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[Omegasquash]

agree....people should get some shards back after spending so many on upgrading exotics.

It's not even like it's "so many" either. It's (was) a lucky raid for enough energy to get an exotic over those last three damage bumps. I'm not talking months here, but like...

I don't have time to grind that much. It's three or four evenings a week after my kids go to bed. Can't really spend time with the wife while I'm playing either. Handing the energy/mats back to me would be cool. I don't think Bungie are dicks here, it just seems like a strange thing to not do. I'm still going to play and have fun, but like...it's just extra work.

Oh well. Here's hoping Vision, Verdict, and Final Boss (arc) are useful in the Hellmouth. THOSE are leveled up and solar/arc is likely where it'll be at. Just gimme my legs this weekend on the raid, Vault. Fuck.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

Soooooooo?

You want Bungie to give you your mats back so you can put them into the new DLC legendaries?

Weird.

I also never said that mats were not needed at all, I said they were not needed for exotics.

Yes..there should be some reward for the dedicated players who spent hours upgrading and attaining exotics, all those energies would sure he handy if I had known they would be all for nothing.

Who said anything about new DLC legendaries..I dont have all legendaries upgraded currently yet in the base game. I spent those on exotics which was a waste of time.

 

[LiK]

I'm just dumbfounded at how clunky and undocumented all of the post-20 progression in this game. It's seriously bewildering. If it wasn't for Hawkian and his guide I would have literally no clue.

They really could use a much simpler system.

I don't have time to explain.

 

[tbm24]

Yes..there should be some reward for the dedicated players who spent hours upgrading and attaining exotics, all those energies would sure he handy if I had known they would be all for nothing.

Who said anything about new DLC legendaries..I dont have all legendaries upgraded currently yet in the base game. I spent those on exotics which was a waste of time.

You don't have to do the upgrade if you do not want to. You can keep your already upgraded items and try and just find the new ones instead and do it that way.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

You don't have to do the upgrade if you do not want to. You can keep your already upgraded items and try and just find the new ones instead and do it that way.

true, but I want to upgrade them all, gaming OCD lol.

 

[MaxiLive]

Urg this really sucks for someone like me he only plays one character and just wants to have fun with the game. To me this just screams keep the grind going from Bungie as peeps with 2-3 characters have milked every single loot opportunity and have almost everything they need. This is a way to semi reset the grind to keep a few more weeks of people grinding strange coins.

I'm not sure what the difference is between the guns and I haven't been really following destiny but was looking forward to the new DLC. But most MMOs just adjust the current weapon or add an additional level of upgradability, which seems like Bungie has done but you have to trade in your current progress to unlock the new upgrades? That just seems very backwards to what MMO progression is usually and nulls a lot of the core players progress over the past few weeks?

I may getting this all wrong as I've only briefly scanned through the changes but they all seem super strange and its not as if Destiny's loot system isn't strange enough xD

 

[GlamFM]

Yes..there should be some reward for the dedicated players who spent hours upgrading and attaining exotics, all those energies would sure he handy if I had known they would be all for nothing.

Who said anything about new DLC legendaries..I dont have all legendaries upgraded currently yet in the base game. I spent those on exotics which was a waste of time.

Gaming in gerneral is a waste of time.

This is a total non argument.

You invested this time into leveling up your gear aka you played the game.

The reward was more powerful gear which got you through strikes, raids and some PVP.

I don´t see where time was wasted.

 

[flkraven]

I'm just dumbfounded at how clunky and undocumented all of the post-20 progression in this game. It's seriously bewildering. If it wasn't for Hawkian and his guide I would have literally no clue.

They really could use a much simpler system.

Bungie: "Nah man, fuck that. We'll just make that shit more convoluted. Get ready to do the exact same dailies again, but on December 9th you'll get the privilege of earning Vanguard commendation and Crucible commendation in addition to the various forms of reputation you love grinding!

We have read all the feedback, and we think it's great that everyone loves Ascendant Shards and Energy as much as they do. Since people love grinding for this shit, we decided do expand this further! Get ready for Radiant Energy and Shards, which are totally different than the now-crappy Ascendant garbage. Pfft, fuck that Ascendant stuff. Also, don't forget to buy your new Exotic shards from the vendor that only shows up once a week with random crap for reasons... Enjoy!

Also, fuck you!"

 

[silver.tongue]

GUYS, GUYS, GUYS!


Just to be clear because, I´m not sure everybody got it.


The Upgraded Exotics will be more powerful right from the start.

They will start at 302 and you will have to level them to get to 331.

Seems completely logical to me.

