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Destiny Nearing 13 Million Players, 500+ People Working on the Game Right Now
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
In the last hate thread someone posted a line just like that and got banned... tread carefully.
Rather, state that the game is so bad that the only reason people play it is because it's crack heroin in pixel form. Much safer.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Fuck, gaf, stop being so poisenous. Im so tired of all the institutionalized trolling.
No, you are comparing this specific game to an addiction, all the while casting it under a negative light.
You fail to understand how your "points" could be taken and applied to a lot of the things you enjoy doing in your life, and it would be just as wrong as you are now.
Addiction is a severe and serious problem, so stop taking it lightly by suggesting Destiny push all of its users to it.
Also, I saw you edit out your post where you were comparing Destiny to a physical drug. Shows how much your line of thought is skewed.
sturgboski
Member
Well no, if you want the actual scale it would be most of the western hemisphere worked on DA:I. I have a friend who on his first play through had a completion time of over 70 hours and still didn't see/do everything. Whereas Destiny is under 10 hours of the same mission structure with no context, then the real game begins that is just grind after grind after stupid Cryptarch. Sorry, turning in engrams...
People will play pretty much anything with friends. The marketing did a great job of convincing people this was the one they should be spending their time on.
All I am saying, with no hidding meanings or statements to be inferred, is that you are having fun right now. Genuine, real, actual fun. But at some point there will be a line, who knows where it will be for you, that the fun becomes addiction, and either you escape it's grasp or you dig in deeper. And while that is partially a failing of the player itself, Destiny is designed in such a way to make sure the player realizes that as late as possible, if never. They do not want you to break out.
Games are designed for you to enjoy the ride. For some that ride might be longer than others, but it will come to an end eventually.
Destiny is trying to be the ride that never end. It's going to do everything in it's power to keep you in that seat. There is nothing wrong with that in theory, but the way Destiny goes about it harms what could have been a much better game.
It's a hard thing to explain because people only tend to understand it once they're sitting on the other side of it. And I don't mean that in an insulting way at all. It's just one of those things people genuinely don't grasp.
Actually I edited that out because I knew people would just jump to an emotional response about "REAL DRUG ADDICTS ARE SUFFERING" in order to downplay the comparison. I actually stand by the idea that crack is, while much more damaging with more severe consequences, an apt comparison to the "concept" of addiction.
This can be said for anything in life, not just video games. And it can apply to any type of video game. I've seen this forced addiction talk used more for Destiny than any other game, and I find it bizarre. That's a pretty lame way to try to explain people liking things you don't like.
People complain about stuff in Destiny all the time, but people bitch in other games too. It's just that they spend a larger amount of time playing Destiny than those other games. I remember complaining about the stupid AI in Madden games for years, but I kept buying the games year after year. Why? It was more fun firing up a game of Madden, with its stupid AI, than playing anything else for me. That's all that matters in the end. Does the game provide enough value to the gamer?
The word addiction should be connected to something that has a negative effect on one's life. There's always a transition period before someone drops a game, but that's no different for Destiny than other games. I drastically cut my playtime. It's because DA is more fun right now. It's not because I'm addicted to DA, and I didn't put in hundreds of hours into Destiny because of addiction. I played it because there hasn't been any greater gaming fun I've had in the last 15 years than dropping in with 2-5 of my friends to shoot a bunch of stuff. Nitpicks lose sight of the larger animal. PEACE.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Are people really this batshit insane?
I don't play destiny every day, I do hop on when my friend text me and say they are getting on PS4, if I'm not in the middle of Dragon Age or Halo.
I do it because it's great fun everytime we play together. Not because I'm addicted. This notion is absolutely ludicrous and you should be ashamed.
njean777
Member
What is that point though? Humans are creatures of habit. Playing Destiny everyday may be a habit, but not an addiction. It becomes an addiction when it causes horrible effects either on the psyche or physically. So chalking it up to being an addiction isn't quite fair now is it? Some people may just be playing out of habit, and yes some may actually have a crippling addiction. The major difference between a habit and addiction is that a habit can be modified or dropped, but an addiction takes help to overcome or sometimes it may never be overcome.
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The posts basically calling people battered spouses and drug addicts for enjoying a video game are worse than what I posted.
