Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows
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Yeah. I kind of wish we had organized a Skype chat after the episode aired. Like 5-10 people just shooting the shit and talking about it. Or doing something on PS4. But it's much easier talking to people. Because you can gauge how someone feels. It's not really personal. And you can have that conversation without it getting emotional, or feeling bad.
I feel like I learn a lot more from different perspectives talking.
SoulUnison
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This is what I'm expecting.
It's a plot point that's been set up since Book 1.
Hiroshi Sato (To Lin BeiFong): "Not even your esteemed mother could bend a metal so pure!"
Zaheer (To Korra): "You won't get out - unless the Metal Clan taught you a way to bend platinum."
Then we have Zaheer setting up the "Your powers are limitless" theme/foreshadowing.
I think we're about to get the culmination of "the four elements are an illusion" and "the Avatar's power is limitless."
Korra's bound to get a fairly major power-up, maybe even becoming a minor Reality Warper.
EDIT: Oh, I also think there's been set-up for her "breaking" the rule of not being able to bend when meditating into the spirit world, but I'm not sure there's actually anywhere for that to fit into the plot with only 2 episodes left. Kuvira is the *least* spiritual Korra villain.
Agree. Korra really shouldn't end up with anyone. It wasn't really in her story. It would be nice for a protagonist in a show, to not be weighed down by a romance. Just someone that stands on their own,and is strong. Someone that focuses on themselves (because their own self needs focus). There is nothing wrong with romance and having a partner. BUT...I think it's nice to have a little variety.
Plus the plot doesn't support it. I'll groan so fuckin hard if Korra and Mako end up together in a flash forward epilogue. Would be so troll. Would be such a cop out, because the plot never really supported it, or built up to it. I kind of wonder if people would win that bet. I guess an Epilogue is technically apart of the series. Goddamnt Bryke. SMH
Still think Korra is going to energy bend herself.
Let's not complain about things that haven't even happened yet. There'll be plenty of time for that later.
No way!
Bataar Jr. and Iroh Jr. is the real OTP here. Junior shipping.
No way!
Bataar Jr. and Iroh Jr. is the real OTP here. Junior shipping.
Lol finale will have so many glorious tears.
Astral Dog
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Korra is the definition of wasted potential, so many oportunities and characters not fleshed enough for the episode format, and network.
I dont have any true expectations since the last episodes of book 1, but, its got an amazing world, i got fond of some characters like Korra, Tenzin or Lin as shallow as they can be, the backdrops are gorgeous, the choreography is well done, the music is better than the first series, etc.
If anything, i dont think there are many shows like Korra on tv, Avatar goes for a more detailed anime inspired setting while keeping the action focus, thats an interesting take on Western Animation/cartoon.
I enjoyed going along for the ride.
Also the first three episodes were the highpoint of the series, the introduction was very well done, they are the ones i remember fondly.
I dont have any true expectations since the last episodes of book 1, but, its got an amazing world, i got fond of some characters like Korra, Tenzin or Lin as shallow as they can be, the backdrops are gorgeous, the choreography is well done, the music is better than the first series, etc.
If anything, i dont think there are many shows like Korra on tv, Avatar goes for a more detailed anime inspired setting while keeping the action focus, thats an interesting take on Western Animation/cartoon.
I enjoyed going along for the ride.
Also the first three episodes were the highpoint of the series, the introduction was very well done, they are the ones i remember fondly.
firehawk12
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Wow. I can't imagine how someone who loves this franchise must feel, because as a casual fan, I think I witnessed something worse than Book 2 today.
Yup, it's gonna be amazing when Republic City goes down.
victreeb3l
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Kuvira bot is somehow better than S2's spirit jaegars.
Shit it looks so stupid. But I still really enjoyed this episode. Bataar Jr. is going to kill Kuvira.
I hope the spirits get involved somehow. They probably will. Mega vine.
Shit it looks so stupid. But I still really enjoyed this episode. Bataar Jr. is going to kill Kuvira.
I hope the spirits get involved somehow. They probably will. Mega vine.
JadedWriter
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I'm still convinced the spirits are going to shoot a mind rape beam of light at Kuvira like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weK5m6Jn0zY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weK5m6Jn0zY
Admiral Woofington
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well let's not go that far. But the idea of giant robot in a show based off martial arts is off putting
Yeah that's something to consider. Like, I think the design of the robot itself looks really stupid/silly. But then again, I also think the problem with the Korra/Kaiju right wasn't just that it looked silly and played out clunky. It was more so like, just the overall plot and how it was used. How the fight itself was done. It was just a mess.
So really, the robot can look as stupid as it wants. As long as the fighting stuff is great. And the last episode was cool. So.
I just can't imagine Kuvira stays in that robot for the majority of the episode. At some point she has to get knocked out of it. I mean just from a practical point of view, Kuvira being in it for more then 10 min means she would decimate all of Republic City. That beam alone can take out a pretty substantial chunk. So her running wild on the City for like 10 min would pretty much leading nothing left.