I don´t see what the problem is.

Yes, I see your point, and yes this makes it less wrong, specially since upgrading exotics is less obnouxious now, still what makes no sense is you getting the same weapon back/paying the same no matter if it is totally upgraded or just blank.

The least they could do is make them cheaper/free (as in no glimmer needed) if they are fully upgraded.

Its just not fair.

 

[Victory Red]

At least with Ascendant Shards/Energies you could use them to upgrade Legendary Weapons, Legendary Armor, Raid Armor, Exotic Weapons, or Exotic Armor.

Now, Radiant Shards/Energies can only be used for raid weapons/armor. So after you have those maxed, you can look forward to getting shit tons more and having absolutely nothing to use for them.

 

[Grimsen]

2 simple things would make the upgrade system fine by me.

-Leaving the perks active in your traded, unleveled 302 damage exotic weapons.

-Leaving the perks active AND light level at 30 for your traded, unleveled exotic armor. (might still happen for the LL, haven't seen anything about that)

 

[Diablohead]

I was playing this earlier and for the first time ever was playing with nothing but legendary weapons on me, my feelings towards leveling up that galahorn have died, might as well wait for the mk2 version before I spend time and effort on it.

The more I think about it WHILE PLAYING the more dumb resetting the skill tree is to me, at first I felt it was ok because you replace your weapon with a better one, but the fact that you can hand in an untouched exotic and get given the same upgrade is dumb.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

Gaming in gerneral is a waste of time.

This is a total non argument.

You invested this time into leveling up your gear aka you played the game.

The reward was more powerful gear which got you through strikes, raids and some PVP.

I don´t see where time was wasted.

Gaming is a waste of time is a strawman argument, it isn't even sensible.It's like saying gaming is not that important when there are things going on in the world, it is a game forum..... Game forums are a waste of time too, what's your point?

The time was wasted as i could have kept the energies and waited to upgrade them now, or bungie should allow for current weapons to either refund the energies, or some other benefit from having them maxed (Cheaper to upgrade, etc..).. I can still get more powerfull gear without needed to spend all that time and energies upgrading exotics.

 

[LiK]

I was playing this earlier and for the first time ever was playing with nothing but legendary weapons on me, my feelings towards leveling up that galahorn have died, might as well wait for the mk2 version before I spend time and effort on it.

The more I think about it WHILE PLAYING the more dumb resetting the skill tree is to me, at first I felt it was ok because you replace your weapon with a better one, but the fact that you can hand in an untouched exotic and get given the same upgrade is dumb.

yep, I thought it was fine at first but then it hit me that I would need to relevel the entire thing again from the beginning. no thanks.

 

[Omegasquash]

At least with Ascendant Shards/Energies you could use them to upgrade Legendary Weapons, Legendary Armor, Raid Armor, Exotic Weapons, or Exotic Armor.

Now, Radiant Shards/Energies can only be used for raid weapons/armor. So after you have those maxed, you can look forward to getting shit tons more and having absolutely nothing to use for them.

Standard MMO progression, which makes some sense. It's the same as raising a level cap. The rare stuff isn't as rare anymore when everyone gets it, so here's some new rare stuff that you can grind for.

I ain't mad...they're not charging me $15/mo for this. Pretty sure the fun/dollars ration skews WAY more in favor of dollars for me thus far.

 

[hiryu]

Well this kills any chance of me playing this game again. They are basically making up for the lack of new content by making you treadmill again on the same items. Sure they will be better but I'm sure people would rather just have new stuff. At least I would.

 

[sturgboski]

When a new World of Warcraft raid tier is introduced, old gear becomes outdated and is not capable of being upgraded. Darkwing Lair brought gear that was better than Molten Core. Naxxramas had gear that was better than Ahn Quiraj. Most of the time there were not quests that let you make up the difference, and there was never an upgrade path for old items.

I do hope that all the Quartermaster gear gets upgraded. WoW usually offers a new level of token-based gear upon arrival of a new raid tier.

Ok I agree with that. New raids should provide better gear. But the issue is that, at least expansion to expansion (keep in mind your example was "free" content added to vanilla WoW and not a paid expansion), the previous raid gear gets you a certain length into the new content before needing to be replaced. That certain length is dependent on the tier of raid gear. Further, with transmogrification, you can have newer gear look like the older gear you might like better.

In the end its just to add a way to drag out the process to mask an extreme lack of content.

I'm on my cell so thanks to a previous post with regard to weapon damage.

Further, just read that the lack of public event care packages is a bug that Bungie is looking to fix. I assume it will be fixed around launch of the next expansion, like some of the exotic fixes...

