CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)

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Ziltoidia 9

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DeathyBoy said:
The problem was building to Punk vs Lesnar THEN having him feud with Axel/Ryback. Should've had him work his way up, then face Brock. Instead he drifted and... wanted to beat Heyman up, I guess.
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I agree, its been a while but now i remember all that. I remember how crappy it all seemed.
 
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Cj01 said:
Ever since CM Punk did that crap to Greg Miller from IGN a few months ago I cant take him seriously. I just think what if Greg was a younger kid and a true fan that would have been devastating.
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Greg Miller is an obnoxious clown, he probably had it coming.
 
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Matthew Gallant said:
RVD was over in 2001, because everyone was over in 2001. RVD is a theme song and an arsenal of 619-level horseshit.
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Oh come on. Dude was considerably more over than like every other guy on the roster at the time. He was the babyface in the heel stable. There's a reason they put him into those main events with Austin and Angle and didn't replace him in the Alliance with another WWF guy like they did with everyone else (Booker T aside, the other success story of that run).

He also didn't have the theme music until he turned face and they released the quite frankly incredible Forceable Entry CD. Always enjoyed his first WWE theme though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWj8Q4d4RJw
 
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Ziltoidia 9 said:
Axel should have just been Lesnar's attack dog on raws. That way Axel could have done lesnar's fighting when he wasn't there. The whole Axel line was horrible because it was shady shit and basically asked the crowd to like him because "PAUL HEYMAN GUY". If the Axel stuff didn't ruin it at first, the ryback stuff truly ruined it. I think vince likes to just shit on anything that is good.
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"Paul Heyman Guys" always seem to me to be the guys with zero mic skills and Heyman has to basically be their mic skills. He's the mouth they lack and his guys are the wrestling ability he lacks. Smush them together and you'd have a decent wrestler. Always felt like that was why Ryback and Axel were Heyman guys to begin with. They needed someone to actually produce some decent mic skills for them. Same with Brock Lesnar. Especially since they need a shit talker for part timers during the times between PPV's.
 
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All they had to do with Cesaro is make Heyman shut the hell up about Brock while he was out there, tease some tension between him and Brock and then used one of these 3 fucking Cena matches (or 2 depending on TLC) on Cesaro V Brock. Cesaro wouldn't even need to go over, just stand toe to fucking toe.
 
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GolazoDan said:
Oh come on. Dude was considerably more over than like every other guy on the roster at the time. He was the babyface in the heel stable. There's a reason they put him into those main events with Austin and Angle and didn't replace him in the Alliance with another WWF guy like they did with everyone else (Booker T aside, the other success story of that run).

He also didn't have the theme music until he turned face and they released the quite frankly incredible Forceable Entry CD. Always enjoyed his first WWE theme though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWj8Q4d4RJw
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There were plans to make him champ on the Raw side in 2002 but Triple H blocked it from happening so that he could have a longer title reign. In 2001 there was no way in hell wwe management were going to put over a WCW/ECW character over. Once they saw that the Invasion angle was failing and they needed an out, they put all of them as mid-carders.
 
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Hasney said:
All they had to do with Cesaro is make Heyman shut the hell up about Brock while he was out there, tease some tension between him and Brock and then used one of these 3 fucking Cena matches (or 2 depending on TLC) on Cesaro V Brock. Cesaro wouldn't even need to go over, just stand toe to fucking toe.
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Seriously.

That shit books itself.

Can't believe they squandered that.
 
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Bowser said:
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Still a mystery how Punk got fired on his wedding day. Will we ever know!
 
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strobogo said:
RVD should have won the title in 2001 when he was most over. He was never as over during that period with Austin/Angle and that killed him just as much as losing to HHH in 2002.
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If you injure Trips, make Trips look bad, or make Trips jealous you get fucking buried.

RVD is the poster boy for that.
 
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Buckethead said:
If you injure Trips, make Trips look bad, or make Trips jealous you get fucking buried.

RVD is the poster boy for that.
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RVD is the poster boy for injuring people, sure. Austin wouldn't put him over when it was pretty important. Because RVD spent 2001-2003 busting people open constantly. And then he crushed HHH's throat a year after Austin refused to drop the title for him. Yet no one shits on Austin for that. Then they finally gave him the title and he immediately got arrested with Sabu. I'd say HHH, Austin, and Vince made the right call.
 
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strobogo said:
Not at all truth. HHH has been one of the best in ring guys in the past 14 years in WWE. It's stupid that people buy into him getting where he got 100% based on HBK/Stephanie. He was supposed to get a huge push in 1996. Then got it in 1997, which carried through into 1998. He won his first title before he and Stephanie were even in the angle that ended up with them together in real life. He was a chosen one before Steph was even an on screen character.
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All that had nothing to do with 3 out of his 4 best friends being the most pushed wrestlers in the company. Not to mention being on the booking team as a barely over mid card heel in '97. That was just a coincidence. Just like it is a coincidence that his wife just happened to be the daughter of the owner of the company which subsequently gave him the most air time post attitude era which tanked ratings. Interestingly enough, he's getting the most air time or close to it 10 years later despite being well into his 40's and not on the active roster.

