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What are your thoughts on Xillia 2?
Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows
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JadedWriter
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Lol...Dune fan (You guys are so lucky I edited out that Sting gif):Wait, we are disputing canon due to quality?
That is well-meaning, but it immediate deteriorates conversations on a work.
Even if you think canon REALLY took a left turn.
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Lol...Dune fan (You guys are so lucky I edited out that Sting gif):
But I love Sting and his Winged Space Thong!
JadedWriter
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Wait, we are disputing canon due to quality?
That is well-meaning, but it immediate deteriorates conversations on a work.
Even if you think canon REALLY took a left turn.
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You know, if you think about it, "canon battles" are sort of how religions worked. The stories we have from most religions are ones that people believed in because it resonated with them for some reason or another, and they took those beliefs with them wherever they went, sometimes totally taking over because they brought those stories to war and won. There are lesser versions of major gods and goddesses that were celebrated from city to city, and then there were the primary versions that were universal.
Undoubtedly for something like Classical Mythology, there were many variations of even single stories -- like the story of the love, and fate, of Artemis and Orion. One is that a big Scorpion is sent to kill Orion to stop him from being married to Artemis. There are multiple versions saying just who sent it, changing the meaning of the story. There's another one that says Apollo tricked Artemis into shooting a speck far off in the sea, only for her to find out later she killed her boyfriend. There's even a version that combines both of them, where the same Scorpion chases Orion off an island into the sea, where he is then accidentally killed by Artemis's bow. But all these stories have survived thousands of years, and they're all "true." (And just imagine the ones that were lost that we never heard.) And obviously they didn't all come from the same source, though there were priests and priestesses who would prefer one story or another.
And what's the difference between the fabric that makes Legend of Korra and the fabric that makes a story about a god? Really, when you get down to it, there isn't any. It's the same stuff, so when you pull it, tear it, cut it, wear it, it works just the same. If you want to find something, it's that there might be a better comparison to the books of the Bible in terms of strict sanctioning. But even that has cultural variations. And if Avatar survives a thousand years, there won't be any stopping its evolution by official creators. God knows, our insane species. We might fight a war over who Korra bones at the end. Makorra? Korrasami? There are lives at stake here, man!
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I think you guys are starting to go a bit nuts waiting for the finale and realizing this is the end of Avatar.
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Less wordz, more dank memes pls
Icyflame where r u? :c
Icyflame where r u? :c
JadedWriter
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Oh shit I just noticed that I'm an actual member now. Good bye lowly junior status!!!
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congrats!
What's the value? SpongeBob?
JadedWriter
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Thank you, though I find it weird and disturbing that I can exceed even Gaf's weirdness threshold.
Just thought I would stop by. Watched ATLA when it was airing and loved every single second of it. LoK was a bit different I watched like 8 episodes of season 1 then never came back until end of book 3 and marathoned it.
I regret that I never kept up with it but happy since I didn't have to sit through the cliffhangers. I love LoK right now and I'll be sad when the finale airs (on my birthday of all days) so its sort of fitting.
Now I'm not sure if this is right place but has Michael or Brian said anything about future works?
I regret that I never kept up with it but happy since I didn't have to sit through the cliffhangers. I love LoK right now and I'll be sad when the finale airs (on my birthday of all days) so its sort of fitting.
Now I'm not sure if this is right place but has Michael or Brian said anything about future works?
JadedWriter
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Given how Nick has been handling of the show, most likely not. If they do anything it'll probably be a different IP and if it is a new show I highly doubt they'll be the creative team behind it.
Sure. But I think any writer worth their weight in salt, knows how to step back and also consider what has been written before (the continuity). There is no excuse for lazy writing. The only thing I will say, writers are under extreme pressure and time to get things written. But I just don't understand how you can have a team of writers, and some very basic things aren't put in check. Things that could be fixed, just by having a round table discussion.
I mean, just us in this thread alone, could spend 40 min reading a script, and pointing out the issues with certain things (like overall plot stuff not working with past plot). They really aren't capable of doing that?
And what gets me, there is plenty of shows with the same format and same deadlines, that are able to do this. So at a certain point it just feels like, they are running with things and not really doing the proper analysis of their own writing. You look at a show like Dexter, and it's mind blowing how lazy they got. Like very basic things (such as character behaviors and basic characteristics) and past themes no longer making sense. I have to imagine it was a situation where a bunch of writers that had big egos, were basically circljerking the other, and telling them how brilliant they are and how deep they are.
So when you get a situation where everyone is just praising the other, then shit like that happens. I doubt that was the case here. I assume the problems with ATLA is just, a time thing. A little bit of time limitations/pressure, and the writers just not being very good. I've always argued that Bryke are great idea men, but not so much good storytellers (like telling the middle part of a story. They write a good beginning and end -- well, their ends for Korra have been mostly shit. But you get my point).
Looking back at ATLA, it's kind of telling that Bryke would write the opening episodes, the mid season finale episodes, two part episodes, or the finale itself. So pretty much the episodes that had major main story plot. But all the other episodes (the bulk of ATLA) was other writers. So it's as if, Bryke can't actually write a fluid story, but can only come up with really great ideas. Which is fine. Their ideas are damn good. Whatever criticisms you have of this series, the world they've created is really something amazing.
I sometimes wonder ATLA would have been like, if it was 13 episodes and Bryke did the majority of the writing. I really think the 22 episode format, and Bryke being able to step back and take leadership role while a talented team of writers fleshed out the characters and the side plot, also gave them the time needed, to keep coming up with the bigger ideas (ie. the finale's, the two part episodes etc.)
and TMNT, Avatar, Winx, Dora and all that old IP like Doug, Rugrats, Invader Zim, Danny Phantom, CatDog, Hey Arnold, ect.