 

[GlamFM]

Gaming is a waste of time is a strawman argument, it isn't even sensible.It's like saying gaming is not that important when there are things going on in the world, it is a game forum..... Game forums are a waste of time too, what's your point?

The time was wasted as i could have kept the energies and waited to upgrade them now, or bungie should allow for current weapons to either refund the energies, or some other ebenfit from having them maxed.. I can still get more powerfull gear without needed to spend all that time and energies upgrading exotics.

Sure, you could have stopped playing two weeks ago, and you could have waited for the DLC.

But you didn´t, and I assume you had fun playing the game.

Try to measure the value of your time in "fun you had" and not in Ass Mats.

It´s not wasted. It´s invested - IN FUN!

 

[benicillin]

Well this kills any chance of me playing this game again. They are basically making up for the lack of new content by making you treadmill again on the same items. Sure they will be better but I'm sure people would rather just have new stuff. At least I would.

There is new stuff. There is new armor, new exotic weapons, new raid gear.

 

[w00zey]

Well this kills any chance of me playing this game again. They are basically making up for the lack of new content by making you treadmill again on the same items. Sure they will be better but I'm sure people would rather just have new stuff. At least I would.

Isn't it kinda new stuff? You are getting a more powerful weapon with the same perks you like.

If you don't like what you have you can find another new exotic or legendary you like better.

 

[MastorofPuppetz]

Sure, you could have stopped playing to weeks ago, and you could have waited for the DLC.

But you didn´t, and I assume you had fun playing the game.

Try to measure the value of your time in "fun you had" and not in Ass Mats.

It´s not wasted. It´s invested - IN FUN!

A part of the fun is upgrading gear not ass mats...which was wasted time for me. When other games come out with new content your existing gear is good up to a point until you acquire new gear, not making your current gear obsolete and have to grind the same crap again.

 

[iRAWRasaurus]

I assume you will both change your minds once you see someone ripping crota to shreds with a fully leveled Gjallerhorn 2.0.





Upgrading Exotics doesn´t require ascendent mats anymore.

Still don't have Gjallerhorn

 

[robo]

I have 3 characters all lvl 29 all with 13 or over exoctic items.

Over 60% are maxed 30.

The reset of stats will be a huge blow for all my characters.

The rng gods love my drop rates, the raid rng hates my guts and has dropped only 4 raid armor pieces across all 3.

To get back to were I am now with maxed weapons and armor, will take me to destiny2! Lol

An extra upg layer was what I was expecting and looking forward to, a full reset of each item to lvl it again wasn't.

Exoctics take an age to lvl, doing it again and potentially for longer I am not looking forward to.

I currently have 50 coins, that's only 4 pieces or 10% of the items I have that I can reset and only 3 I can then max out again, without getting more coins.

So I am looking at approx 3 months just to get back to my existing levels, hmm thanks bungie.

And that doesn't include picking up and levelling any new stuff I get from the dlc.

And my game buddies were calling me a jammy bastard for the gear drops, think they may be laughing at me now 😂

 

[Van Owen]

Jesus, just make it cost a big more to upgrade and add another 3 bubble damage tree to upgrade at the end.

 

[BokehKing]

How hard is it to make new guns that fire different kinds of ways??

New guns and armor should be a higher priority than everything else outside of raids



But yeah, can't wait to upgrade my radiant dance armor

Boost dance skills by +100

 

[GlamFM]

Still don't have Gjallerhorn

Got it in last weeks NF. Fully leveled it in 4 days... Gave it it first test last Tuesday.

Atheon hates that thing!

 

[benicillin]

Jesus, just make it cost a big more to upgrade and add another 3 bubble damage tree to upgrade at the end.

I don't understand how this is a solution because it's still just adding more XP gains and if you ever get the weapon as a drop after the DLC hits it will be totally inferior to new exotics because of the extra materials you have to put in to reach the same level.

 

[GlamFM]

A part of the fun is upgrading gear not ass mats...which was wasted time for me. When other games come out with new content your existing gear is good up to a point until you acquire new gear, not making your current gear obsolete and have to grind the same crap again.

Your current gear is absolutely still good enough. Considering the new Raid is at level 30 you are good to go with your current stuff.

The new Hard Raid will be the only reason to get new stuff.

 

[border]

Ok I agree with that. New raids should provide better gear. But the issue is that, at least expansion to expansion (keep in mind your example was "free" content added to vanilla WoW and not a paid expansion),.