So I do think Korra is going to take on the robot obviously right away. And I imagine Kuvira will be taken out of it early on. Then they will keep fighting (because this isn't even my final form). I'm going to sigh if Kuvira DOES end up fusing with the spirit vine energy (like we joked about)....and becomes a mutant (after the Robot is destroyed). Not really sure how they would do that. And I don't think they would do that at this point.
But just lol
JadedWriter
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Maybe the spirit vine super soldier serum is already in her back pocket. Kuvira seems like a determinator though. She's not going to let something like her robot being smashed dissuade her from her goal so defeating her will take a bit. Korra will probably just break all of her bones or something with an avatar state tornado.
Astral Dog
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Kuviratron whises it was the giant Vaatu spirit.
Yeah she seems like a go for broke character. So, if the robot fails she will resort to anything to get what she wants. So her using some kind of serum would definitely make sense, and not be that out of the blue.
I just hope they don't make her like the Hulk or some freak mutant (if they went that route). Bryke has always basically, defaulted to villains becoming super. Because it's the only way to match up a villain to that of the Avatar (who as a concept, is just too OP). This season, they got around that by Korra being her own enemy, and not having her full power. You could argue, Korra has always been weak in general, so that was a way for them to make it so Korra as an Avatar was more equal footing as the conflict.
They even did it with Aang kind of. Ozai had to depend on Sozins comet. I guess Azula was a good threat, just because Aang barely just learned his bending. So he was weak as a bender, and couldn't control his Avatar state. So that is how they evened the playing field.
But I just think with Kuvira, they've already established that she's not really that strong. Like against a healthy Korra in Avatar State, no chance. Zaheer basically had to turn into Superman to become an equal footing threat.
So once they get rid of the robot (assuming it isn't the majority of the episodes), they will have to do something to make Kuvira that equal threat. Which is why I have a hunch they will resort to something crazy (like a serum) or something to pump her up.
Yeah I kind of agree. But I also felt that way going back to Book 1. I mean, it wasn't awful per se. But the idea of like technology mixing with a world of magic, and like you said, with everything rooted in martial arts (that's really what bending is)....it always felt jarring to me.
For all the criticisms you could have against Kaiju Korra and Unavatuu, you could at least say they were fighting like hand to hand, and using their spirit energy. So it looked incredibly stupid. And the fight was really dumb. But it doesn't feel as lol (at least to me) as a big fuckin Robot. Also, why did they go with that design? Out of all the designs for a robot mech, the thing looks like something out the Jetsons. It's just so silly.
I agree. I just think, unless they plan on having that robot be the entire focus of the episode, at some point she will get ousted from the Robot. So how do they put her on equal footing against Korra? That is why I'm worried about them going to something else to make her pumped up (like how they had Zaheer become superman).
I'm just pissed they go from just inventing zeppelins and in one generation have giant mechs with arm cannons and we still can't make flying cars after decades. I mean, come on.
I swear to God, if Wu becomes King I'm going to rage. The dude is incompetent as hell.
Slamtastic
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Admiral Woofington
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The topic of technology in this show is something I have a big issue with.
Martial arts and technology can still co-exist peacefully without fucking silly anime technology. The series was doing fine up until people like Varric started introducing mecha suits. Technology was relatively grounded to the 1920's era they were basing the show off of.
The second we started introducing mecha suits that's when I knew the show jumped the technological shark. These are technologies we don't have today and you expect me to believe that a show where technology hasn't advanced past early ford vehicles and silent films can all of a sudden create technology that we ourselves don't have in this modern day and age where technology moves at a much faster rate than Korra's world?
The spirit vine weaponry I can forgive because it's basically their version of the atomic bomb, but now they're using it as a cannon.
S1 was the perfect representation of technology in the show, if you suspend your disbelief a tiny bit with certain technology. The idea that the non-benders advance technology so they can have a chance against benders is great, but executed poorly.
An issue with the show is that probably in reality, just like the swords and cannons irl, they should have used the technology from cannons and so on to create guns/rifles. But it being a Nick show means they can't show that particular aspect of technological advancement. It would have been a great statement if all of a sudden nobody is bending as heavy because guns kill people faster, and a lot of folks move on to using guns in warfare.
I guess my argument is that technology can be grounded and still present a threat. All Kuvira really needed is to have a vehicle, such as a big ass tank, with the cannon on top, and ground troops surrounding it as to protect it. It didn't need the mechs nor the giant mech.
I personally wouldn't have a problem with the Mech if it looked more steampunk-y.
Steampunk is defined by it's rough looking, asymetric looking design. The one Kuvira has, other than looking stupid, just flat out looks like it's from another show entirely. If her mech had this kind of roughness, it'd be easier to swallow, because this obviously isn't an ideal, refined design, so I could buy it as this massive prototype kind of weapon.
I wasn't a fan of the smaller mechs that were introduced in the first season either though.
Slamtastic
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finale spoilers: varric invents guns and korra kills kuvira excecution style
Admiral Woofington
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an issue with mechs is that I doubt they have the stabilization technology people are working on today.
