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[Magwik]

Remember at the beginning of the season when we had hope for Kuvira?

 

[Mononoke]

He had swagger, a mask and a Steve Blum voice over. I do however think the Earth Empire army can wreck the Equalists.

Plus, he also had the idea behind him. So the perception all season was that he was fighting for something that had a purpose. Like, even if we didn't agree with Amon, it was an interesting premise.

Of course, you find out he was full of shit.

To those that say Amon had Daddy issues. How is that any worse then just a "raging psychopath" that just wants power. Both are pretty shallow. But at least Amon had something to shape who he was, and that was some kind of deeper motivation.

Kuvira just falls into the raging psychopath, without any like build up to it at all, or without us knowing anything about why she is that way. I'm not defending Amon's plot. It was handled very poorly. But I still think purely in terms of a concept, I don't see why him having Daddy issues is infinitely worse then what Kuvira is.

 

[Chariot]

Remember at the beginning of the season when we had hope for Kuvira?

 

[Toa TAK]

H-how DARE YOU! SLANDER! WRITING A PM TO YOU NOW I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS


.....

Dear Toa Tak,

The accusations of me being a dog are downright insulting and I demand an apology.

Sincerely yours,
Woofington

<3

I am sorry. I love mah doggy and love all doggies.

Remember at the beginning of the season when we had hope for Kuvira?

Haven't we had enough Kuvira slamming for today? Leave the Good Hitler be, she'll impress all of you in the finale.

 

[JadedWriter]

Remember at the beginning of the season when we had hope for Kuvira?

Lord don't remind me. I lost track of the amount of times I've melted down on here.

 

[m_shortpants]

Remember at the beginning of the season when we had hope for Kuvira?

We were coming from season 3 which was great! And the first few episodes of season 4 were good as well. We had no idea how long Bryke would drag the filler out though.

Plus, he also had the idea behind him. So the perception all season was that he was fighting for something that had a purpose. Like, even if we didn't agree with Amon, it was an interesting premise.

Of course, you find out he was full of shit.

To those that say Amon had Daddy issues. How is that any worse then just a "raging psychopath" that just wants power. Both are pretty shallow. But at least Amon had something to shape who he was, and that was some kind of deeper motivation.

Kuvira just falls into the raging psychopath, with how any like build up to it at all, or without us knowing anything about why she is that way. I'm not defending Amon's plot. It was handled very poorly. But I still think purely in terms of a concept, I don't see why him having Daddy issues is infinitely worse then what Kuvira is.

Yup. I've said it before. The ending was disappointing, but for the rest of the season he was a great villian.

Kuvira has been disappointing from episode 3 onwards.

 

[Veelk]

The major problem of the Avatar State is that it's too good, too powerful. It necessarily creates the strongest being on the planet, though the various means to bring forth this power are confused by the show. It's entirely feasible that Aang was strong enough to solo the Fire Nation right out of the iceberg, but of course that doesn't make for entirely compelling drama. The show kind-of-sort-of addresses this narrative pitfall early on in The Last Airbender's second season. An earth general, considered a brilliant if not unorthodox tactician, instructs that Aang going into the Avatar State would provide the necessary weapon of mass destruction to finally end the Fire Nation's imperialism and the world war. And to this day, I'm inclined to agree with him. The conclusion of this episode would engender a franchise defining policy of writing around the Avatar State, effectively turning a fundamental aspect of the show into an albatross that is never adequately quartered.

Understand: controlling the Avatar State is being the Avatar - and being the Avatar is broadly the ultimate objective of both Aang and Korra's journey. Virtually all of my (relatively small) problems with AtLA, and most of my very big problems with the Legend of Korra, can be set up the mantle of the Avatar State's poor employment.

Have to fundamentally disagree with you in that it is in line with the themes of the series. What you are essentially suggesting is that it is okay for Aang to literally drive himself temporarily insane (or atleast relinquish control of his own actions) so that he could slaughter people indiscriminately with the ideal that most of those murdered people will be fire nation. This is not only out of line with who Aang is as a person, but it'd be a horrifying moral to advocate. It is basically asking for civilian casualties (that's what makes it a weapon of mass destruction. It gives no shit about who it is targeting), but also a perverse way of relinquishing responsibility for murder on part of Aang.