But it's also pretty clear that The Dark Below is not an expansion in the same sense as a World of Warcraft expansion. The Dark Below is a new raid tier with a couple extra dungeons, not something on the level of Burning Crusade or Wratch of the Lich King.

The "free" content added to vanilla WoW came at the cost of $14/99 x 6-12 months.

And the current raid gear will take you well into the Crota's End raid -- I haven't read for certain, but normal mode probably won't have any enemies over Level 30, so most people should be pretty well equipped for it already.

 

[Omegasquash]

Still don't have Gjallerhorn

Got it last night for the Nightfall. Going to hold off on using now (obviously), but it's my first exotic heavy. Looking forward to playing around with it.

 

[The Jackdog]

Im level 25. Never did the raid cause no matchmaking. Couple friends have the game, gave up on it.

This new DLC isn't giving me much incentive to get back into the game

 

[The Lamonster]

Here's the big problem with this upgrade system:

No one will have any proper motivation to spend any time and resources leveling vanilla exotics.

People (myself included) are going to get a brand new exotic, which should be fun and exciting, and throw it straight into the vault until Xur offers the [expansion 1] upgrade for it.

 

[benicillin]

But it's also pretty clear that The Dark Below is not an expansion in the same sense as a World of Warcraft expansion. The Dark Below is a new raid tier with a couple extra dungeons, not something on the level of Burning Crusade or Wratch of the Lich King.

The "free" content added to vanilla WoW came at the cost of $14/99 x 6-12 months.

And the current raid gear will take you well into the Crota's End raid -- I haven't read for certain, but normal mode probably won't have any enemies over Level 30, so most people should be pretty well equipped for it already.

Normal mode is lvl 30, hard mode is 33 (supposedly.) So if you have a 300 atk gun you'll be doing 100% of the damage you could be doing to them and having a higher atk gun won't help you a whole lot until you hit the raid on hard.

 

[tbm24]

Im level 25. Never did the raid cause no matchmaking. Couple friends have the game, gave up on it.

This new DLC isn't giving me much incentive to get back into the game

You couldn't do the raid at 25 if you wanted to. Matchmaking isn't the reason for that. NeoGaf's matchmaking thread had you covered the whole time m8. Nice people in there, go say hello if you're so inclined.

 

[border]

So I am looking at approx 3 months just to get back to my existing levels, hmm thanks bungie.

You understand that it's an upgrade, and not a "reset" right? If you want to stay at your existing level, you can. If you want to increase your level, then upgrade your gear.

 

[GlamFM]

Im level 25. Never did the raid cause no matchmaking. Couple friends have the game, gave up on it.

This new DLC isn't giving me much incentive to get back into the game

It literally takes minutes to find a Raid team on GAF. Some kind gaffers even do newbie runs where they take it slow and explain everything. Give it a shot.

 

[JayEH]

Bungie doesn't know what expansion means.

They know they need to expand their wallets.

 

[w00zey]

People (myself included) are going to get a brand new exotic, which should be fun and exciting, and throw it straight into the vault until Xur offers the [expansion 1] upgrade for it.

This is a good question that i didn't think of. What makes you certain all new exotics won't be of 302 level? I thought they said the weapons won't be part of the DLC.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Soooooooo?

You want Bungie to give you your mats back so you can put them into the new DLC legendaries?

Weird.

I also never said that mats were not needed at all, I said they were not needed for exotics.

The principle really isn't that weird. In MMOs, when a significant game change is made (usually to the character/skill system), they may reset you back to level 0 but they give you all of your skill/spec points back, so you can just respec to a spot that is basically lateral to where you were.

 

[BMO = GOAT]

Im level 25. Never did the raid cause no matchmaking. Couple friends have the game, gave up on it.

This new DLC isn't giving me much incentive to get back into the game

I can help out. Tonight if you available we find a group

 

[The Jackdog]

You couldn't do the raid at 25 if you wanted to. Matchmaking isn't the reason for that. NeoGaf's matchmaking thread had you covered the whole time m8. Nice people in there, go say hello if you're so inclined.

No i know, and I actually have the gear to go to the right level, but i don't feel like spending time farming materials. sounds like zero fun.

And i know there are plenty of people willing to do the raid and stuff, but I'm really busy. I don't want to commit to a time, have something come up, and let down 6 new nice dudes.

Id rather let down friends i can be like "shut up man"

 

[Strider]

GUYS, GUYS, GUYS!

Just to be clear because, I´m not sure everybody got it.

The Upgraded Exotics will be more powerful right from the start.

They will start at 302 and you will have to level them to get to 331.

Seems completely logical to me.

I don´t see what the problem is.

