The Last One
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Can't wait to see Boyes dressed as Cloud at the keynote.
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Can't wait to see Boyes dressed as Cloud at the keynote.
This is what happens when we're left alone!
Coulomb_Barrier
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Yes, game was a major let-down.
illmatic22
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A group of very crazy and desperate people.
Please understand
KoopaTheCasual
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Don't reason with these people.
I mean if they announce it, we will see it come out in like 5-10 years so maybe.
Sadly no
FinalStageBoss
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Not all of us want it. This announcement would do nothing for me.
ChronotriggerJM
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I love Sony hype. It gains momentum like no other.
Maybe not, but if the remake sucks I can go back to the original no problem.
Jimmyfenix
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Yup!
Also on the topic of Sony giving its old IPs to indies. Sony should give some Psygnosis IPs to indies.
Exactly. And like I said. The gamemechanics did not age well at all.
Shadow_FFVI
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Maybe if Kitase get's back to the directorial chair.
And so does it fall at the end. Keep your expectations in check guys.
I know, I know, nothing stops this train.
TheRealTalker
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so I know there will be keynotes but will there be a press conference?
if so will it be livestreamed?
I just don't see keynotes announcing new I.Ps / titles unless of course your SOE or Blizzard but to me it just seems like they're fan keynotes
if so will it be livestreamed?
I just don't see keynotes announcing new I.Ps / titles unless of course your SOE or Blizzard but to me it just seems like they're fan keynotes
legacyzero
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Cow Goes Moo
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I don't think Square Enix is doing it. I think CyberConnect2 is doing it.
See below...
1. They get the rights to make G Bike...
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/09/17/final-fantasy-vii-g-bike-gets-new-trailer/
2. CyberConnect2 states they want to do a remake of VII themselves.
http://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-vii-bike-game-could-pave-the-path-to-a-fu-1589803588
3. Well... their huge announcement. http://www.siliconera.com/2014/11/1...looking-forward-announcing-something-awesome/
Just my speculation but those are some major points there...
Jimmyfenix
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Batman gameplay is going to be there that should be a sign that this will be structered out as an E3 conference.
SolidSnakex
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CC2 is great, but they've never made anything even remotely close to the scale of FF7.
Shin-Ra
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Balls and spine.
get out
The mechanics would be dumped anyway. It's the tone they have no chance replicating. FF7 is a stupid game, it has insanely shifting moods, and absurd narrative elements that work because the art is all over the place and the graphics are shit. The idea of a game with FFXV spec including the protagonist dressing up as a girl for infiltration would be moronic. You just can't contain the absurdity of FFVII within the fidelity of XV.
TheRealTalker
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Jimmyfenix
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Also i think they expect like 5000 people to attend the keynote.
Danlord
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I love NeoGAF hype threads, my favourite was the Project Beast thread up until now.
Now I want to stoke the flames a little with my two pence with the Final Fantasy VII remake topic.
Sony in May 2014 sold their shares from Square-Enix, which were non-controlling shares (invested by Sony to help keep Square-Enix afloat during financial problems after FF Sprits Within and the Enix merger) and my speculation is they've used that ~$47m not to put back into the company, which is losing hundreds of millions and would be seen as chump change to stop the bleeding, but investment in an exclusive Final Fantasy VII Remake funding for them. That would also explain why Sony allowed Versus XIII to merge into XV and become multiplatform, because they've reinvested the money into exclusive development into Final Fantasy VII remake and the profits from that would be much higher than simply keeping hold of that $47m
Now I want to stoke the flames a little with my two pence with the Final Fantasy VII remake topic.
Sony in May 2014 sold their shares from Square-Enix, which were non-controlling shares (invested by Sony to help keep Square-Enix afloat during financial problems after FF Sprits Within and the Enix merger) and my speculation is they've used that ~$47m not to put back into the company, which is losing hundreds of millions and would be seen as chump change to stop the bleeding, but investment in an exclusive Final Fantasy VII Remake funding for them. That would also explain why Sony allowed Versus XIII to merge into XV and become multiplatform, because they've reinvested the money into exclusive development into Final Fantasy VII remake and the profits from that would be much higher than simply keeping hold of that $47m
Nightengale
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The 'animu' tropes of FFVII would just get smashed in today's narrative expectations of something like FF.
loaf of bread
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The opening keynote is a conference. Its going to be just like Gamescom or E3.
I think they'd do a good job, if they like something they do it with passion. Jojos All Star Battle is perfect for me as a fan. New Stuff Remakes though
I bet Nomura is involved in this too. That's the reason why he gave up directing FFXV. Hype!!!
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LookAtMeGo
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When you put it that way...
*dreams crushed*
APZonerunner
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I think to call it stupid outright is a bit of an extreme, but it is absolutely a game of its time, and those weird tonal things sit right in with that. The same stuff is true of parts of FF6, FF8 and FF9 too, for certain. Some of it would just look stupid recreated in the sort of game and aesthetic a modern Final Fantasy is.
It doesn't just go for story beats with minor gameplay conceits like the cross dressing, but it drives right to the core of the game, to its style of battle system and character progression, a style that Square Enix has said flatly they don't really believe in for AAA any more. Even if, say FF16 is a command-based system instead of an action-based one, it'll play out more like FF13 - closer to real-time action, flashier, certainly not typical ATB, most likely.
That's the problem with a remake; they're damned either way if they do it, because if they don't change anything they'll be derided for releasing a game with mechanics out of the 90s, and if they do change things - like adjusting the battle system to something more like Crisis Core or FF15, or rewriting some of the more nonsensical/tonally flippant areas of the plot, people will lose their fucking minds.
