude in the vanilla game, but I was just running through the game, so it was caestus only, never bothered with equips or ranged weapons.
Hey Stark, winner of Demon's tourney's, come PvP me best 8 out of 10.
I'm calling it, you'll duck my challenge a 4th time. The fifth time, we'll just call it "Stark's Royal Flush". lol
But anyway, I actually mained the Large Sword of Searching in Demon's PvP, and used my Blueblood build. :\
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Spirit Icana
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I don't really care for Miyazaki. I bought Dark Souls for a weird reason. Same with Dark Souls II. I did enjoy them both though, especially Dark Souls II.
Weird reason hint: I play to get to the parts where there is music.
Or the random fire breathing statues in Iron Keep. And floating platforms over lava. Like it was modeled after Bowser's Castle.
Just a bunch of shit thrown in to keep the gameplay challenging, with little thought as to whether they made sense.
Lux R7
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this this this this this forever and ever.
I wasn't really exposed by various critique of Dark Souls 2 at the time I first played it, and yet it's already feel jarring to me on how the level design feels different from the previous souls game. The level on Dark Souls 2 if I might said, resembling The Mansion in RE1, greatly designed for gameplay purpose but beside that, it doesn't have any purpose. This article really explain my thought really well.
I don't really care for Miyazaki. I bought Dark Souls for a weird reason. Same with Dark Souls II. I did enjoy them both though, especially Dark Souls II.
Weird reason hint: I play to get to the parts where there is music.
Weird, it's like choosing the Star Wars Prequel over the original Trilogy for a rewatch. Well you decision, can't blame you if you don't really care what makes Dark Souls so engrossing as it was designed by Miyazaki.
What short cuts? I can only think of the one at the beginning of the game. There are very few meaningful ones, mainly because the designers of DS2 didn't really aim for interesting, intertwining area that had actual purpose. It's far more linear with an abundance of bonfires to compensate.
It's not "so, whatever". It's terrible to have to devolve your game into cheesing. Especially considering my first build in any Souls game is about going up and personal with the enemies.
You also conveniently don't mention the diabolical boss the shrine leads to.
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That is absolutely amazing. DS2 has easily the worst sense of exploration and wonder amongst the Soul games. But opinions are opinions I suppose. Just astonished you've got that one.
No Man's Wharf was probably one of the better areas in DS2 but doesn't have a patch on any of the better areas in the previous games. It has a fairly rubbish shortcut and the boss is probably one of the worst in the game.
What I meant to say is, there's no amount of modding that can be done to revert this:
The only way to do that would be if they fixed it in the DX11 version of the remaster.
Was this really a thing?? Damn, that's one hell of a downgrade. Hasn't there been a backlash on GAF, or have I missed it?
Oh, there was a major downgrade, even from people who apparently played the build on the left that was reported to be running on PS3.
It'll be interesting to see if any of that is restored here in the new versions. Probably not.
There was a huge backlash. People are still bitter about it going by this thread.
Which is funny in retrospect, because the graphics were the LEAST of DS2's problems.
Ah, yeah, I thought I had read a single NPC before. I figure there has to be some new/not seen before character that moniker applies to since I can't really think of anyone existing that it would make sense to call that. Aldia as a new NPC could certainly fit that.
Actually i think graphics are one of its major problems, given how graphics inform atmosphere, which this games is lacking many times.
A bigger problem of course is the schizophrenic art design, that doesn't evolve organically like it did in Demon and Dark1.
Which is why the monothematic DLCs are so good.
i think all of those areas are visually interesting and structurally boring as shit
the part of DS1 that i most enjoyed was making my way through a maze-like world that looped back on itself and had lots of side areas and interconnections. DS2 was ten steps back in that regard.
i get that people liked what it did well, but for me i think dull is an excellent descriptor
e. actually the only area with a layout i enjoyed in DS2 was the gutter, which is hilarious because it's visually boring and everyone else seemed to hate it
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
SoA nowadays is piss easy. SoA before the nerf patch was hell on earth though.
