Overpowered in relation to the other weapons, of course. Aside from long distances now, an SMG or AR will destroy anything at close, to close/mid, to mid, possibly greater. Some kills I've gotten with the AR that should never have been possible. AR was already viable at the range it was meant to be, which was close range. Anything further, and that's why you pick up one of the many scoped or distant rifles, or used pistol.
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Overpowered in relation to the other weapons, of course. Aside from long distances now, an SMG or AR will destroy anything at close, to close/mid, to mid, possibly greater. Some kills I've gotten with the AR that should never have been possible. AR was already viable at the range it was meant to be, which was close range. Anything further, and that's why you pick up one of the many scoped or distant rifles, or used pistol.
Leyasu
Banned
They've been trying to make the AR more effective at mid-range since Halo 3 with pulse fire and increased damage, but folks starting off with an AR were still practically defenseless in more open maps against folks with BRs and DMRs.
This is the first time they seem to have actually succeeded in giving folks with AR starts a fighting chance.
[EDIT] - That said, I believe somebody here mentioned that giving the AR more significant kickback would serve to be a nice trade-off, and I agree.
This is the first time they seem to have actually succeeded in giving folks with AR starts a fighting chance.
[EDIT] - That said, I believe somebody here mentioned that giving the AR more significant kickback would serve to be a nice trade-off, and I agree.
That's why pistol should be an utility weapon. It should be worse than BR/Carbine/DMR, but it should be useful at all ranges.
Any EU gaffers want to play tonight? I won't be using mic (my english is horrible) but add me if you want. GT: tootsi666
I'm tired of AFKers/quitters.
Edit. I'm Onyx I if it matters
dragonelite
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It would make the core competitive crowd happy.
But, they're not necessarily asking for a "reskinned" Halo 2/3. I think a lot of people have been a bit too presumptuous about that when contesting complaints about Halo 4 & 5's changes.
RSB
Banned
What? I don't care who's the dominant FPS. Why do you ask me that? And who said anything about a reskinned Halo 2?
Seriously, the homegenization of the FPS genre on consoles is horrible.
If after Reach and Halo 4, you still think a CoD style Halo will challenge CoD's dominance, you'd be mistaken as well. This isn't about challenging Call of Duty dominance, but making sure your decades long fanbase is happy. They're the ones who will play beyond the initial month once the reviewers are done, and the casual players move onto the next flavor of the month.
And, we'll never know. We were going to get a newer Halo 2 style game in H2A, instead the launch was shit, and only 6 maps and the game has become dead in the water for the most part. Compare base gameplay of Halo CE, 2 and Halo 3 and then compare base gameplay of Halo Reach, Halo 4 and Halo 5.
I've yet to find a compelling reason why, outside of a tightened spread on autos.
Zooming takes longer than before (feels sluggish), obstructs the screen (there are better ways to balance scoped weapons), it's change for the sake of change (doesn't add anything, is not Halo)
Grenades not powerful enough? I was just thinking how they're too powerful haha. I honestly think you should just spawn with one.
Eh, only worrisome issue with ADS at this point is the delay for quick scopes. That can be adjusted though without omitting their take on ADS entirely.
Just going by what limited footage I've seen, but while Halo 5's M6H Pistol doesn't seem "weak" by any means, it doesn't seem to be as effective beyond mid-range because of the way they've changed it's scope.
I agree to an extent. I have a tendency to evaluate the AR and Pistol as a starting pair that supplement each other for almost all purposes; finding that balance between them is more favorable to me than making a single swiss army knife-esque weapon.
Just going by what limited footage I've seen, but while Halo 5's M6H Pistol doesn't seem "weak" by any means, it doesn't seem to be as effective beyond mid-range because of the way they've changed it's scope.
i'm amazed more people dont have an issue with thrusters, especially since everyone likes to rail on sprint for its encouragment of running from engagements. thruster pack is definitely a bigger issue here IMO, leading to many escapes and cat and mouse gameplay. with the nerfs to sprint in halo 5, i'd say thrusters are more damaging to the engagements than sprint is. while i don't want them to go away, it would be nice to see a fairly dramatic increase in cool down.
too much eslim
Member
with the way AR and SMG works now they actually have a shot.
too much eslim
Member
Thrusters are cool. Ground pound needs to go away.
too much eslim
Member
Is the beta over?
Crouch button while jumping from a sufficient height.
Ground Pound seems so inconsequential though. I've seen it land successfully, but it's so few 'n far between.
That doesn't resolve the issue of maintaining the AR as a mere placeholder for a BR or DMR though. Not everybody desires BR starts, that should always be optional.
Ground pound is fine
..its nearly useless...have tried to get it to connect and I have died a lot and only killed one person with it
they are cool, but i find them damaging to engagements and i'm honestly shocked the "sprint is the devil" crowd hasn't figured this out.
Obstructing the view, takes a while to zoom. It's just terrible.
too much eslim
Member
The splash damage is crazy. make it so that only a direct hits from a far distance happens and i'll be fine.
Gnome Scat
Member
It obstructs your FOV and tightens the spread of Automatic weapons.
Yeah, it seems a lot better balanced than previous games. And seeing how it is too late to go back, better to have it this way than the old way.
Awesome, I hate how they treated it as a secondary weapon in 4.
That's probably because ADS is tightening their spread.
This is the best thing about it. I'm actually a worse player this way, but when I land headshots, it feels great.
Because thrusters could be tuned at the very least. Have something taken away, etc. Sprint has had 3 iterations and still blows.
JigglesBunny
Banned
No! The Battle Rifle isn't the only damn gun in the Halo universe, I'm actually tired of using it for years and years. It's on the map as a frequently available pickup, deal with it.
There are more weapons than the BR, make friends with them.
/endrant
too much eslim
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thrusters only help if you are around the corner no different than walking away or hiding. In an open space it is hard to get away.
True. The BR and DMR both felt great, but redundant. If they made the scope obstructive with this kind of intent, then I'm all behind it.
RSB
Banned
Yep, pretty much. The classic scope is just so much better and elegant.
Halo was the last FPS on consoles that still used the classic scope instead of that ADS filth (such a shitty muchanic) But I guess 343 thought Halo had to be more like every other shooter... Yay, homogenization. :sadface:
Yeah, that's the scary part. If just by watching streams I'm already disliking so many things, I don't even wanna think how bad will it be when I actually play it.
VisceralBowl
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ebullientprism
Member
Zoom time delay can be fixed. Screen obstruction is a good nerf to the DmR at mid range. Br has a very clean scope. This ADS is fine by me.
ok, and i agree (didnt ask for their removal btw).
i also feel that sprint is pretty good now with the lack of shield recharge. i would like them to take it further though as if you sprint when you shields start to recharge they'll continue to recharge. i'd like to see them pause the recharge at the very least (ideally the shields would stay where they are at when you sprint, then once you stop sprinting the timer before recharging the rest of the way is reset.
another issue with sprint in its current iteration is that its unlimited. i cant see this not being an issue in big team as it will further discourage vehicle use to get around maps.
well, yeah, but who plays out in the open? you're begging to get killed out there.
Latvian Hitman
Member
COD's sales have declined over 40% in the last two years. I'm not sure that's the dog to even be chasing.
It's not worst but it' not a good way to balance weapons. Decrease aim assist, mag size or something like that would be much better.
And at the end of the day, it's changing something that didn't need to be changed. It's a fuck you to the excisting fanbase. And they have the balls to say it was in fiction day one
it wasn't
link1201
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Down for me. I'm in the Midwest .
Halo should start targeting Dota and Minecraft.