Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance |OT| A Feast of Crows

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Gentlemen, after Korra, get yourself to Young Justice.

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The good show where the only disappointment is that it never got it's third season and in contrast to Korra should've run longer.
Quoting for support.
Thank god Season 4 was already in post production when 3 was airing. And they axed it off tv. Imagine if Korra ended on that S3 cliffhanger
A somber ending isn't always bad.
 
I'm having a hard time trying to explain my position to people who think I'm mad because they're lesbians. I don't care, I just don't like how and where they went about it because it brought down the rest of the ending by being generally unimportant to the resolution but they went with it for the big parting sentiment anyway.
 
You know I do see her point. The tomboy and girly girl lesbian pairing or how a strong woman is very obviously gay stereotype. I'm not sure what you could say about that. I personally think that part of Korra's initial appeal too was that she was tom boyish but that did'nt make her any less girly either. She did'nt seem to mind wearing dress or boys or any of the assumptions/stereotypes that people make about more I guess masculine women.
Korra does have other badass straight woman with the Beifongs. And at least one of them is happily married.
 
Yeah sure. The finale itself was mediocre and pretty poor. But the implications of a gay romance for a main character on a kids show, was certainly ground breaking. It should be applauded. I just hope Bryke were genuine with this, and weren't just doing it for shipper fuel.

But that's not something we could ever know. I'm going to say it was genuine, because the slow build up of their friendship and becoming super close, feels to me like, it was their way of telling their romance, but doing so in a way that they could get around the censors and network push back.

If they don't give an answer in some post finale interviews, there's a good chance we'll find out with those Book 4 blu-ray commentaries as they're usually pretty blunt on them about the choices and decisions they made on the show. I'm curious to hear how Nick reacted it to the ending for the show.
 
Book 2 finale leads into Escape from the Spirit World.

I had to look that up.

"A canonical online game..."Well great, I guess. Fucking fantastic. I hate shit like that. I mean, I support extended universe stuff, but doing it in the middle of a series is dumb.

I can't reconcile that, but whatever. I guess you win this argument and apparently I'm full of shit.
 
I still think most people that didn't like it, don't like it because Korra and Asami were established early on as straight. And while sexual preference can be discovered at a later time (or people can be bisexual), the fact that they couldn't have a plot to establish that change in sexual preference makes it feel forced.

It wouldn't have been as clunky if Korra or Asami had never had a romance at all. Because by default, we can't assume to know a characters sexual preference. It's pretty much up in the air until it's established.

I think Hollywood also has a problem with having same gender people being close friends. Especially female characters. And when Hollywood does have "friendship", they usually make it a comedy or something ridiculous. They don't know how to show the deep bonds between people as friends.

So I'm assuming some think that this ending was basically another case of that.

I'm kind of baffled by the idea that, all strong female characters are gay or bi though. Where are these characters? It's pretty rare to have gay romance in TV shows, let alone kids shows. SO....yeah.

I still think though, every romance in this show just kind of happened. There was no build up. So the fact that they slowly built a relationship between Korra and Asami that was close, that to me is more realistic to anything that was on the show. Stepping back and looking at it in a larger context, I actually think it's the best romance the show had. Do I wish they could have done more? Sure.

But I do get why some people think it came out of left field, or doesn't make sense.

Why do you think that them having a romance with a man automatically establishes them as heterosexual and nothing else?
 
Korra does have other badass straight woman with the Beifongs. And at least one of them is happily married.

Yeah but I think she specifically means the tom boyish archetype which Korra fell under. She's just tired of that kind of girl always being shown as gay or bi in media, when so many females are tom boys who are straight. Like, Hollywood can't tell gay stories other then using that archetype.

Tom boys generally get treated as gay by people IRL, so it must be frustrating to have that reinforced over and over in media. So I see her point, actually.
 
Korra and Asami felt so natural to me. I think it was around season 3 that it felt like something was developing between the two and it went on from there. I remember another episode (I think it was the season 3 finale) where Korra and and Asami were talking alone and I thought "Oh shit, is this gonna happen?" but then Tenzin came in and Asami left. It's funny how it was the reverse this time. I like how there was no blushing and that nothing was explicitly said. They just knew. Most of all I'm just happy Korra and Mako didn't get together again. I was shitting bricks when they spoke at the party.
 