Make that fucker trip at all and it's a goner and then they'll wonder "why didn't we create a vehicle without an ass-tastic center of gravity"
Make that fucker trip at all and it's a goner and then they'll wonder "why didn't we create a vehicle without an ass-tastic center of gravity"
Yeah, just from a design point of view, it doesn't feel like it belongs. It looks like something out of the Jetsons (as I said). So fuckin silly and hokey.
I love how the robot takes on a human form, and the way its legs look. Ugh. I literally started laughing when I saw it.
She'll be a hero, history is written by the victors.
I would take serum over that POS mecha any day. In fact I was hoping for serum from the get. At least the spirit cannon gave me FFVII mako cannon vibes. /sigh
? The mechs were introduced in Book 1 tho.
I dunno. Imagine what Bryke would have come up with, design wise for a Hulk Kuvira. Could have looked even worse.
Not of that size, and not really of that design. But to be fair, Woofington was saying he had an issue with technology the entire time (going back to Book 1). I have mixed feelings on it, personally. I don't have an issue with it per se, in terms of the world moving forward. I think the idea of bending and tech co-existing is really interesting. I guess I just have found it sort of jarring, since so much of the show is based around Martial Arts. Having robots for fighting has always seemed kind of silly to me.
But at least with the old robots, they felt a bit more grounded.
Admiral Woofington
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I had completely forgotten about them in book 1, though now that I'm recalling I didn't much care for them then and was hoping that was the end of the technology-breaking.
Fool me once, etc...
Sato had some. But they were a bit more bulky, and more low to the ground. They also weren't like, a match up against bending really.
Well I wasn't really thinking buff Kuvira so much as I was thinking an avatar-esque mode much like everyone thought was the case during The Battle of Zaofu.
Oh well that makes more sense since its spirit energy. My bad. Yeah I wouldnt have minded that.
Yeah, Varrick streamlined the design of the regular sized mechs but it's not like it was that much of change.
But obviously the jump to super giant fighting robot is still quite the stretch.
My guess is that the robot is probably going to be taken down by an EMP. (We saw Varrick do that on a smaller scale a few episodes back.)
Admiral Woofington
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I had completely forgotten about the EMP. I can see it now: Varric, Bataar Jr and maybe Asami go somewhere. Varric suggests the EMP rod, they start thinking about a large enough rod they could use for the sense of scale of the mech.
Admiral Woofington
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See that makes too much sense though and I doubt the victory they'd want is to have science win the day.
Another possibility is that they storm the mech all secret ops and try to take it out from the inside with Bataar Jr's info on what they need to do. Maybe there's a deathstar-like weakness of "don't bend in here" hole.
Another possibility is that they storm the mech all secret ops and try to take it out from the inside with Bataar Jr's info on what they need to do. Maybe there's a deathstar-like weakness of "don't bend in here" hole.
Astral Dog
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What about the "serum" gives Kuvira different colored eyes and spirit pink/purple veins over her body?
Can Korra fly? if she can,she could use the Avatar State to go the head and stop Kuvira
Admiral Woofington
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technology was still world war-based with a steam punk design. They didn't have somebody pull a fighter plane bomber. And Korra has been way more open about the technology aspect with direct reference to 1920's culture, such as the radio speaker's voice.
Yeah sure. But we are talking about robots that do hand to hand combat. That's not even something we have today.
And regardless of whether something makes sense logically in a plot, I still think there is such a thing as whether...something feels or looks right. Whether it just meshes. And I've always found the whole mech/robot stuff to not feel right with a martial arts/magic kind of show.
Just my personal opinion. I think the Avatar world already has enough problems trying to maintain plausibility because of how broken Bending really is (in terms of it being used within this world). So starting to throw shit like massive robots walking around and fighting hand to hand, it just feels like okay. Just me though. And visually it just looks silly when paired off with the world/bending. So for me, it's not always a question of logic, it's more so how something feels and fits into a world (both visually, and just how it meshes).
That's nasty.
shh no tears now
Amazing.Leaked image from the finale.
She'll always be my hero.
But for real, I still can't believe you all hate the giant robot. It's sweet, even if its design leaves much to be desired.
Leaked image from the finale.
So that is fuckin amazing.
I don't see how this contradicts what I said? Mechanized tanks came about during WWI, proper airships between the world wars. Iron-clad warships are a product of the victorian era. ATLA was set in a period that appears to be something like 3-400 years prior to those inventions. And they jumped from that to '1920s' in about 40 years as well.
I mean, that's actually the whole point of a steampunk aesthetic, which even ATLA had, particularly with the fire nation. Mechs are not uncommon in that aesthetic and the usual world-appearance is approximately victorian era. It really doesn't matter if *we* don't have something to these worlds because their technology progressed differently (not just a different pace, but differently).
Unlike most steampunk universes, though, Avatar actually has a reason for it: Bending has clear application to technological advancement. Their ability to build things with metal in the presence of metal-bending and fire-bending will be quicker than ours.
Now if they were using computers I'd have more of a problem with that.
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