You can't choose who your best friends are, just like you can't choose who you fall in love with.
 
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strobogo said:
RVD is the poster boy for injuring people, sure. Austin wouldn't put him over when it was pretty important. Because RVD spent 2001-2003 busting people open constantly. And then he crushed HHH's throat a year after Austin refused to drop the title for him. Yet no one shits on Austin for that. Then they finally gave him the title and he immediately got arrested with Sabu. I'd say HHH, Austin, and Vince made the right call.
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Fair.
 
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Buckethead said:
If you injure Trips, make Trips look bad, or make Trips jealous you get fucking buried.

RVD is the poster boy for that.
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RVD is the poster boy for grabbing the brass ring and completely fucking it up. He won the WWE title from John Cena and was also the poster boy for the new ECW. And what does he do? Gets busted for pot, completely proving the fear that he couldn't be trusted with the big title.
 
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Glorified G said:
All that had nothing to do with 3 out of his 4 best friends being the most pushed wrestlers in the company. Not to mention being on the booking team as a barely over mid card heel in '97. That was just a coincidence. Just like it is a coincidence that his wife just happened to be the daughter of the owner of the company which subsequently gave him the most air time post attitude era which tanked ratings. Interestingly enough, he's getting the most air time or close to it 10 years later despite being well into his 40's and not on the active roster.

You can't choose who your best friends are, just like you can't choose who you fall in love with.
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I don't know what any of that has to do with his talent on screen. Once the brand split happened, he and Taker were the only Attitude Era guys left. As a result, both were made the anchor of their brands. Once Batista and Cena were built up, they were given less focus as the top guys. In the last 2 years, HHH (and Steph) have been absolute MVPs on WWE shows. HHH was in the WWE MOTY this year. He's in better shape than he's been in in 6-8 years and of the 3 matches he's had this year, he's lost all of them. To younger talent. Cleanly and definitively.
 
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I don't understand the bashing RVD for doing tree thing. His whole wrestling persona was built on him being a burnout. Its not like he had sex with a dead corpse, stole a dead body from a cemetary and drove around with it, beat his wife, or poured feces on his coworkers.


Vince wanted to see ECW die and when Rob screwed up he saw his chance to get rid of the ECW chants. Getting busted could have been used as a great way to differentiate himself from Cena in their program, but WWE cares too much about perceived negative PR.
 
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strobogo said:
Not at all truth. HHH has been one of the best in ring guys in the past 14 years in WWE. It's stupid that people buy into him getting where he got 100% based on HBK/Stephanie. He was supposed to get a huge push in 1996. Then got it in 1997, which carried through into 1998. He won his first title before he and Stephanie were even in the angle that ended up with them together in real life. He was a chosen one before Steph was even an on screen character.
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Thank god he got temp buried for the curtain call, Having Austin go over at the KoR created Austin 3:16 (well that and Jake being clean for the 200th time and spouting his bible stuff).

I don't really care about him being a clique baggage handler or whatever, but just to me I never bought into his whole schtick. When I watch Triple H talk I just feel like I am watching fake wrestling.

Like he tries to do all the things you should be doing but...he just comes across as an alien or android trying to mimic a professional wrestler, I don't know how to explain it.

Randy Orton is another one in a similar vein, but A LOT more noticeable than HHH.
 
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CastleRybread said:
I don't understand the bashing RVD for doing tree thing. His whole wrestling persona was built on him being a burnout. Its not like he had sex with a dead corpse, stole a dead body from a cemetary and drove around with it, beat his wife, or poured feces on his coworkers.


Vince wanted to see ECW die and when Rob screwed up he saw his chance to get rid of the ECW chants. Getting busted could have been used as a great way to differentiate himself from Cena in their program, but WWE cares too much about perceived negative PR.
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He was busted by the cops. You're confusing real-life shit with wrestling shit.
 
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CastleRybread said:
I don't understand the bashing RVD for doing tree thing. His whole wrestling persona was built on him being a burnout. Its not like he had sex with a dead corpse, stole a dead body from a cemetary and drove around with it, beat his wife, or poured feces on his coworkers.


Vince wanted to see ECW die and when Rob screwed up he saw his chance to get rid of the ECW chants. Getting busted could have been used as a great way to differentiate himself from Cena in their program, but WWE cares too much about perceived negative PR.
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Why on earth would your champion and therefore nominal face of your company getting arrested for drugs be a good thing? Even though it was just pot. There is nothing good to come from "WWE Champion arrested for drugs". It's a public company. That's dumb as shit, friend. There is no positive benefit of having the guy representing your company the most out of anyone getting busted with anything. Dude couldn't even wait to get to a hotel room? Dude had some terrible judgement and everyone who didn't think he should get the title were proven right not even a month into the reign.
 