Ploid 3.0
Member
It's good to see devs being successful in these days. OT is at #13 on gaf, incredible for a game that isn't even 1 year old.
Cool, if I wanted a story I'd play a story based SP game personally.
Cool, if I wanted a story I'd play a story based SP game personally.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Everything is awesome with friends.
But the focus on co-op, offering both pve and pvp, etc, makes it more suited to play with people than other stuff.
Marketing is another of the words that are thrown off when people do/enjoy things you don't. Plenty of games have tons of marketing behind them and they fall flat.
theepicoftyler
Member
I think you should quit this pseudo-psychological determination before you make yourself look less intelligent.
Best co-op experience of any game I've ever played. Best online community by far of any game I've played. Most people I end up playing with are intelligent, kind, and helpful. I've made a lot of friends in Destiny.
It's got a lot of problems, but for me the positives far outweigh the bad. I understand people not liking it. But I don't know why people are still so insistent to shit on the people who like it. Telling people they're not having fun? I've never seen a game elicit this kind of response so this long after release.
It's got a lot of problems, but for me the positives far outweigh the bad. I understand people not liking it. But I don't know why people are still so insistent to shit on the people who like it. Telling people they're not having fun? I've never seen a game elicit this kind of response so this long after release.
BlackVenom
Banned
Remember, your the Hero and you make your own story within the Destiny universe.
Reality: standing with 5 guys in front of a cave shooting endless hives for engrams.
They just promised so much and didnt deliver the goods.
But we can only blame ourselves for pre ordering instead of waiting.
Reality: standing with 5 guys in front of a cave shooting endless hives for engrams.
They just promised so much and didnt deliver the goods.
But we can only blame ourselves for pre ordering instead of waiting.
veloxStrix
Banned
Let's just ignore the raid and point out one tiny FIXED facet of the game. Good argument!
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I know, but that's kosher since no one got banned for it, but "Weekly Destiny hate thread" is a bannable offense.
Just letting you know.
Nah, I'm going to quit because no matter what I do or say, people will take my argument as "You are saying people who play Destiny are as bad as crack addicts? They ruin families!"
It's not like I'm even going in the OT to complain about it there. They're obviously enjoying it, why should I rain on their parade?
The Shogun
Banned
Some of you guys need to realize its both possible to like Destiny overall and still have MAJOR problems with it.
Its my 2nd favorite game this year and I played the hell out of it up until the piece of shit "expansion" The Dark Below is.
Destiny has the best shooting mechanics / gameplay Ive played in a long time but the sheer lack of content, Bungie flat out lying on multitudes of times, and overall level up / loot mechanics are worth the criticism the game is receiving.
My only hope is Bungie takes this stuff to heart and delivers a great sequel.
Its my 2nd favorite game this year and I played the hell out of it up until the piece of shit "expansion" The Dark Below is.
Destiny has the best shooting mechanics / gameplay Ive played in a long time but the sheer lack of content, Bungie flat out lying on multitudes of times, and overall level up / loot mechanics are worth the criticism the game is receiving.
My only hope is Bungie takes this stuff to heart and delivers a great sequel.
Future PhaZe
Member
The difference is that very few games are as polished as this from a visual and (especially) a gunplay perspective.
Crimson_Gold
Member
My wishful hope is that much of potential of what Destiny could be will be fulfilled in the sequel.
In the meantime, I am enjoying playing this daily with my brother, cousin, and others from GAF. The game is by no means perfect, but to treat it like it is the worst thing ever is hyperbole. The story is lackluster, but the gunplay is so much fun. Playing this game is not an addiction. I play it because I enjoy it and enjoy playing with others. Is that so wrong?
In the meantime, I am enjoying playing this daily with my brother, cousin, and others from GAF. The game is by no means perfect, but to treat it like it is the worst thing ever is hyperbole. The story is lackluster, but the gunplay is so much fun. Playing this game is not an addiction. I play it because I enjoy it and enjoy playing with others. Is that so wrong?
Arkam
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theepicoftyler
Member
Your argument is a blanket argument that hinges on you predicting the future. It's illogical.
EL CUCO
Member
To be fair, shooting at said cave was the easy route that some chose to create a better Guardian. It was no different than farming loot in Borderlands or any other game...only those were trash mobs. But let's be clear, you're not finding any Raid gear from that cave.