Remember Kai? hahaha.

I wonder if you took all of this scenes and totaled up the time if it would come to out the length of one episode. An episode that could have been used for Red Lotus backstory....

Oh btw, the author of that article is on The Republic City Dispatch podcast, where they review each episode.
 
Korra does have other badass straight woman with the Beifongs. And at least one of them is happily married.

I don't disagree. But I was just looking at main and young characters that are probably the ones appealing to young people. I was thinking about Korra might have appealed to young women and think that was one aspect. I know I liked that about her along with her being a person of color as a main character. It was actually quite relate able and so is the tomboyish/ but girly aspect since it is a struggle that some more tomboysh girls deal with. Of course all of it could've been solved if it hadn't been out of the blue.
 
Because the majority of the population is not bi-sexual. Generally speaking, most people have a single sexual preference. So when you have a story showing two separate characters having a sexual preference, I think most people are going to assume that that is their sexual preference is.

It is totally possible for someone to be bi. Or for someone to not know their sexual preference until later on. That is 100% true. But again in story, we can only go off what we are shown. So for many, seeing romance plots shown early on for them, kind of made it seem like that was their preference.

And because Bryke couldn't have a plot that showed them changing preference or growing their relationship into romance, it might come off as forced for some.

Whereas if you don't show any romance, by default we don't know what a characters preference is. But technically speaking you are 100% right. You can't assume that someone is not Bi, just because they had a straight romance in a story. It's fiction. A character can really be anything.

I'm just saying, I understand why people would think it feels forced.

Also let's be clear, I don't think this just applies for women dating a man. I see it the same as a man dating a women, and then having a relationship with a man. This has nothing to do with females (at least for me). At least for me, I'm purely saying this from a story perspective, and how we perceive sexual preference.
I can't agree with you. It was one of the few things that felt very natural to me in this series. Their relationship clearly developed over time, even if it was very subtle. It was actually nice that they didn't pushed our noses onto it.
 
Remember Kai? hahaha.

I wonder if you took all of this scenes and totaled up the time if it would come to out the length of one episode. An episode that could have been used for Red Lotus backstory....

Oh btw, the author of that article is on The Republic City Dispatch podcast, where they review each episode.

I don't say this kind of thing often, but I'm so glad they just completely phased out Kai, I hated him.
 
Oh the guy who leaked the stealth Korrasami took down his active tumblr because of reasons:
I have never regretted something as much as I regret that stupid post I made in the heat of the moment last night. I realize people will trash talk the show, the creators or myself as much as they like - that’s just the nature of things. But now people are using my stupid comment as fuel for their trash talk and the fact that I deleted the post later as some sort of proof of some heinous thing. I delete my asks all the time though. And yes this one especially because I regretted it almost immediately and no one likes to leave their fuck ups for all to see. Bottom line is this, I’ve once more learned the hard way that I really need a much more low profile online and thus I’m gonna probably close this tumblr and hope I haven’t ruined my career by blurting out personal shit online. ~From a reddit post
Can't seem to verify this via google search, but if this was posted on his AMA account then it's probably gone.
His art one is still up:
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Ah that sucks to hear. Dude was always really nice at answering fans questions about the show.
 
Yeah I also disagree with Azula on that. Just in comparison to the rest of the romance in the series, this feels way less bad. Everything else was just stupid love at first sight BS that was obnoxious.

The issue here is that, we were given plot that established sexual preference. Then we weren't given plot for sexual preference that changed from the already established preference.

And I get this point, and sort of agree, but this still felt way less bad than the rest of the Romance except Varrick and Zhu Li. Although I don't think it's 100% necassary that they have to focus on a plot that shows her change in orientation. I mean we got the blush. That was a hint imo
 
Yeah I also disagree with Azula on that. Just in comparison to the rest of the romance in the series, this feels way less bad. Everything else was just stupid love at first sight BS that was obnoxious.