You are right that mastering the Avatar State is the ultimate end game...but it is not being the avatar. It is merely being in control though being spiritual. You could hypothetically act in a way that unbalances the world while in the avatar state. Being the avatar is making the right choices in regards to balancing the world.

You can divine any number of scenarios which effectively remove AtLA's notorious deus ex machina and rock contrivance, but this is my favorite: you move the Lion Turtle scene right to the beginning of season 3 (it makes enough sense; the guy is pretty much dead). Aang's chakras are blocked so he must now find an alternative way to reconnect to his Avatar State, and this would be the perfect fix. It puts all of the onus on to Aang to master himself across the entire season, all in time for his duel of fates. This allows the tension to build alongside that journey. Now the energybending scene feels less like a formality and more of the measure of Aang's commitment to his spiritual fortitude. No rock contrivances necessary because now Aang his empowered unilaterally. No Lion Turtle bailing out our hero at the literal last moment.

As said before, these are relatively small problems to fix, and AtLA mostly stands unbothered in the pantheon of great cartoons. But how simple it would be to fix these problems show just how damning running from a fundamental pillar of the show can be, as the multiple errors of the Legend of Korra reveal.

I've always said I found it bizarre that the lion turtle came out of no where like that. I agree, it and energybending all should ahve been foreshadowed better. But while TLA's presentation of it is not perfect, it's not as bad as it has been made. There are bits and strings of foreshadowing, as well as character development that delivers on what you are saying your approach would bring. I agree it could have been done better, I just disagree that it is as bad as you seem to make it out to be.

 

[Toa TAK]

Quit frowning.

Say something in German to cheer me up. =(

 

[Altairre]

It seems like ATLA's series finale has mixed feelings. I personally loved it. I thought it was a massive spectacle. Great visuals. Emotional pay off. It really brought the entire journey to a close.

My only gripe was how they handled Aang and Ozai. I actually liked the idea of Aang not compromising himself. But the way they went about him just happening to get what he needed, rubbed me the wrong way. So that was the only thing I didn't like. It's no where as bad as Korra getting all her powers back through Spirit Aang, and also getting the power of the Avatar State. That was pure non-sense.

Also, the way they handled Amon was atrocious. But I'm always kind of surprised when I hear people feel lukewarm on ATLA"s series finale. I just always thought it was this massive epic. The fighting. The visuals (I mean holy god, Zuko vs Azula). The emotional pay off (Zuko and Iroh). Even Aang vs Ozai was epic (even if the ending was a little cheap).

But whatever criticisms you have for ATLA's series finale, i still think it did a good job kind of like, ending that epic journey for all the characters. That it felt like they had a through line. That they had so much emotional depth and growth over the course of the series. And the bond they had with one another. And the bond the audience had for them. I think all of that came together in the finale. And that's something that I don't think could be taken from ATLA, whatever issues people have with the ending itself.

EDIT: The reason I hated ME3, is that I thought ME3's overall story was bad. It wasn't just the ending. And while the ending sucked, I think the bigger issue is that, it revealed the game to be a long con. That in the end, you really never had a choice with your character. That all the choices you had shaping your shephard, was kind of pointless. And I think that is really what makes ME3 a disaster IMO. Normally I agree with you. Ending don't ruin a series for me. But I do feel ME3 ruined any interest I had in the ME universe, because of just how it all came together. But we'll see.

Again, I liked the finale of TLA but I think that it wasted too much potential overall, much like the rest of the series. It played it relatively safe, which is fine if disappointing. Everything involving Zuko was great, the fight against Azula was impactful and one of the best in the series. It also completely overshadowed anything else that was going on because when it comes to Ozai and Aang I don't really care. The fight was pretty, that's true but it involves two characters that never managed to come into their own. I never got invested in either of them.

I generally think that Korra is, judging from the first season only, a way more interesting character than Aang ever was in TLA. Granted this could all go bad really fast in the second season but it's telling that I was more interested in the resolution of the first season than of the Aang - Ozai conflict. They did a poor job in the end but but at least I wasn't as indifferent to it as I was in TLA.

As for ME3: That's just the thing why I don't necessarily mind bad endings and why I didn't feel like it was a "long con". My choices did matter. The overarching plot, while written competently especially in ME1 (the Sovereign conversation comes to mind), is not why I like the series as much as I do. It is more a backdrop that porvides room and context for that which makes ME great, the character interaction.

