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And it does have all of that. Just not do the degree that you (or me) hoped it would.
Sure, if you ignore the other changes they've mentioned.
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Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin announced for PS4/XBO/PC - April 2015
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And it does have all of that. Just not do the degree that you (or me) hoped it would.
Sure, if you ignore the other changes they've mentioned.
But the Dragonriders didn't ride dragons, they had wyverns! Their name is a lie!
All the extra gameplay content (Story bits and new NPCs) will be added to every version. New-Gen version will get better online (6 player co op), and tweaked gameplay, whatever that means.
No, there are game design changes and 6 player multiplayer that are only in the DX11/next gen version.
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FROM is obviously not getting a pass for this from lots of people here. I think what they're doing is no worse than the "remastered" trend we've been seeing. Depending on the changes they make, it could be fine and justified. The verdict is still out, in my opinion.
But sure, get all angry and prop up false equivalencies that focus merely on rendering APIs to prove your high standards or whatever. Saying that this is charging for a patch seems like a bit much to me.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I don't know how many times one can be told that I'm not interested. I do know that one definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting something different...
Final? Thank the gods, now we can get back on topic!
we are talking about PC games that got a remaster and bump in graphics, Liberation was not on pcs at first, Metro redux was fairly discounted and those were really NEW assets from a alredy good looking game which there is no sing of downgrade, The last of US is Playstation, GTA V is not out on pc and there is only one version of the game and not two ports from different gen of consoles, Sleeping Dogs was a basically a GOTY, there is no Tomb Raider Definitive Edition on pc, so youre pretty wrong there, you cannot compare Metro Redux to Dark Souls 2 lol, DaS 2 had an obvious downgrade.
I swear if game design changes amount to
"Added
Dragon death traps in the following areas:
Heide's Tower of Flame
Lost Bastille and
Shrine of Amana"
New Heide Knights based on previously cut content
Brand new Black Phantoms in NG+2"
and the extra players for co-op I will be mildly upset!
I am pretty sure it'll pretty much be a paid patch. They will come with some excuse how it would be unfair to console players to heavily discount it on PC or just giving it away for free in a patch or some bullshit.
that is true, i expected the Lighting engine to stay and all those high quality texture/assets, but after the Screenshots were removed from steam store some weeks before the game release it was pretty obvious it was getting downgraded, and they had some extra time with the pc version.
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You don't care if the main platform was PS3/360? That's good for you, but I'm sure FROM and Namco are rather concerned with their bottom line. Creating great games is one thing, but these guys aren't a charity as you seem to think with your "sure take another 9 months" bit.
I see that you are taking the PC as a static platform on which you only get one shot at releasing something. That's fine if that's your opinion, but do take note that the graphical and gameplay changes (of which we still know very little about), are simply not coming to the PS3/360 versions. This is a new version of the game. I can see why some people would be pissed, but I'll choose to wait and see what changes they make before deciding whether or not to buy it.
Maybe not exactly within one year, but Deus Ex and the Metro games are recent examples. Doesn't Metro even replace your old games on Steam? I think I read that somewhere. Shame, considering they are actually downgrades in many ways. You also see tons of games get re-released on the PC after many years. Would it have been more acceptable if FROM kept this only on PS4/XBO and maybe released the PC version a few years from now? What's an acceptable amount of time to wait?
Also, Metro was only discounted if you pre-ordered it. Pre-ordering is for suckers.
And yeah, there is no Tomb Raider Definitive Edition on PC. You seemingly list that as a good thing. Is it preferable for you to simply not have the option to purchase it?
paolo11
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Uhhmm.. anyone?
the one picture with spiders looks like it has way more spiders than the original room in brightstone cove so what i'm hoping for is the good ol' shitty standard of 'put even more enemies in' because i am a moron who actually loves that shit
i just want to golf swing like 10 dudes off a cliff at once. permanent crawling congregation fight status with your guy just spinning around shitting on everyone
Crimsonclaw111
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No.
budd what you fail to see here is that this Remaster trend is happening on consoles, aside from Metro Redux which really has new better assets from a game that there is no sing of being downgraded, there is NO game that suffered this on PC, because it makes NO SENSE, imagine if ubisoft would come out a "Watch Dogs DE" for PCs with all of those E3 graphics and charging full price, lets all wait and see but so far this is charging for a patch.
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No. Nothing carries over on any of the platforms. Think of it as a different game.
That's an insult to sushi
GTA, Assassin's Creed, TLoU and Tomb Raider weren't re-released for the same platform. Metro Redux gave a 50% discount to existing PC users.
For DS2, existing PC, PS3, and 360 players have to buy the entire game again.
I guess being on two new platforms doesn't count?
In DragonSlayer Ornstein's trophy room there were some smaller heads that surely belonged to wyverns.
The guy surely started working his way up to dragons from small fish.
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Metro Redux discount only applied to pre-orders. It was full price after release.
With Tomb Raider, you actually prefer that it wasn't made available?
Also, PS3 and 360 owners do not have to buy anything. In fact, they can not buy anything (unless they just want to re-purchase an all-in-one package with the DLC for no good reason). The changes being made for the PS4 and XBO versions will simply not be available on those platforms. FROM is then bringing that new version to the PC.
I'd rather Tomb Radier be made available for PC as a patch or at least a discounted version for original users like Redux was. And yeah, I was mistaken about the last gen versions.