And I get this point, and sort of agree, but this still felt way less bad than the rest of the Romance except Varrick and Zhu Li

You don't disagree with me.

Re-read my posts. I agree with you guys. I'm just trying to give an understanding why some feel it's forced. I'm approaching this from a writing perspective. I'm on your guys side. I think it was great. I mean after thinking about it, and putting some distance from it, I think it was really good.
 
Did Korra become a more likeable Avatar to people? I haven't watched it since the first season but she seemed to be subjected to some really unfair criticisms.
 
You don't disagree with me.

Re-read my posts. I agree with you guys. I'm just trying to give an understanding why some feel it's forced. I'm approaching this from a writing perspective. I'm on your guys side. I think it was great. I mean after thinking about it, and putting some distance from it, I think it was really good.

If my other edit didn't cover the part where I disagree with you then I'll go look over your posts again lol
 
Ugh. Fuck Nick for sweeping the show under the rug.

Season could've used another episode or 10 more minutes altogether. So many characters didn't get to show up or speak a line (Tenzin siblings, Jinora siblings, etc.). It was good for a season closer but not necessarily a series closer. So sad it's over now. Even sadder that the whole animated Avatar world is now in deep hibernation mode.

I don't know what to think or interpret about Korra and Asami. On one hand, I love the unexpected (or very much expected) twist especially for a Nick show, and they did away their love triangle for Mako and cut the middle man out.

On the other hand, I still like Korra+Mako and appreciate that Korra and Asami could still come so far in their friendship that they go all Thelma and Louise in the end not as a romantic couple, but as a strong female bond. But I get the need to be open to interpretation as much as possible in either scenario for a show that had answered to Nick.
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My little nephews watch some superhero shows that look similar (I think) in art style to that, but the fight scenes look GARBAGE. Just like REALLY stupid. I'm not sure exactly what show it is they watch, but I was so turned off to Young Justice when I looked up pictures of it because of whatever show they were watching that had a similar look lol. Now I see the animation in that particular show isn't half bad so maybe I'll try it out
 
If my other edit didn't cover the part where I disagree with you then I'll go look over your posts again lol

My entire point to that post, was just to say I understand why people think it was forced. I think from a writing level, it can be a bit jarring to have characters be shown one sexual preference, then have another preference without there being a specific plot showing that. Because Asami and Korras plot had to be done carefully (basically they couldn't have a romance plot in the open), it probably didn't occur to people that that is what was happening. Therefore, their only perception was that Asami and Korra both had plot in Book 1 establishing a specific preference. And then saw a romance with a different preference happen out of no where.

But that said, you guys make a good point that even then, you can't just assume someone isn't Bi, or that they couldn't discover their preference later.
 
What was Mako and Korra's romance? It had no depth. It just happened. What as Bolin's romance? It just happened, no depth.

The only romance that was really good was Varrick and Zhu Li. Because they were established as having a deep bond. And gradually they showed how she had feelings for Varrick. So them getting together had pay off and felt great.

Korra and Asami had a plot developed where they became super close friends. That over a 6 year period, they started to confide in one another, and became very close.

That has more depth then anything else that was done on the show. Go back and watch Book 1 and cringe hard at that Mako x Korra romance.

I still don't understand how they bungled the romance in this show so hard. I wasn't a fan of Aang and Katara, but it was handled surprisingly well. Korra felt like someone had been spending time on Tumblr and just liked throwing things together. The whole show would've been better without it imo.It took up way too much of Bolin and Mako's characters and plot relevance too. I will say that as bad as I think Korra/Asami was, Makkorra is much much worse.
 
People who loved Korra should absolutely watch Spectacular Spider-Man and Young Justice. Greg Weisman's babies. Hell, even go back and watch Gargoyles.
 
My little nephews watch some superhero shows that look similar (I think) in art style to that, but the fight scenes look GARBAGE. Just like REALLY stupid. I'm not sure exactly what show it is they watch, but I was so turned off to Young Justice when I looked up pictures of it because of whatever show they were watching that had a similar look lol. Now I see the animation in that particular show isn't half bad so maybe I'll try it out

By any chance was it Avengers Assemble they were watching? Cause I hear that has really poor animation for an action show.
 