The choices matter, because of what happens in the moment I make them, because of how the characters react and because of what it says about my Shepard in the context of this universe. I don't need the game to list me all the sweeping consequences my actions have like Fallout or Dragon Age do it. That always seemed clumsy to me. I actually like the idea of letting the player make all these choices, gather all these allies and in the end it is all for naught because it comes down to something completely different, something nobody could have prepared for. Because that's all you do. You prepare for something in the hope that what you do matters and that what you do works but it doesn't have to.

Now, the implementation of that was garbage in ME3. You can clearly see that it was rushed in a "oh shit how do we actually resolve this now" way, which is why there are inconsistencies and plot holes all over the place but that doesn't mean that the choices were meaningless. I can understand you perspective of course but I personally never saw it that way.

Edit: Oh and Toa TAK: Lass den Kopf nicht hängen .

 

[360pages]

Sure. But I think any writer worth their weight in salt, knows how to step back and also consider what has been written before (the continuity). There is no excuse for lazy writing. The only thing I will say, writers are under extreme pressure and time to get things written. But I just don't understand how you can have a team of writers, and some very basic things aren't put in check. Things that could be fixed, just by having a round table discussion.

I mean, just us in this thread alone, could spend 40 min reading a script, and pointing out the issues with certain things (like overall plot stuff not working with past plot). They really aren't capable of doing that?

And what gets me, there is plenty of shows with the same format and same deadlines, that are able to do this. So at a certain point it just feels like, they are running with things and not really doing the proper analysis of their own writing. You look at a show like Dexter, and it's mind blowing how lazy they got. Like very basic things (such as character behaviors and basic characteristics) and past themes no longer making sense. I have to imagine it was a situation where a bunch of writers that had big egos, were basically circljerking the other, and telling them how brilliant they are and how deep they are.

So when you get a situation where everyone is just praising the other, then shit like that happens. I doubt that was the case here. I assume the problems with ATLA is just, a time thing. A little bit of time limitations/pressure, and the writers just not being very good. I've always argued that Bryke are great idea men, but not so much good storytellers (like telling the middle part of a story. They write a good beginning and end -- well, their ends for Korra have been mostly shit. But you get my point).

Looking back at ATLA, it's kind of telling that Bryke would write the opening episodes, the mid season finale episodes, two part episodes, or the finale itself. So pretty much the episodes that had major main story plot. But all the other episodes (the bulk of ATLA) was other writers. So it's as if, Bryke can't actually write a fluid story, but can only come up with really great ideas. Which is fine. Their ideas are damn good. Whatever criticisms you have of this series, the world they've created is really something amazing.

I sometimes wonder ATLA would have been like, if it was 13 episodes and Bryke did the majority of the writing. I really think the 22 episode format, and Bryke being able to step back and take leadership role while a talented team of writers fleshed out the characters and the side plot, also gave them the time needed, to keep coming up with the bigger ideas (ie. the finale's, the two part episodes etc.)

Sorry for replying so late.

I can easily see that happening honestly, that is why on larger projects you have co-writers and editors to make sure things at least stay consistent from plot point to plot point.

 

[Chariot]

Quit frowning.

Say something in German to cheer me up. =(

"Ich will auch gar nicht, daß Sie Gleichgewicht schaffen, Frau Avatar! Das Erdreich soll frei werden, aber nicht durch Sie!"
- Kuvira

 

[JadedWriter]

Plus, he also had the idea behind him. So the perception all season was that he was fighting for something that had a purpose. Like, even if we didn't agree with Amon, it was an interesting premise.

Of course, you find out he was full of shit.

To those that say Amon had Daddy issues. How is that any worse then just a "raging psychopath" that just wants power. Both are pretty shallow. But at least Amon had something to shape who he was, and that was some kind of deeper motivation.

Kuvira just falls into the raging psychopath, without any like build up to it at all, or without us knowing anything about why she is that way. I'm not defending Amon's plot. It was handled very poorly. But I still think purely in terms of a concept, I don't see why him having Daddy issues is infinitely worse then what Kuvira is.

The thing with Amon is that he was a bad guy, with a point. Once they got to the episode where the council is turning off the power in non bender areas because of protesting and you see the Gustapo tactics going on you can see where his gripe is coming from.

 

[360pages]

The thing with Amon is that he was a bad guy, with a point. Once they got to the episode where the council is turning off the power in non bender areas because of protesting and you see the Gustapo tactics going on you can see where his gripe is coming from.