Player A has fully upgraded Gjallarhorn (took many hours to get mats/exp to get)
Player B has a Gjallarhorn with no upgrades.
They both go buy the upgrade from Xur and now have the same weapon.

You don't see the problem with that? This system actively fucks over all of the more dedicated players. It's a pretty big time sink in Destiny to level these items up as it's already too grindy to begin with... Now they want to make you do it all over just 3 months after launch. That's a complete joke. Let those players that took the time to level this stuff up enjoy it for a while. Other games have level cap increases and loot grinds upon new content but it's always at least a year between this cycle and usually a lot more.

 

[robo]

You understand that it's an upgrade, and not a "reset" right? If you want to stay at your existing level, you can.

Yeah, but the grind man, the grind!

As I said, an extra upg tier to unlock the new lvl's would have been great, this way isn't a good way, for me anyway.

 

[benjammin]

you don't put a 100 hours into a game if you're not enjoying it

If i'm not enjoying a game I don't put more than 20 minutes into, 100 hours.....thats more than 10 and you still kept chugging along.

That was before finding out that all the progress I made on leveling weapons and armors would be erased every time dlc was released. if they want to artificially increase playtime then that's fine, but I'll play games where the progress that I made counts for something instead.

 

[The Lamonster]

This is a good question that i didn't think of. What makes you certain all new exotics won't be of 302 level? I thought they said the weapons won't be part of the DLC.

I'm talking about vanilla exotics, which will still be rewarded to players.

If you finally get an Ice Breaker, are you going to start using it right away and upgrade it or are you going to throw it in the vault and see if Xur has the upgrade token available on Friday?

It's always going to be the latter, and that is a huge problem. It cheapens exotics on the whole.

 

[Omegasquash]

Im level 25. Never did the raid cause no matchmaking. Couple friends have the game, gave up on it.

This new DLC isn't giving me much incentive to get back into the game

You can get a raid group pretty quick, and complete strangers have all been pretty fun when it comes to the raid. Strikes you might get a slacker every now and again, but raids need to be organized, so the folks there tend to be at least friendly, if not pretty good. Good way to grow your friends list, too.

 

[BMO = GOAT]

No i know, and I actually have the gear to go to the right level, but i don't feel like spending time farming materials. sounds like zero fun.

And i know there are plenty of people willing to do the raid and stuff, but I'm really busy. I don't want to commit to a time, have something come up, and let down 6 new nice dudes.

Id rather let down friends i can be like "shut up man"

With this weeks update. Materials became easy, trade in 10 Vanguard marks or Crucible marks for 20 of any material you choose.

 

[w00zey]

I'm talking about vanilla exotics, which will still be rewarded to players.

If you finally get an Ice Breaker, are you going to start using it right away and upgrade it or are you going to throw it in the vault and see if Xur has the upgrade token available on Friday?

It's always going to be the latter, and that is a huge problem. It cheapens exotics on the whole.

That is what I was asking are vanilla exotcis still going to exist?

I was at least somewhat happy to see the picture of xur and he had what looked like 14 exotics at a time available for upgrade.

 

[Carcetti]

Im level 25. Never did the raid cause no matchmaking. Couple friends have the game, gave up on it.

This new DLC isn't giving me much incentive to get back into the game

You haven't missed much. I've done the raid almost since the start (missed the first week before getting a group) and you know how many raid armor pieces I've gotten. Zero. That's a 0, so I can't even start going into the new raid with the proper level, thanks to the most idiotic loot system in the history of MMOs. I've also gotten only 3 guns total from the raids. Oh and you know what? Out of those 3 guns, 2 were duplicates and 1 is the terrible Hard Light. Rest is ASS SHARDS and ASS ENERGY I can't even use because I don't have weapons to level.

 

[benicillin]

Player A has fully upgraded Gjallarhorn (took many hours to get mats/exp to get)
Player B has a Gjallarhorn with no upgrades.
They both go buy the upgrade from Xur and now have the same weapon.

You don't see the problem with that? This system actively fucks over all of the more dedicated players. It's a pretty big time sink in Destiny to level these items up as it's already too grindy to begin with... Now they want to make you do it all over just 3 months after launch. That's a complete joke. Let those players that took the time to level this stuff up enjoy it for a while. Other games have level cap increases and loot grinds upon new content but it's always at least a year between this cycle and usually a lot more.

I consider myself a dedicated player and I've leveled up quite a few exotics (and will happily take a fully upgraded Gjallahorn into the normal raid on day one and be thankful that I have it) and I don't feel like anyone "fucked me over."