Metro Redux gives two games for the price of one, it costs 28 dolars here in brazil on Nuuvem without ANY discount, i have no ideia what youre talking about that is ONE amazing price, also this new version is just a graphical update with DX11, which so far does not even has those graphics show at 2013, two extra players on multiplayers does not justify a new game, and better graphics on pc should not be charged, see DX11 for crysis 2 as someone mentioned, Deus Ex had no graphics upgraded,Tomb raider had no actual graphic update they just changed art LOL. This Dark Souls 2 PC remaster is the first to do this, you cant really bring old games into this like age of mythology or the Empire games since these are REALLY old and it does not fit this situation.
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Deleted member 17706
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Apparently not.
I know gamers don't often like to look at things from a developer's perspective and constantly demand more, more, and more, but it's pretty clear what's happening here.
FROM got a chance to make PS4 and XBO versions of the game and are taking the opportunity to make changes and improvements. Since they are doing this, they will also release this version on PC.
Whether you think they deserve to charge for that work on PC or not is your prerogative, but I prefer that the option to buy it exists, as I'd rather play the updated version on PC than PS4 (assuming the changes warrant picking it up). It's not like the existing Dark Souls II is going away or anything.
so you see that as reason to charge PC for better graphics that should be there in the first place?
Tesseract
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so following your logic, Crytek had the right to charge for DX 11 and all those amazing graphics upgrades? it was all extra work and it took some time to be ready, also same thing happened to Shogun 2, DX 11 added a lot of eye candy, it was all extra work, should they had sold it was a new Shogun 2 remaster DX 11 edition?
Damn you all to hell.
InfiniteNine
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That's some bullshit right there. I hope you guys that got it before get a loyalty discount!
gioGAF
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I think it is worth stressing the following:
This is not FROM's doing, this is SCAMCO.
SCAMCO is super cheap. I was very disappointed when I heard that SCAMCO was the one that would be handling the Dark Souls franchise.
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Two games for the price of one? I don't know if you're willing to count sales, but Metro 2033 had been available for $4.99 or less many times over its life time. Lowest price was $2.99.
http://www.steamgamesales.com/hU68Y/metro-2033
Last Light has also been available for as low as $9.99.
I don't know if I can continue to engage with you if you keep on pretending that you know the extent of the changes they plan. You talk about me not having prove of my statements and yet you continue to yack on about this ONLY being a graphical update and the only gameplay change being two extra players in multiplayer. You're talking shit and you need to realize it.
That's ignoring the fact that the Metro games were also just graphical updates with small gameplay changes, but that one's OK in your book for some reason.
Chaos2Frozen
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They should, but given how many people are still port begging it (elsewhere) I'm pretty sure a lot won't.
Also, Dark Souls 2 works.
It's quite possible that it is actually. Both Deus Ex and Sleeping Dogs got their original versions removed from Steam. In this case of DS2, this would mean that anyone who buys the game after April would be unable to play with someone who owns the original.
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If they finished work on one version and release it, and then went back and did a bunch more work for an updated version, then sure they can charge for it.
Of course a free update would better, and it's up to consumers to decide whether the updates are worth the money or not. I still find having the option preferable to not having it.
It may go away for purchase, but it will surely still be available for play in your Steam library.
You are ignoring the options of a paid update or a free re-release only for existing owners.
'Better graphics' will mean the PS4/XBO games look like the current PC release maxed out. I'm seriously doubting that DX11 adds anything beyond that,
I've already beaten the game three times, including all of the DLC (minus an optional boss or two). No interest in going back, especially not once Bloodborne is out.
For those who do want to play it, I feel that Namco should offer a similar deal to Metro. Patrick's tweet just means you'll have to pay again, but it didn't specify full price. We shall see.
I've already beaten the game three times, including all of the DLC (minus an optional boss or two). No interest in going back, especially not once Bloodborne is out.
For those who do want to play it, I feel that Namco should offer a similar deal to Metro. Patrick's tweet just means you'll have to pay again, but it didn't specify full price. We shall see.
first off, metro redux(the pack with both games) was 28 dolars here in brazil without any discount and not in a sale, in sales it drops WAY even lower, the only addition know so far is two extra players, youre the only one here claiming that there must be more without any actual proof besides the "wording" they used to describe the new version, Metro did not suffer from downgrade, Dark Souls 2 did, i do not know what else is coming but if you want to keep pretending that it will be a lot and that justify a new whole game be my guest.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Haha wow. DSII is a great example of how to piss off your fanbase at every single turn. 2014 has been a year of developers just not getting it.
Well, fuck that. And I ain't buying the Season Pass unless it's EXTREME DISCOUNT sale this Steam sale.
Fuck From and Namco. There's no reason they can't put the DX11 rendering in the previous version/sub on Steam.
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The only one pretending is you. You're claiming to know shit that you do not.
I'm saying that I do not know and that I will wait and see, but the language indicates that there's more than what you're going on about.
Either way, we don't know right now. Criticizing a game over baseless assumptions is a pretty dumb thing to do.
well thats what crytek did, they finished working on the pc game, then went back to it and DX11 was ready after 2 months of working, add many graphical features to the game and it made a HUGE HUGE difference, same happened on shogun 2, your logic might apply for PS4/Xbone but not for PC.