Yeah, Amon Legit had a point and he was write considering the shit they pulled with the non-bending district. (The fact they have a district at all shows how fucked the city was)

 

[JadedWriter]

Yeah, Amon Legit had a point and he was write considering the shit they pulled with the non-bending district. (The fact they have a district at all shows how fucked the city was)

Yeah really. It's like, "you non bending pigs, enjoy this ghetto. Don't like it? Fuck off! Protest? I'll turn off your power."

 

[Icyflamez96]

Yeah Amon knew what he was talking about. He didn't spit BS phrases like "This is about Equality" LOL

Spoiler

well it was bs in kuvira's context

 

[Trey]

The thing with Amon is that he was a bad guy, with a point. Once they got to the episode where the council is turning off the power in non bender areas because of protesting and you see the Gustapo tactics going on you can see where his gripe is coming from.

All the villains in Legend of Korra had a point. That's supposed to be the grand takeaway of Korra's growth across the season, but it was handled less than graciously.

 

[Toa TAK]

"Ich will auch gar nicht, daß Sie Gleichgewicht schaffen, Frau Avatar! Das Erdreich soll frei werden, aber nicht durch Sie!"
- Kuvira

So awesome! She should totally say that, but not in German? Nah, fuck it. IN GERMAN.

 

[JadedWriter]

All the villains in Legend of Korra had a point. That's supposed to be the grand takeaway of Korra's growth across the season, but it was handled less than graciously.

Good point. Amon's point of view seemed to work the best because it was actually worked into the story that season better...same can be said about Zaheer too with how the Earth Queen acted.

 

[Bit-Bit]

TAK is like in the 1% that likes the finale. Most think it's a piece of shit. Ultimately, it's up to you to make up your own mind. If you love it, or even love Book 2, then that's all that really matters. Just go in with an open mind, and make up your own mind on things. Doesn't really matter what the fan base thinks.

It only matters if we are having a discussion.

I highly enjoyed the finale and know many others IRL that also love the finale. It's very entertaining. The gripes most people have with it are plot stuff, the action is fun and can be enjoyed once you shut off your analytical thinking cap.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Amon was in the zone.

A mon

was

wAs on

 

[JadedWriter]

So awesome! She should totally say that, but not in German? Nah, fuck it. IN GERMAN.

 

[Icyflamez96]

After the finale airs i'm changing my avatar back to Ratchet and ditching this Amon gimmick.

 

[m_shortpants]

After the finale airs i'm changing my avatar back to Ratchet and ditching this Amon gimmick.

...

 

[Kinvara]

Kuvira discussion:

If I was an Earth Kingdom citizen, I'd be seriously pissed that Republic City and their allies were trying to re-establish the monarchy in MY country. Prince Wu on the throne would only benefit Republic City's interests since he would merely be their puppet. That's some shady bs right there.

Even though Kuvira is literally mecha-hitler, she's still way more competent than the Earth monarchy ever was and isn't just some figurehead to be manipulated by a foreign power.

I'll be super unhappy if at the end of Book 4, the Earth Kingdom is just back to square one. Wu has learned some things but that doesn't mean he should be granted absolute authority. As we know that power corrupted Kuvira even if we didn't get to see that process.

There's been some foreshadowing in regards to finding "balance" so I would hope that Korra stands up to Raiko and insists that the citizens of the Earth Kingdom choose for themselves how they should be governed.

 

[JadedWriter]

Kuvira discussion:

If I was an Earth Kingdom citizen, I'd be seriously pissed that Republic City and their allies were trying to re-establish the monarchy in MY country. Prince Wu on the throne would only benefit Republic City's interests since he would merely be their puppet. That's some shady bs right there.

Even though Kuvira is literally mecha-hitler, she's still way more competent than the Earth monarchy ever was and isn't just some figurehead to be manipulated by a foreign power.

I'll be super unhappy if at the end of Book 4, the Earth Kingdom is just back to square one. Wu has learned some things but that doesn't mean he should be granted absolute authority. As we know that power corrupted Kuvira even if we didn't get to see that process.

There's been some foreshadowing in regards to finding "balance" so I would hope that Korra stands up to Raiko and insists that the citizens of the Earth Kingdom choose for themselves how they should be governed.

