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[StuBurns]

I clearly remember the first trailer of DS2 being woody snowy darky
Plus: first gameplay I saw of DS2 had a character dressed like a friar of sorts
Plus2: are you sure there's no Claymore or Flamberge in DaS?

Oh, a trailer. It's one thing to suggest Abrams is a big DS geek, and might want to reference the game, but reference a Blur made trailer? Seems even less likely to me.

I don't know which gameplay you're referencing.

Those swords are in the game, but they're not glowing or anything. And actually, there are glowing/firey weapons, but it's hard to imagine any similar imagery in TFA wouldn't just be because Star Wars has lightsabers.

 

[emalord]

Oh, a trailer. It's one thing to suggest Abrams is a big DS geek, and might want to reference the game, but reference a Blur made trailer? Seems even less likely to me.

I don't know which gameplay you're referencing.

Those swords are in the game, but they're not glowing or anything. And actually, there are glowing/firey weapons, but it's hard to imagine any similar imagery in TFA wouldn't just be because Star Wars has lightsabers.

That DaS vibe clashes with the SciFi setting, of course
Probably I felt that because of this teaser framing, taken out of context

 

[Tabris]

So I've been re-watching Star Wars.

And Episode 3 > Episode 6. COME AT ME.

 

[NoPiece]

Do you remember Leia looking sweaty and dirty?

Yes yes yes.. Not in the movies though.

So I've been re-watching Star Wars.

And Episode 3 > Episode 6. COME AT ME.

Both bad, but 3 is worse just because of the lousy actors (I didn't say acting, which was bad in both).

 

[StuBurns]

That DaS vibe clashes with the SciFi setting, of course
Probably I felt that because of this teaser framing, taken out of context

Well the framing is very video game for sure, you can almost imagine the camera pitching a little and you being able to run around slicing trees, but I'm not sure the imagery is really from any specific source.

I've never really considered it, but perhaps, a 'video game-ification' of action films is just related to that sense of viewer placement within the scene. Although Star Wars has always done this. People talk about EP3 and jumping the platforms, etc. But even the first film includes that first person perspective shot of flying into the trench of the Death Star. It's now evocative of a game, because you're not in the perspective of either the character, or a camera following him, you're the nose of a ship, which makes no real sense, but is common in games, but obviously it predates gaming.

It's the snake eating it's own tail at this point. Star Wars is arguably the biggest influence on gaming of any piece of media. Everything is tied up in referencing and alluding to its own inspirations, and influencing and impacting other things in the process.

That shot could be an allusion to the first DS2 trailer, who knows, I doubt it personally, but I wouldn't be shocked. Incidentally, Abrams is working with Valve on their stuff being adapted for film, and one of their three writers is a colossal Souls fan... Anything is possible.

 

[FeD.nL]

So I've been re-watching Star Wars.

And Episode 3 > Episode 6. COME AT ME.

I'm with you. And I've said it before but for me 'Order 66' is the sequence that all the prequels were culminating to, The betrayal and utter destruction of the Jedi order and then combined with the music was just heartbreaking the first time I watched it. Star Wars' Red wedding imo, and even though the characters that get killed might not have been characters most of the general audience cared about I did.

 

[zma1013]

So I've been re-watching Star Wars.

And Episode 3 > Episode 6. COME AT ME.

The ending space battle and light saber duel outshine any of the Ewok stuff for me so in that regards it's better than Episode 3 purely for those things. Although I haven't seen it in some years, there's not much I remember being particularly good about it other than it was just simply better than the other 2 prequels but not by much. The ending light saber fight in Ep3 was just comical in my eyes, sorta like a Peter Griffin vs Chicken sketch, only they weren't playing it for laughs whereas the Ep6 one was full of emotion and tension and relative simplicity.

 

[DOWN]

It's not CG, just poor image compositing.

What's the shadow?

 

[NekoFever]

I'm confused. Are they going with The Empire still existing, but under different leadership? And did The Empire stop using the clone army?

They needed a clone army because the Republic didn't have an army, and they needed one quickly to fight the Separatists. But once they were up and running they could supplement/replace clones with regular recruits.

The clones are all dead or retired by the time of the OT, let alone the new movies.