Because the majority of the population is not bi-sexual. Generally speaking, most people have a single sexual preference. So when you have a story showing two separate characters having a sexual preference, I think most people are going to assume that that is their sexual preference is.

It is totally possible for someone to be bi. Or for someone to not know their sexual preference until later on. That is 100% true. But again in story, we can only go off what we are shown. So for many, seeing romance plots shown early on for them, kind of made it seem like that was their preference.

And because Bryke couldn't have a plot that showed them changing preference or growing their relationship into romance, it might come off as forced for some.

Whereas if you don't show any romance, by default we don't know what a characters preference is. But technically speaking you are 100% right. You can't assume that someone is not Bi, just because they had a straight romance in a story. It's fiction. A character can really be anything.

I'm just saying, I understand why people would think it feels forced.

Heteronormativity aka assuming people are straight until proven otherwise is problematic. It's the reason why people have to "come out" in the first place.

Just because heterosexuality is what is most common doesn't mean that you should always assume someone is straight. There are about as many redheads as there are LGBT people.

The discrimination against bisexual people is horrible. People who choose to identify as such get mistreated by LGBT community and by homophobes alike. A lot of people choose to identify as either straight or gay because they don't want to face that stigma.

That being said, sexuality is fluid and doesn't adhere to strict categories.

Korra and Asami's "preference" didn't change.
 
My entire point to that post, was just to say I understand why people think it was forced. I think from a writing level, it can be a bit jarring to have characters be shown one sexual preference, then have another preference without there being a specific plot showing that. Because Asami and Korras plot had to be done carefully (basically they couldn't have a romance plot in the open), it probably didn't occur to people that that is what was happening. Therefore, their only perception was that Asami and Korra both had plot in Book 1 establishing a specific preference. And then saw a romance with a different preference happen out of no where.

But that said, you guys make a good point that even then, you can't just assume someone isn't Bi, or that they couldn't discover their preference later.

Ok you caught me not reading thoroughly if that's what you meant lol I see what you're saying.

Wasn't an episode supposed to be six minutes longer? What happened to that?

UGH Wu's song could have been 6 minutes LONGER!
 
Man I still don't know what to think about this. Even though I enjoyed it, I still feel unsatisfied. I wanted to be so hype for it like I was at the end of Book 3 and the Book 4 trailer. But it just couldn't happen :(
 
My entire point to that post, was just to say I understand why people think it was forced. I think from a writing level, it can be a bit jarring to have characters be shown one sexual preference, then have another preference without there being a specific plot showing that. Because Asami and Korras plot had to be done carefully (basically they couldn't have a romance plot in the open), it probably didn't occur to people that that is what was happening. Therefore, their only perception was that Asami and Korra both had plot in Book 1 establishing a specific preference. And then saw a romance with a different preference happen out of no where.

But that said, you guys make a good point that even then, you can't just assume someone isn't Bi, or that they couldn't discover their preference later.

Is there any evidence for this assertion?
 
Perhaps somewhat ironically, my 14-year-old tomboy daughter disliked the ending because she's tired of every strong female character in recent fiction ending up gay or bi.

I'm not really sure what to say, in all honesty.
She may not be the lead, or even a major character really, but Zhu Li turned out to be a pretty kickass character.
 
Is there any evidence for this assertion?

What assertion?

OH I saw your bold.

We are 100% assuming this. Networks in the past have pushed back hard against gay romances in kids show. You are right though, I have no idea. But my assumption is that, because they didn't have an up and front center romance plot, they used the close friends plot instead to tell the same story.

Maybe we are wrong?
 
By any chance was it Avengers Assemble they were watching? Cause I hear that has really poor animation for an action show.

Maybe. From a clip I just watched it seemed on the same quality... Well actually Idk. I feel like I saw Wonder Woman at one point. I just really don't know. If there are no other culprits on TV right now then yeah it was probably that.
 
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