I'd rather pick Kuvirastein/Kuvira Zabi over Wu.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

#whoWudyouchoose

 

[Hamlet]

More information about the release time. Earliest release time so far.

Thursday night at midnight EST / 9pm PST #LegendOfKorra #Book4

Source

 

[Icyflamez96]

...

My words will still be held in truth either way.

Spoiler

wow now I feel like endgame amon

 

[Veelk]

This is where it breaks down. If you use the term Eggs Benedict to refer to Irish Eggs Benedict, then you will be signifying the wrong concept to other people. Your use of language will fail to express the actual information and meaning that you intended to get across. The cook will prepare the wrong meal for you because your use of language when ordering was not compatible. How could this not be a problem?

Now if you are not using the term Eggs Benedict to refer to Irish Eggs Benedict because you know that everyone else will make this mistake, then all you are doing is reinforcing the existing use of language by adhering to the accepted nomenclature. If you never actually use the term Eggs Benedict to refer to Irish Eggs Benedict, then as an instrument of language you're not actually doing anything differently; language has to be expressed externally.

You might protest that, yes, you do believe that's what the word means, you just don't use it because no one would understand what you're saying. But that's the whole point of language in the first place, we communicate under a shared system of signified meanings based on communal understanding, not personal. You can personally believe that Eggs Benedict means steak, but as part of language, that's not what Eggs Benedict means, and if you don't respond to language using this belief, then linguistically you don't really believe it either.

One can think that Irish Eggs Benedict is the best kind and that it should be the default serving or understanding of Eggs Benedict, but this is less about language and more about opinions. It is not the same thing as what Eggs Benedict actually means in our language and culture; what Eggs Benedict expresses and what is understood by its use.

Again, when you put the argument like this, I really think we are just at a semantic difference then. We are acknowledging the same kind of process and acknowledging that it is okay to have personalized definitive versions of something, but what you want to label as preferred, I want to label as canon despite that not being the traditionally understood definition. My objection to canon does not lie in it's mere description as the version of something everyone is familiar with, but it's presumed legitimacy over other people's ideas. If you are just talking about the linguistic convienence of it, then yeah, I don't really care about calling it canon and calling what I have headcanon would be okay as long as people recognized that that does not grant it any special authority. But that's not what happens.

The term canon holds a kind of legitimacy to it in ordinary discourse over fan modulated content, as this discussion has proven. My opinion is that individuals should try to hold to the best possible version of something and have that be considered the most legitimate variation, regardless of it's the source material or not. Considering something to be the definitive version of something goes beyond just opinion, as it is then used as the standard by which other things are measured. This is a distinctly different function from merely liking something the best. But all the same, you don't object that I can do these things, you just don't want me to call that canon.

If you want to talk linguistics, this is the crux of the problem. How do I promote my view? You seem to reject that I can just add clarification within the contents of what an I am saying, so that means I need a specific word to signify that I have a personal version of a thing that I consider to hold a legitimacy over the source product that goes beyond mere preference. If I were merely to call my view fanfiction or soemthing similar in common discourse, my ideas of what is legitimate would not get communicated efficiently. I'd be okay with calling it something else, but I simply do not have word for it that eliminates canon's presumed legitimacy. The next efficient method is to modify an existing word whose traditional usage has become outdated. So instead I am opting to call it canon.

I feel I've acknowledged that this isn't a traditional use of the term, but I don't see the issue with that. Terms change, and they change when people use them in different than traditional ways. You are right that it recreates some problems for the efficiency of language, but I see this as worth it in favor of promoting what I see as the superior model of judging what content is legitimate, which has been my true aim of this debate this entire time. Under this model, if I say Legend of Korra, people will know what I am talking about, but also consider the possibility that their version of LoK may not be the same as mine. Which, in my experience, happens anyway due to different perspectives and memory lapses and many other variables that could lead to someone viewing the same exact thing, yet seeing something completely different. Again, this is not merely having an opinion of it, but something like a person falling asleep for a minute while watching and missing a critical scene, which leads to a different view of what happened in the story.


Btw, I can tell you don't want to bother other posters with this debate anymore, but if you want to continue this conversation, please PM me. I can't promise to respond today, but this is a really good fascination I like to continue if you're up for it.

 

[Sou Da]

For the record I think ATLA's ending is godawful and I completely disagree with the notion that stripping Ozai of his bending gets rid of the hold he has on the Fire Nation.