There are routes out of that problem. The easy way out would be a simple HD Remaster, but due to code rot/poor storage/etc that just isn't possible for FF7. Most of the original code is lost, so a cheap Ocarina of Time 3D level remaster isn't possible. Remaking everything from scratch would be very expensive, and thus they'd want to have mass appeal, which'd mean changing the game. The argument then: why not cut the budget and make it more cheaply? Well, FF7 is an important cornerstone for Square Enix as a company, so they'd never short-change it for fear of what it'd do to its reputation, I think.
So... yeah. Rock, hard place. The other easy option is a handheld remake, because on handheld the company shrinks its expectations, its budget, and suddenly more traditional turn-based and the stuff becomes more viable. You could do a really competent FF7 on 3DS or Vita with a reasonable budget and worry a lot less about changing the core gameplay for mass appeal.
I do think eventually they'll return to the FF7 well. I really believe that. God only knows what the game that'll come out of it will look like, though. I think in that instance they would surely change the game significantly, as the purpose of remaking FF7 is to try to recapture the 3-4 million users who were more casual, bought that game with little RPG experience off the back of Sony's aggressive marketing, the game's impressive CG, and word of mouth... and to recapture that audience, you couldn't release that game and keep it the same. It'd have to change, even if that meant suffering the wrath of very angry hardcore fans.
I think they'll do it. Is now the time? Not sure... difficult to know.
For the reasons outlined above, there's no way if they ever do it it'll be just better visuals, and at that point you have to question what level of tampering you're willing to allow the game to go through.
JordanN
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It just needs better graphics. I can't imagine how Squenix could ruin that, when FF7 already looked dated at release.
Other than that, I don't really care what they do. I just don't want to look at super low poly characters and low res pre-rendered bitmaps.
Yes this is another good point. Some Games are just not made to be remade. I think a MGS is a lot better to remake that a FF7. I even think a Syphon Filter Remake would get me more hyped.
Jimmyfenix
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Buying new pants
Throwing a PS4 out of a window
It is funny how one announcement can cause these things to happen.
Throwing a PS4 out of a window
It is funny how one announcement can cause these things to happen.
LookAtMeGo
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Oh man....Time to get those spare pants, then...
JordanN
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Oot 3DS sold millions despite being the exact same game on the N64 with some re-touching.
It's a remake, not a new game. I think the masses will know they're buying into an old game.
Mass_Pincup
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Excellent post. This is exactly why I'm skeptical about a FFVII remake, I just can't see how it can be worth it for them sales wise.
Shadow_FFVI
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Everything about FF VII looked pretty mindblowing to me at the time. Certainly not as bad as some make it seem.
APZonerunner
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OOT's core gameplay has arguably aged better to that core audience, though, hasn't it? Turn-based has died a bit of a death. OOT also doesn't have the tonal problems a lot of FF7 does because its story is bloody simple. Bluntly: Zelda has changed less, so OOT 3D didn't have to do very much to feel contemporary.
A remake of FF7 is never going to be as simple as OOT 3D because of that difference. A modern FF would be expected to be fully voiced, for instance, which immediately changes the method of delivery for the most of the story - scenes that were flat camera angles with text boxes suddenly have to be directed with camera movement, detailed animation, etcetera.
There's an argument here: Couldn't Square just go the middle ground, and do it like Persona 4? P4 is fine, for instance, and that's sort of the middle ground; (mostly) voiced, but with the simple animation and mostly flat-angles FF7 popularised - but I don't think, for better or worse, Square Enix would do that to FF7. 8 or 9, maybe, but 7 is too precious to their identity.
Wada said it right - if they're going to do FF7, they need to make sure it is bloody incredible, even as a remaster rather than a full remake, as to damage FF7 as a brand and as a cornerstone of gaming culture would be to damage the company itself massively. The flip side: I think Matsuda is already proving himself to be willing to take more chances than Wada, who was very conservative when it came to the core money-making series'. A remake of FF7 could be the ultimate successful expression of that or, equally, the ultimate backfire.
And, again, you can't slap new assets over the existing code as SE was very poor at record-keeping back then and most of the source stuff for FF7 is long-since lost, something that's been verified in various interviews over the years. When Eidos ported the PC versions as early as 98, Square was unable to deliver the source stuff to them, and had to simply deliver a dev build for PS1. Most of the CG scenes were outsourced to a Hong Kong based CG studio that has since shut and appeared to keep no records - that's why Distant Worlds and the like use low-quality scenes touched-up by Visual Works - whereas games like 9 & 10 have the same scenes re-rendered directly at a higher res. So that's a problem - unless they've made a discovery in the last few years, anything they do would be pretty ground-up, which is difficult and expensive.
It'd only sell gangbusters. You're right. Probably not worth it.
gundamkyoukai
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SE still got the talent they just need someone to focus it.
JordanN
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The CG itself was passable (although not the best. Pixar released Geri's Game in the same year and it looked far better).
The actual game was very ugly. Lego-esque looking characters with flat shaded polygons and very minimal texture use and no dynamic lighting. Animation was non-existent (characters just shifted their bodies towards each other with limited arm gestures). The in game battles, while higher poly, ran like complete ass (12fps).
A remake should target native 1080p, 60fps, all cutscenes rendered in-engine and real time, with increased geometry and texture maps, coupled with better lighting (depending on target platform of course).
In that case it would most likely be for iOS/Android in the same fidelity as that G-Bike game, which I absolutly wouldn't care for :/ It's "go big or go home", meaning FFXV-like production values or no remake at all, IMO. Everything else would definitely kill all hype.
Funny thing is, even though FFVII is in my Top 3 all-time, I already explained a few times that I don't really want the remake for the game itself, for all the reasons that many already mentioned (charm/quirkiness wouldn't translate well, too wonky script for modern sensibilities, etc.), but rather for the hype and the aftermath of the announcement
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