And why would the Empire just stop existing after ROTJ? That was a major victory for the Rebellion, sure, but the Empire still has a much larger military and holds all the core planets. They lost their figurehead but still has a whole system of government to maintain control.

 

[maharg]

I'm with you. And I've said it before but for me 'Order 66' is the sequence that all the prequels were culminating to, The betrayal and utter destruction of the Jedi order and then combined with the music was just heartbreaking the first time I watched it. Star Wars' Red wedding imo, and even though the characters that get killed might not have been characters most of the general audience cared about I did.

People don't dislike the Order 66 sequence because the characters who died were minor (I mean, really? It's a star wars prequel. Obi and Yoda were obviously going to survive, everyone else was going to die). People don't like it because, unlike the Red Wedding, it was completely unearned. If it had been what the prequels were building up to *well* no one would have had a problem with it.

But Anakin's Evil Button being pressed just isn't really all that interesting and it just comes off as empty shock value.

Ewoks be damned, RotJ's throne room and space battle scenes are among the best in the entire series and stand above basically anything in the prequels.

 

[DOWN]

What happened to the 3D theatrical releases of Episodes II & III?

EDIT: nixed by Disney, just like all their other plans for 3D conversions of their old animated films

http://deadline.com/2013/01/exclusi...asfilm-passes-to-focus-on-new-trilogy-414739/

 

[TCRS]

And why would the Empire just stop existing after ROTJ? That was a major victory for the Rebellion, sure, but the Empire still has a much larger military and holds all the core planets. They lost their figurehead but still has a whole system of government to maintain control.

that retcons the whole celebration scene though doesn't it?

 

[maharg]

that retcons the whole celebration scene though doesn't it?

What celebration scene?

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

What celebration scene?

...

Seriously, bro?

 

[Fudgepuppy]

So I've been re-watching Star Wars.

And Episode 3 > Episode 6. COME AT ME.

Wrong.

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

The scene where the Sand People are about to take Luke at the start of A New Hope and R2D2 is hiding behind some rocks. In the special edition they added more rock to hide him more.

So fucking stupid.

Cant wait for the original untouched editions.

 

[maharg]

...

Seriously, bro?

This video's cool, but there's a weird dead spot in the middle. What's with that?

Spoiler

If they do mean the parts that were in the original, there's nothing in that scene that's 'retconned'. And even if they are talking about the stupid shots of other planets from the SE, well, go look at how often Soviet client states toppled statues of Lenin and Stalin without actually breaking away.

[/notspoilerjustexplainingthejoke]

 

[zma1013]

that retcons the whole celebration scene though doesn't it?

They can celebrate a major defeat of the Empire and still have more of the Empire to battle. They celebrated in ep4 as well but guess what, the empire strikes back.

 

[NekoFever]

that retcons the whole celebration scene though doesn't it?

Not really. Look how many uprisings have been crushed throughout history. And the Empire may have lost certain planets in the aftermath but there are still millions more. They're not above destroying a planet to keep systems in line, after all.

 

[BlueDogAnchorite]

So I've been re-watching Star Wars.

And Episode 3 > Episode 6. COME AT ME.

I love them both

 

[TCRS]

...

Seriously, bro?

well I meant the scene on Coruscant. it's highly unlikely that the capital planet of the empire would celebrate the death of the emperor.

 

[Coreda]

What's the shadow?

Not sure what you mean. There's of course a shadow there but the additions in that shot aren't CGI, they've been composited in using images.

 

[StuBurns]

If we start ranking them, then the Emperor has already won.

Spoiler

5>4>6>3>1>2

 

[Sesuadra]

well I meant the scene on Coruscant. it's highly unlikely that the capital planet of the empire would celebrate the death of the emperor.

oh. that. I think for a lot of people it never happened. But yes, that is strange.

But if the rumors are true and disney gives us a blu ray release of the theater movies before the new movie is in the theaters, the whole coruscant scene would be nullified?

 

[EatChildren]

Unfathomably unnecessary. Good grief.

 

[Easy_D]

The scene where the Sand People are about to take Luke at the start of A New Hope and R2D2 is hiding behind some rocks. In the special edition they added more rock to hide him more.

Lol. How the hell did he even get in there if the edit is what's canon?

