KoopaTheCasual
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But that's been their problem for over a decade. Tons of amazing talented people. Horrible horrible management.
I don't see it whipping into shape, just in time for an FF7 remake.
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I don't see it whipping into shape, just in time for an FF7 remake.
TheWorthyEdge
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Dis gettin gud
Shadow_FFVI
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When was the last time Kitase directed a game? He did wonders in that role.
Hot Coldman
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BARRET'S WRATH LET'S FUCKING GO
APZonerunner
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The name Final Fantasy VII will take you a long way, as the spin-offs proved (Hi, Crisis Core!), but as others proved (Hi, Dirge!) if the game is not perceived as good, doesn't review well, etc, it won't carry you that far. A game with Final Fantasy VII in the title can still bomb. I think Square is acutely aware of this, too. Remasters I think get a degree of a 'pass' with reviews - look at FFX & KH - because you can't expect them to invent the wheel. With FF7's source FUBAR/missing, it'd have to be a more full remake from the ground up - and that's likely to be practically judged as a new game as a result. Can you put out those systems in 201X? How will they review? Would they be called archaic? Is a player who has been addicted to Skyrim, who is plainly who SE is eyeing to grow the FF fan base with, likely to come (back?) to FF7 with those mechanics? If the answer is no, and you're already rebuilding from the ground up, the smart choice is to reimagine.
I think more of those lost 4 million or so would be more likely to come back if FF7 were refashioned as a more modern game with the same characters, story and aesthetics, and with the code lost, this'd probably be the smartest thing for them to do. For the people that love the game at a higher level, though, that raises another question, like I say, because it comes down to this 'you're repainting the Mona Lisa' argument.
Or, to use a movie analogy: I think any FF7 remake would be more likely to be a akin to a movie remake/reboot than a 'special edition' on blu-ray with new CG, to try to take maximum advantage of the name. That's a dangerous proposition in a sense, but an exciting one.
JuanLatino
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gundamkyoukai
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Also FF7 humor \ style would have no problem transferring to better gfx.
A few little changes and everything should be alright same with gameplay.
A few little changes and everything should be alright same with gameplay.
"Will", not "would"? Hmmmm...
threelights
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This thread got REALLY out of hand.
gsky better wake up soon.
gsky better wake up soon.
Stone Ocean
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Sidewinder
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FF7 is booked, now let us conjure up TLG!
gundamkyoukai
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They can't remake FF7 without it looking like Advent Children cause expectation already set so it make no sense doing it any other way.
Plus the spin off hardly ever sell as good as the original and you putting to much stock in reviews .
Stone Ocean
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We're not miracle workers.FF7 is booked, now let us conjure up TLG!
Mass_Pincup
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Thank you for your great insight, wish I could see in the future too...
GarciaHotspur
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Cow Goes Moo
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how good was that list if you could rate it
TheWorthyEdge
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Did we do something wrong? O:
funkystudent
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The only FF7 remake I would want would be in the style of The Monkey Island remakes a few years ago.
Just redraw the 2D art in HD and update the models and redo the CG. Have a option to switch between classic FF7 and FF7 HD if possible.
Do not change the gameplay, Do not go adding VO, Do not go adding extra content.
I do not what to see current Square Enix try and retell that story with their current design philosophies. Just give me that game cleaned up. Then do the same with 8 and 9.
Or maybe the RE remake would be another example of keeping the core of the classic game while tweaking a few things. But that would be as far as I would go.
Just redraw the 2D art in HD and update the models and redo the CG. Have a option to switch between classic FF7 and FF7 HD if possible.
Do not change the gameplay, Do not go adding VO, Do not go adding extra content.
I do not what to see current Square Enix try and retell that story with their current design philosophies. Just give me that game cleaned up. Then do the same with 8 and 9.
Or maybe the RE remake would be another example of keeping the core of the classic game while tweaking a few things. But that would be as far as I would go.
I don't know man. People are focusing too much in that FFVII remake thing instead of thinking on more realistic reveals.
GarciaHotspur
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TheWorthyEdge : May i ask you a question ?
AgentChris
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So this PSX event will be bigger than all the E3's... TLG, FFVIIR, Crash, GT7 and Agent
Sidewinder
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I'm sure Y2Kev could do it by himself, if only he were to believe..,
Shadow_FFVI
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Did Kagari inadvertently confirm FF VII Remake?