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The period where trips was just having street fights and beating people with a lead pipe was his best heel period imo. Too many people think about Triple H as Steph's Husband or the backstage man versus what he has done as a wrestler, it's cool to shit on him. He's probably not up on the same level as Rock or Austin (god like) but he is just right behind them.
 
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strobogo said:
I don't know what any of that has to do with his talent on screen. Once the brand split happened, he and Taker were the only Attitude Era guys left. As a result, both were made the anchor of their brands. Once Batista and Cena were built up, they were given less focus as the top guys. In the last 2 years, HHH (and Steph) have been absolute MVPs on WWE shows. HHH was in the WWE MOTY this year. He's in better shape than he's been in in 6-8 years and of the 3 matches he's had this year, he's lost all of them. To younger talent. Cleanly and definitively.
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He's certainly a talented wrestler and he wouldn't have gotten this far if he wasn't...but the backstage shit certainly helped him.

Him doing things like creating his own world title and making it the Ric Flair belt so that he could cosplay as Ric Flair for a year is not something anyone else would be able to get away with.
 
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jmdajr said:
Once they found a money maker in Cena the dude put him over. Outside of that no one was going to replace Austin or Rock. NOBODY.
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In the worst way possible, remember wayyyyy back when Kurt Angle feuded with Cena he was supposedly chided and punished for not being able to turn the boos for Cena and cheers for Angle around to the correct face/heel direction the feud was supposed to be in.

Yet when HHH gets to feud with Cena it's suddenly ok to poke fun at the role reversal and HHH played the face role to the crowd without a slap on the wrist.
 
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PhantomZone said:
In the worst way possible, remember wayyyyy back when Kurt Angle feuded with Cena he was supposedly chided and punished for not being able to turn the boos for Cena and cheers for Angle around to the correct face/heel direction the feud was supposed to be in.

Yet when HHH gets to feud with Cena it's suddenly ok to poke fun at the role reversal and HHH played the face role to the crowd without a slap on the wrist.
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The Angle thing was dumb since they couldn't get him booed no matter how hard they tried. They gave HIM Davari and he even said shit like "I'm not a fan of the black people" and he still got more cheers than Cena.
 
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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
He's certainly a talented wrestler and he wouldn't have gotten this far if he wasn't...but the backstage shit certainly helped him.

Him doing things like creating his own world title and making it the Ric Flair belt so that he could cosplay as Ric Flair for a year is not something anyone else would be able to get away with.
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Still. None of that matters. Top guys playing politics in business where top guys get paid a lot of money is how every business works. Taker and Austin pulled rank all the time. So did Hogan, Macho, Flair. There are probably only two top guys who never fucked around and refused to put guys over or work with them: Sting and The Rock. You're so hung up on the behind the scenes shit that it lets you cloud the on screen stuff.

PhantomZone said:
In the worst way possible, remember wayyyyy back when Kurt Angle feuded with Cena he was supposedly chided and punished for not being able to turn the boos for Cena and cheers for Angle around to the correct face/heel direction the feud was supposed to be in.

Yet when HHH gets to feud with Cena it's suddenly ok to poke fun at the role reversal and HHH played the face role to the crowd without a slap on the wrist.
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Angle didn't get in trouble for that. In fact, right after he was turned face and given a title run. The whole angle got turned into a joke that nothing Kurt could do (including making fun of black people, the troops, and Jesus) could get the fans to boo him over Cena. Then he got rewarded for his work. So, no, HHH didn't get away with doing something Angle got in trouble for just a few months earlier.
 
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BlazinAm said:
There were plans to make him champ on the Raw side in 2002 but Triple H blocked it from happening so that he could have a longer title reign. In 2001 there was no way in hell wwe management were going to put over a WCW/ECW character over. Once they saw that the Invasion angle was failing and they needed an out, they put all of them as mid-carders.
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Say what you will about Vince Russo, but back in his day if a guy was getting that kind of pop he would have just put the belt on him. People were hot for RVD, they wanted RVD as champ.
 
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Matthew Gallant said:
You come on. The only thing that rolls more than RVD in an RVD match is my eyes.
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Yeah but in 2001 that shit was awesome! Him and Jeff Hardy doing dumb shit, what the hell. Plus he got the hardcore title on lockdown. It briefly became a real title when he had it.

RVD by the time they decided to give him the world title was kinda done. I don't think he really regained whatever he had originally after they split him up from Kane in like 2003, to be honest. All of his highspots had been seen before except now he was doing them at half speed.

At least him fucking up set us on the eventual path to Mr. McMahon: ECW Champion. Best bit of trolling I've ever seen. Easily a better wrestler than most ECW Champions tbqhwy.
 
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