 

[munchie64]

The scene where the Sand People are about to take Luke at the start of A New Hope and R2D2 is hiding behind some rocks. In the special edition they added more rock to hide him more.

Darth Vader saying "no" in ROTJ makes more sense than that.

oh. that. I think for a lot of people it never happened. But yes, that is strange.

But if the rumors are true and disney gives us a blu ray release of the theater movies before the new movie is in the theaters, the whole coruscant scene would be nullified?

Well I'd think that the sequels would have either editions be canon.

 

[Fiktion]

But if the rumors are true and disney gives us a blu ray release of the theater movies before the new movie is in the theaters, the whole coruscant scene would be nullified?

This might be a thing? Yesssss.

 

[Jigorath]

So I've been re-watching Star Wars.

And Episode 3 > Episode 6. COME AT ME.

This isn't a controversial opinion anymore. Return of the Jedi was shit.

 

[shira]

^

lol this edit makes no fucking sense

http://zippy.gfycat.com/RevolvingSnappyIndusriverdolphin.webm

 

[StuBurns]

This isn't a controversial opinion anymore. Return of the Jedi was shit.

First act is hawt.

 

[Madness]

Am I the only one who preferred when Lucas actually added a shitload of fighters and aircraft in the prequels? The originals seem ridiculously outdated now. It's not about adding effects for the sake of it, but the fact we're seeing one of the large battles between a Galactic Empire and large rebel alliance. And perhaps the second in command of the empire is fighting with 3 ships against like 5 ships.

I want battles to feel almost on a galactic scale at times. Give me as much eye candy as possible when it's tasteful. I was actually blown away by the battle above Coruscant when I saw it, just in terms of sheer size and that, that is what a large space battle looks like.

 

[Sesuadra]

Am I the only one who preferred when Lucas actually added a shitload of fighters and aircraft in the prequels? The originals seem ridiculously outdated now. It's not about adding effects for the sake of it, but the fact we're seeing one of the large battles between a Galactic Empire and large rebel alliance. And perhaps the second in command of the empire is fighting with 3 ships against like 5 ships.

you know, a lot of effects he added are shit. like the jabba scene..but one thing I don't hate are a few more fighters in space fights. but everything else? throw it out of the window and just clean up the picture a little bit..

 

[munchie64]

Wow.. this Jedi hate is crazy.

 

[Akainu]

Man, I know I remember seeing attack the block years ago but I still didn't think Boyega would be so young; the Ridley girl too. How old was Hamill when star was came out?

 

[DOWN]

I think the cross guard saber looks really intriguing. Looks like some amped modified one that an outlier character in the story has customized.

 

[Number_6]

Don't bother, you're not going to convince the people who like it. The guard wouldn't have saved Luke, Vader, or Dooku's hands and the design of the guard wouldn't even protect the saber itself.

Better to just hope they're vents and wait and see how it actually ends up being used.

Seatbelts and airbags don't save everyone who get in an accident. Airbags have even killed people. I guess they're stupid, useless, and unneeded.

The saber would protect itself if the side emitters aren't emitters at all, but just beam covers. Slicing through them would just reveal more beam, which cannot be sliced through.

It still presents a conundrum, They can't retroactively make cross guards useful (unless they pull a Lucas) when no master has ever needed it or would have been saved had they had one. If it works in this new movie, it'll be in spite of all the evidence pointing to them being unnecessary. At that point, there's nothing to do but accept it and move on but it doesn't change how a guard isn't seen being used by any Jedi or Sith spanning multiple generations and skill levels, from padawans to grand masters. Refusing to see how that might be problematic is being willingly obtuse.

In canon, we've only seen a handful of masters in the whole history of the universe. Given the prequels, "pulling a Lucas" would be equivalent to having no imagination at all.

So for the thousands of years the Jedi order had been in place, no one was ever clever enough to make guards common place in spite of their obvious utility? This is problematic and no amount of denial is going to change that.

There are other reasons for the "guard" that would circumvent the issue, namely if its primary function isn't as a guard at all. If they're on this saber for some very special and specific reason, that's all well and good, but until we actually see that purpose in action, there's no way to wave away the question of why guards never appeared before.

We don't know this. Perhaps it fell out of style. Perhaps it's an ancient design that was lost to time. Perhaps it is especially difficult to construct. Or part of a rare and deadly fighting style.