Spoiler

I don't think it ruins the show at all but it's still bad.

EDIT: Holy shit is Veelk still determined to be wrong about the "retcons"?

 

[Xpike]

Please finale release already because this conversation is going nowhere.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Please finale release already because this conversation is going nowhere.

They said they would release it at midnight EST, so it should be up tomorrow. So in like 31 or so hours.

 

[Hamlet]

Please finale release already because this conversation is going nowhere.

Not too long till it's up.
Though it wouldn't be a season of Korra without at least one episode leaking. It's tradition at this point.

 

[Toa TAK]

More information about the release time. Earliest release time so far.


Source

YESSSSS! BEST COAST!

 

[crisdecuba]

For the record I think ATLA's ending is godawful and I completely disagree with the notion that stripping Ozai of his bending gets rid of the hold he has on the Fire Nation.

Spoiler

I don't think it ruins the show at all but it's still bad.

Oh really? What part did you dislike? The entire "do I kill the fire lord" part or just that the solution was the removal of his bending? Also, how would you have ended it?

 

[JadedWriter]

For the record I think ATLA's ending is godawful and I completely disagree with the notion that stripping Ozai of his bending gets rid of the hold he has on the Fire Nation.

Spoiler

I don't think it ruins the show at all but it's still bad.

EDIT: Holy shit is Veelk still determined to be wrong about the "retcons"?

You either die the hero or live long enough to become veelk.

 

[Veelk]

Azula, you like photo shopping things. Can you make me a Veelk Signal?

 

[360pages]

I do dislike the constant use of non-violence in some series. Which is one thing that the Korra series does right. Sometimes people are far too dangerous to let live. I'm jaded from all the series I've watched, but sometimes evil bastards need to die

 

[CDiggity]

If Korra ends up winning by punching Koovy into submission, or something that amounts to that, that would be the most disappointing since it proves Korra didn't develop at all even though this season was designed as such.

 

[Astral Dog]

The battle went on for the right amount of time, and made sense. Korra's battle with Unalaq went on too long. This is insane on so many levels, I can't comprehend. Again I repeat:

Korra is super mode. Reks Unalaq. Then Unalaq knocks her down. Then beats her into oblivion where there is no hope. BUT WAIT. Korra rises up, Reks Unalaq. Is about to win. Then Unalaq knocks her down. Then beats her into oblivion where there is no hope.

That legit was the entire Book 2 finale. And then the writers kept stacking on shit just to make Korra suffer and feel more and more tragic. And they kept throwing more and more stuff on to it, to almost comical levels of suffering. And then they wrote themselves into a corner with all the absurd suffering they stacked on, and needed Jinora to undo all the shit they did.

I just don't understand how you can say Ozai vs Aang was too long, but say Korra vs Unalq was just right. It was a really terrible fight. At least the Ozai and Aang fight made sense. The choreography for one, and visuals were much better too.

I liked the part were Unalaq takes Raava from Korra and destroys her, even if it didnt make much sense.

The first half of the battle was not that bad, and the music is perfect for the scene.

 

[JadedWriter]

If Korra ends up winning by punching Koovy into submission, or something that amounts to that, that would be the most disappointing since it proves Korra didn't develop at all even though this season was designed as such.

That's why I'm hoping she doesn't just pummel kuvira into oblivion. It would make this whole redemption arc they've been cramming down out throats utter bullshit.

 

[Sou Da]

Oh really? What part did you dislike? The entire "do I kill the fire lord" part or just that the solution was the removal of his bending? Also, how would you have ended it?

More or less the entire "do I kill the firelord" bit. I didn't like that this wasn't something he thought about at all until right before he faced him and that everyone told him the right thing (That it wasn't necessarily the morally pure action but it was still the only thing that would work) and then the fucking Turtle comes out of nowhere and just hands him the "solution". That in conjunction with Aang getting everything he ever wanted at the end (Katara deciding to be his girlfriend at the end was a bit corny and unbelievable given their age differences imo) soured me on it.

 

[Hamlet]

If Korra ends up winning by punching Koovy into submission, or something that amounts to that, that would be the most disappointing since it proves Korra didn't develop at all even though this season was designed as such.

She'll attempt to give Kuvira the hug of friendship and then accidentally hug her to death.