I don't know what to think anymore...
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TheWorthyEdge
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Go for it!
It sure sounds like it...
KoopaTheCasual
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It's been WAY too long without him at the helm of a title. I have no idea why he doesn't see all these issues and just say "everyone stand back, and let me show you how it's done". He's been too busy hyping up Toriyama as some sort of protege, when that man really does not have what it takes to inherit the franchise.
GarciaHotspur
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The game you know, have you seen it pronounced somewhere in this thread ?
TheWorthyEdge
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legacyzero
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Hype trains about to derail...
No FFVII Remake please.
I too want it, but it's too soon.
Let Sony deliver something new and exciting with PSX and SE focus on the absurdely promising FFXV, then give the remake, just in time for the 20th anniversary of the game.
Considering SE it's announcing a completely new game, which is not a remake, and it hinted it's a collaboration with another studio, isn't it more plausible CC2 it's the first candidate?
I'd actually love CC2 developing a new Star Ocean. (either that or Strelka Stories, or another SE IP)
I too want it, but it's too soon.
Let Sony deliver something new and exciting with PSX and SE focus on the absurdely promising FFXV, then give the remake, just in time for the 20th anniversary of the game.
Considering SE it's announcing a completely new game, which is not a remake, and it hinted it's a collaboration with another studio, isn't it more plausible CC2 it's the first candidate?
I'd actually love CC2 developing a new Star Ocean. (either that or Strelka Stories, or another SE IP)
APZonerunner
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Again, a lot of FF7's original code is lost, so it sadly isn't really possible to do the Monkey Island or Halo 1/2 style treatment. It'd have to be built from the ground up. Definitely possible for 9 and quite likely for 8, however! Would love to see this happen for 9. A lot of the art for that game in particular was rendered at a much higher quality than made it onto the disc, as Mama Robotnik uncovered all that time ago. Hopefully Square has all that stored...
Right. The game would have to look modern. The question I was posing and making a point around was if the game would also need to play modern, and in line with that how much it would have to change to be a viable release if it was more a remake than a remaster (since a remaster seems largely impossible).
RE Spin-offs vs the original: Obviously. FF7 is over 10 million. Crisis Core actually ended up getting well over 3 million - on PSP, a machine which didn't really do very well! It was hugely successful. Dirge was a bad game, received poor reviews and poor word of mouth, and the sales reflected that, not even hitting half of what Crisis Core did on the PlayStation 2, a machine with one of the largest install bases of all time.
FFX-2 was simialrly successful - over 4 million copies of it were sold compared to FFX's 6.5 million (ish). Again, that was a good (if polarizing) game. That carried it. If you want an example of what happens to less well-received games, just look at the sales of FF13's sequels, which drop off at a faster rate. Anyway, point is - the numbers do largely end up bearing out the quality in these instances.
As for reviews, bit off topic but -- it's not about reviews as much as it is about the general public perception and word of mouth. Reviews are just one thing that feeds into a melting pot of opinion, but reviews are a major force in that; they help to create a narrative for many before they even try the game themselves. In that sense, bad (p)reviews can absolutely 'sink' a game and good (p)reviews can make a game, but only through association with a generally good or bad buzz. They can help to create a bad (or good) buzz, which is key. This is more true than ever in the social media age and all that; reviews and previews are often the conduits which kick off discussion on places like GAF and Twitter and the like, and from there people make their choices, take their sides, and fight their corners for their opinions. All of this can effect a game deeply when it comes to performance at the store.
Unless FF7 visibly came out as a remaster, at a remaster price, in the same way KH & FFX did, the expectation from the public would likely be for a version of the game that's evolved, not just graphically, but in all departments. So the game would probably have to change - it very likely wouldn't just be the same game but prettier. That's all I'm saying.
DarkLordMalik
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So much going on in this thread.
FF VII Remake. The Last Guardian. So much secrets.
I won't be surprised to see both of them in the future at some point.
FF VII Remake. The Last Guardian. So much secrets.
I won't be surprised to see both of them in the future at some point.
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havent beenhere for two days whats going on, where is this ffvii remake coming from
gundamkyoukai
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Yep Kitase needs to show everyone how it's done again .
Krusenstern
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Someone just spill all the beans already. I don't like playing the waiting game for announcements.
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