You mean the optional boss that is made specially difficult for people who want to kill everything.
Also, it is crazy to complain if your one build doesn't work for everything the game has to throw at you.
I wish they patched the original SoA back.
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
A double dip will solely rely on how much the next gen version is enhanced. If they add that lighting back in, I'm sold. If it is just basically the current PC version running on the Xbox One and PS4, then I'll pass.
The Gutter was awful. Did they ever patch out the product placement there, per chance?
Played it pre-nerf. Ugh. Didn't do so unhollowed either so no tank buddy to help out.
Also, people do realise that there isn't a full game out there with all the E3 lighting, right? That was just a vertical slice. It's not a case of them just reimplementing it, they'd have to redo THE WHOLE GAME.
The lighting that we saw in the Beta/trailers? Likely only existed for those specific areas. And what we were shown was a fraction of the entire game. I doubt it's happening.
Yeah, I can't agree with those complains either. The game even gave you more weapon slots and made your roll be a lot more useful after 25% equip burden, not to mention the durability degenerating much faster. They definitely wanted you to use more of your weapons.
And you can still beat the game just fine with caestus and nothing else, as I did myself. It's just probably not ideal for a first playthrough/kill everything playthrough.
Krusenstern
Banned
What I meant to say is, there's no amount of modding that can be done to revert this:
The only way to do that would be if they fixed it in the DX11 version of the remaster.
Same here. Can't justify buying DS2 when Bloodborne has been out for only a month by then. Will probably spent a lot of time with that game.
No original lighting and I will continue postponing DS2.
And the trailer shows the same exact graphics we got. Don't know why people are expecting the original look. If PC didn't get, neither will consoles.
Someone didn't hear about the game being delayed.
Bloodborne comes out less than two weeks before this edition of Dark Souls II. March 25th is Bloodborne's current release date for NA.
Monster Hunter director couldn't resist putting in a Monster Hunter boss.
I haven't been following the discussion in this thread. Ancient Dragon really feels like a monster hunter boss though.
Krusenstern
Banned
I knew. Bloodborne in March, DS2 in April. That's what I mean. I will probably sit on Bloodborne for quite a while.
Spirit Icana
Member
It's easy now? Wow.
That place took up so much of my time.
Fun fact (unless it's been patched), one of the witches near the cave entrance (not exit) stops attacking you if you take out the enemies around her first. Get close to her and she runs away. Thought that was pretty cool.
Well that makes it even less likely people will ditch Bloodborne for DS2...
what? No it doesn't.
Kalameet is the closest Souls fight to Monster Hunter, which is why I love that boss so much. My expectations from that fight are also why Ancient Dragon was such a huge letdown. Ancient Dragon is the shittiest thing in the series outside of maybe Bed of Chaos.
My biggest gripe with the game was the fucking hitboxes and the fact that, although the game had a lot of variety, did so at the expense of immersion. I mean, a lot of areas were too "small". I felt that way. I would have preferred less areas but more fleshed out. That and the fact that the game didn't feel so connected as DKS1, but that is a common complaint. It's still a great game, better than most, but ultimately felt short compared to the previous 2.
Demon Souls feels like a hybrid between both Dark Souls games. It had good variety, and although the world wasn't connected, each big area retained it's own particular atmosphere. It was like 5 sub-games, but each of them big enough to sustain the momentum. DKS 2 had a lot of amazing looking areas, and inspired art design, but the areas were too small. One moment you're underground, the next you take a elevator to a dragon shrine. One moment you're on a pier fighting pirates, the next you're thrown into France. If felt very disjointed, albeit having a lot of very artistically inspired locations. I think it lacked "soul", no pun intended.
Dark Souls II felt a bit like eating sushi. Little portions, but so many different dishes to try out.
I don't like sushi.