OR

Maybe the design is outdated and the guy just made a choice to be different.

OR

Maybe the lightsaber in the teaser itself is ancient.

BUT

Maybe I shouldn't bother to convince you. Your apparent determination to make a big stink about a movie based on imagery from one second of a teaser, with all your "evidence", reveals you for the hater you are, even if your own post on JJ pages back hadn't.

 

[Gawge]

Six-week old kid reacts to the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd_ViraxXJM&app=desktop

 

[Madness]

you know, a lot of effects he added are shit. like the jabba scene..but one thing I don't hate are a few more fighters in space fights. but everything else? throw it out of the window and just clean up the picture a little bit..

Oh of course. I hate the random and useless CGI as well. But other things I appreciate. I'd always want theatrical editions to exist so people remember the films exactly as they saw them in theaters, but then some changes weren't so bad.

Adding windows to Bespin Cloud City, changing how it was approached, some Vader shots. There were plenty of other small things, I'm not talking about random animals added for show, or weird things, but slight changes that added to overall continuity and modernizing a bit. But these should always have been extra directors cut things. Keep the theatricals exactly as people remember it.

 

[PdotMichael]

Never understood how LucasFilm was advertised as some CG magicians. Their CG didn't even look good for the 90s or early 00s.

Even a mid-tier budget movie like Starship Troppers has better and timeless CG effects than everything in the Star Wars prequels and special editions.

 

[DOWN]

Never understood how LucasFilm was advertised as some CG magicians. Their CG didn't even look good for the 90s or early 00s.

Even a mid-tier budget movie like Starship Troppers has better and timeless CG effects than everything in the Star Wars prequels and special editions.

Industrial Light and Magic have some brilliant work under their belts (Pirates of the Carribean, Star Trek), but it doesn't show well in Star Wars films.

 

[raphier]

Never understood how LucasFilm was advertised as some CG magicians. Their CG didn't even look good for the 90s or early 00s.

Even a mid-tier budget movie like Starship Troppers has better and timeless CG effects than everything in the Star Wars prequels and special editions.

If I remember correctly, LucasFilm pioneered bluescreen CGI. When Lucas decided to film the prequels inside a room, the industry took a notice.

 

[robertsan21]

Six-week old kid reacts to the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd_ViraxXJM&app=desktop

Im fucking dying here hahahahahaaha

 

[rubex75]

The scene where the Sand People are about to take Luke at the start of A New Hope and R2D2 is hiding behind some rocks. In the special edition they added more rock to hide him more.

How the fuck did R2-D2 even get in that gap in the bottom pic? Did someone throw him in?

 

[Melon Husk]

The Lucas-isifed trailer is actually better.
Those fancy action shots used to look so empty.
You can induce some story elements from the action shots, which can't be said from the original one.

 

[FeD.nL]

Six-week old kid reacts to the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd_ViraxXJM&app=desktop

I'm in tears hahahha thanks for posting

 

[Fliesen]

How the fuck did R2-D2 even get in that gap in the bottom pic? Did someone throw him in?

obviously.

 

[BocoDragon]

I'm sure most of us didn't look much different than the six-week old when we watched the trailer.

 

[StuBurns]

I'm sure most of us didn't look much different than the six-week old when we watched the trailer.

I couldn't believe how much I cared.

That kid looks like Yoda, I guess all kids do kind of.

 

[Tertullian]

This sort of response doesn't help. It just looks like an immature person throwing a little tantrum instead of making the 'other side' look ridiculous.

I have no idea what you're getting at. My post was in response to the guy who was complaining that the cast isn't diverse enough, when Abrams and company have done an amazing job of making the cast more diverse than 95% of blockbusters. I was satirizing people who make totally unreasonable demands and are never willing to compliment progress if it's anything less than 100% perfect. I wasn't scoffing at the very idea of gay or transgender actors, or something. What any of this has to do with a tantrum, I have no idea.

The proper response to the cast of Force Awakens is to say "hey, it's great that the case is so diverse and that we've made so much progress. Hopefully in the future, we can do even better." Not "fuck you J.J. for making the main character black instead of middle eastern!" which is literally what that poster opened with.