 

[Joeytj]

Looks like he's seen the finale:

I want to post all the things about the thing I just thinged but I will say nothing.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

*snip*

Well semantics is the study of meaning and signifiers so of course we're having a semantic argument

To the point though, I don't have a good answer for you regarding how you could express your position without using suggested language that inherently cuts against it purpose. From a political/social perspective, I can see the strategic argument behind co-opting the word canon if the underlying goal is not merely the expression of information but the upending of established paradigms regarding the treatment of stories in relation to their original creators or IP owners. I just disagree regarding that premise/goal and the efficacy of changing the meaning of canon versus creating an entirely new word.

 

[Kasumin]

I didn't even beat it and can't even argue with this because I kind of like it, but hate it at the same time because the narrative just doesn't pull you in that well. Ludger is boring, but surrounded by a pretty likable cast. There just wasn't much in it that kept me wanting to play, I'll pick it up again yes, but I couldn't marathon it like I did the first one.

I haven't beaten it either, actually. I got pretty far in then just got fed up with where the plot was going. I intend to beat it next year after I get back from winter break, but who knows.

What bugs me about Ludger is that I can see the potential for an interesting character, but they totally waste it. The game didn't really pull me in, either, and I say that as someone who's played most games in the Tales series and has enjoyed all of them enough to finish them. Even Destiny on the PS1 that aged really badly. And two games that were entirely in Japanese.

 

[360pages]

Veelk why not just write your own series, not Fanficiton, but a legit series that you created. Not saying that to be smart, since you have enough ideas, and when a series I watch I find messed with the idea or opportunity I like to write something myself.

 

[Hamlet]

Looks like he's seen the finale:

Hmm not much to grasp from that ha.
Also someone on Reddit watched the finale early. She works at Viacom.

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I'm fortunate enough to be in a position (working at Viacom) where I can watch the episodes early, and I just finished the final two. Let me just say, everyone involved went all out.
The fights are crazy and epic.
There's romance.
There's sadness.
There's humor.
So many FEELZ
There's everything you'd want in an Avatar, or any television, episode or finale.
I'm still kind of reeling from the awesomeness. So while it's not like anyone needed to look forward to the episode even more, I just wanted to let all you fine people know that there's no need to worry about anything. These episodes are near close to perfect, and we're lucky to be fans of this amazing show. It's been a great ride.

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"All I will say is that romance figures prominently in both episodes"

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Time for Makorra to happen ha.

 

[Veelk]

Veelk why not just write your own series, not Fanficiton, but a legit series that you created. Not saying that to be smart, since you have enough ideas, and when a series I watch I find messed with the idea or opportunity I like to write something myself.

Well, as I said, I'm a writer. As of yet, I haven't written any fanfiction, though I was throwing around the idea of basically writing a Korra reboot that 'fixed' everything I saw wrong, but I ultimately decided against it. I was planning on writing a Naruto reboot until I realized the metric fuckton of an undertaking that would be. I'm doing my own fiction, but it isn't anywhere near worth reading yet. If there is one thing I will acknowledge is that creating content and evaluating it are two entirely different skills. I feel I am pretty damn good at the latter. The former could use work. But combine the two, and it is basically a long session where you beat yourself up, before telling yourself to get back at it and do better. Totally breaks your ego. But it's the only way to get better, I guess.

Well semantics is the study of meaning and signifiers so of course we're having a semantic argument

To the point though, I don't have a good answer for you regarding how you could express your position without using suggested language that inherently cuts against it purpose. From a political/social perspective, I can see the strategic argument behind co-opting the word canon if the underlying goal is not merely the expression of information but the upending of established paradigms regarding the treatment of stories in relation to their original creators or IP owners. I just disagree regarding that premise/goal and the efficacy of changing the meaning of canon versus creating an entirely new word.

That's as good as an end to the debate as any. I'm just glad the points we both made got through in this otherwise huge and interesting discussion we've had. Thanks for the replies.

 

[SoulUnison]

If Korra ends up winning by punching Koovy into submission, or something that amounts to that, that would be the most disappointing since it proves Korra didn't develop at all even though this season was designed as such.

I dunno. I think it would be a cool subversion if, after all her growth learning to solve problems diplomatically, she was faced with an enemy that *required* a decisive, mortal blow.

Like, what if Kuvira just *won't stop coming at her?* Or, what if Korra takes away her bending but it does nothing to stop her from having the devotion of her army to her ideals?