Wait, did they actually buy Nick?
Lol...Dune fan (You guys are so lucky I edited out that Sting gif):
I think it's more likely he's referring to the absolutely awful and incredibly shallow Kevin J. Anderson prequel/sequels. ;/
Not yet. Dun dun dun...
Ah got ya, someone was just proposing the idea lol. Knowing how crazy Disney has been lately snatching things up, I actually thought it happened.
I still think people are being delusional about Avatar being sold off, or us getting an Avatar show any time soon. I think the whole Netflix thing is a pipe dream. Nick is through and through, a terrible company. It would really take someone like a Netflix reaching out to them, and offering a lot of money to make them let go.
Just not seeing it. I think this is the end for us folks.
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If Disney buy Nick, maybe we'd get Nick content back on Netflix. I support
They would certainly use all of those IPs, in fact they have the rights to Doug, and gave the series an ending after Nick left it to die.
Its said that Nick got so salty about Disney's success with Doug, that they now have a policy of not selling the rights to anything ever.
If Disney bought Nick, maybe we would get Avatar on ice: a Winter bending spectacle.
Yes, people don't seem to realize this. But Nick has a history of sitting on IPs, that could have been sold to other places to make money. They are stubborn fuckers. Even if they could make money, they would rather just sit on these IPs.
I think people need to get content with Avatar comics or novels, if they need a fix after Korra ends.
EDIT: Does anyone still find it baffling, that Nick/Paramount supported that Korra game with Platinum? Like in hindsight, it really made no sense to have that made.
A. I think that game was a cynical cash grab of the weakest sort. Same with Korra Emblem on the 3DS.
B. If Disney bought Nick, there wouldn't have been a clip show and they would have likely greenlight all four seasons at once. Disney does do goodwill moves.
Viacom, who owns nick, has a multiyear deal with Amazon.
BKatastrophe
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If I recall, the boys and girls at Activision were given a list of developers to choose from, saw Platinum on the list, and immediately picked them, no hesitation. That's what I've heard though, so grain of salt and all that. I assume the game in and of itself was just a basic cash grab.
Then were the fuck is my goddamn Gargoyles revival series?
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Yeah but if Disney buys Nick, Viacom won't own Nick anymore.
Ah okay. I guess that makes more sense. I just found it baffling, because Nick at the time was not supporting the show anymore. So it just was strange to me, to kind of have that game made for a series that they expected to tank.
But I guess if it was just a cheap game cash/grab. That makes more sense.
Ya'll are grasping at straws. Time to let it go. We have to come to terms with this, and say goodbye. We aren't getting no revival. No Netflix deal.
I really 100% don't think we'll have anything in this world, for another 10 years (especially not with Bryke). I assume Bryke will end up penning a deal somewhere else, and will make a completely different series.
The only way we get something new in Avatar, is if Nick decides to trot out a new show under new writers, and it's like TEEN AVATAR. Or a more kiddie version of it that focuses more on the magic, and is pushed to sell toys and merch. But Avatar we've come to love, just isn't going to cut it anymore. It's not the demographic they are looking for.
I really 100% don't think we'll have anything in this world, for another 10 years (especially not with Bryke). I assume Bryke will end up penning a deal somewhere else, and will make a completely different series.
The only way we get something new in Avatar, is if Nick decides to trot out a new show under new writers, and it's like TEEN AVATAR. Or a more kiddie version of it that focuses more on the magic, and is pushed to sell toys and merch. But Avatar we've come to love, just isn't going to cut it anymore. It's not the demographic they are looking for.
JadedWriter
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Where the fuck are my goddamn Gargoyles DVD's? I think they only released half of the first season. Edit just checked and it's the first two seasons.
20 page argument about Canon. Some people being delusional thinking Avatar will continue on sooner rather than later.
Basically not a whole lot. Just people waiting for the finale.
It doesn't void previously negotiated deals. Those are assumed by the buying party.
BKatastrophe
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Why does anyone want Disney to by anything from, up to and including, Nickelodeon? It's not like Disney does well with their animated properties either (still bitter about Earth's Mightiest Heroes, ya rotten bastards)
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I would pay very good money for a good quality blu-ray release of the original series.
lol *shrugs*
I wasn't able to follow it, personally. But then again, what else is there to talk about. Hah. I think it's just the calm before the storm really.
I think there will be so many damn tears come Thursday night/Friday. I'm curious if people end up loving the end, or hating it.
I would pay very good money for a good quality blu-ray release of the original series.
ATLA looks like shit on DVD. For sure. Is it possible to have it be in HD? I don't understand that kind of thing. Like especially with animation made in SD and in the old ratio formats.
JadedWriter
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Veelk is fighting a one man war regarding the definition of series canon. It's an exhausting read.
I watched it on Amazon Prime and I think the first 3/4 of the first season looking like fucking hot garbage. The second season was an improvement with the final season looking pretty damn good for being in 4:3.
We could always talk about how perfect Kuvira is.
One man war? Go Veelk.
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You can blame Earth's Mightiest Heroes on Marvel themselves, especially Loeb.
Yeah beginning of ATLA is really bad. 1st season has those scanning issues. I guess I'm just not familiar with like, the source material for animations like this. If, them being made for SD TV, meant the actual animation itself was made in SD (or if it was just compressed down for SD).
Anyways, I can't see Nick putting in the effort to making this on Blu Ray. Sadly. They can't even be arsed to allow Korra's music to be released digitally. What makes anyone think they will put the time/money and effort in digging out the source animation from ATLA, and cleaning it up for a blu ray release. LOL We are just lucky that Korra was HD out the gate.
JadedWriter
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Veelk has like one or two every Korra season I think. He's the poster KorraGaf deserves.
Just not the one KorraGAF needs right now.
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