Bungie even added an Easter egg in the cave about it, which was pretty cool. Destiny can definitely be charming at times, it just feels a bit chopped up. However, It hasn't stopped me from dumping massive hours of pure shooter enjoyment into it.
Future PhaZe
Member
I'd like to agree, but I'm concerned that the end game is sparse enough that Bungie will feel inclined to push the release of the sequel forward. Expansion 2 and faction rotations would add...what, a year at most before people are up against the ceiling of the end game?
PanicFreak
Member
In Mario, they don't move the goalposts. You beat the game and it's done.
Eh, that's me to a T. I never thought I'd meet enough players to do the raid when I first started playing, but I did, and I've had a great time with co-op. The fact that Bungie made a satisfying shooter in spite of them shitting their bed repeatedly is a small miracle.
Also, judging from the recent threads, It seems nobody has moved on. People are either still playing it, or shitting on it.
There are far, far worse games whose crutch is their addictive game design. Destiny isn't even that great of an example. It's not never ending. Plenty of people, myself included, had very little to do before the new patch came out. I'm sure it'll be that way in a while when we're waiting for the next expansion. Considering that there's no micro transactions or subscription fee I think you're vastly overselling the nefarious addiction plot. Plenty of people can casually enjoy destiny. Maybe that says more about those people than the game itself.
You're quitting without trying. I've asked you twice to explain the line between addiction and enjoyment and you've ignored the question. If you want to make your claim about Destiny and addiction then you need to demonstrate it beyond saying "You'll see".
Anton Sugar
Member
How significant is the "x number of people have played y game" metric? Have any other companies released a similar metric for their games?
Predicting the future with historical evidence. Should we just let shit happen, for better or worse, then deal with it? Hindsight is 20/20, but it doesn't mean foresight has to be blind.
I'm not saying Destiny is the worst, or only, example. But it is one, and that's all I wanted to try and say.
I think this debate would need to be separated in single player and multi-player online games. To the best of my knowledge there is no online multi-player game that has a set end.
Uno Venova
Banned
Is that not the same for the 'single player' in Destiny?
What else did you expect from new content?
CouldBeWorse
Member
I don't have the time or the energy to tear apart your ridiculous arguments, so I'll start with a few quick points:
1. People shit on Destiny for a variety of reasons, but annoying fans are the least of their worries. In fact, I can't think of any iconic annoying Destiny supporter.
2. What you're explaining is what makes Candy Crush Saga so toxic. Destiny has none of that. You buy the game and everything else you do is free within the game. There is no way to cheat or jump ahead with real money. All players are playing by the same rules.
3. The reason why I play this and not MMOs is because it's much less complex and more suited towards 1-2 hours/day instead of 8. That and because the mechanics are flawless. It's always fun to get precision shots. ALWAYS!
4. It's addictive to grind up weapons and gear just like it is in any game.
What I don't like is that the tone of the game doesn't match what you do in it at all.
Dinklage delivering "Finally, the abomination has been destrooed" loses its impact by the 15th time you do it. The crota chick babbling about how only I can do this, when there's literally 5 people talking to her. The words all say my actions have big implications but they really don't.
It also annoys me that my 'character' is 95% defined by the gear I have equipped, rather than by actions or choices I've made.
It's nuts how barebones this game is when you consider the money and talent that went into it.
Aressa
You can't die before your death
20 people? The DLC already on the disc.
Kindred spirit. If you're on PSN, hit me up. LTWood12
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Destiny was able to create a legion of haters everywhere! I'm still having fun with the games pvp, good job Bungie! Best gunplay ever
Anton Sugar
Member
This post is good.
FTFY
Still enjoying Destiny, gotten far more out of it than any other game this year or last. I feel Bungie played things really safe here which has led to most of the parts people complain about (apart from the weak story, no excuse there beyond it just not being a priority). I guess thats about what you'd expect from a new AAA franchise, hope their next effort is a little more ambitious now that they have some experience with the basics.
The DLC is poorly designed for sure, I'd say that this is the clearest example of them 'playing it safe' and the game suffering for it.
So the fact that the first expansion is essentially drip feeding the players barely any content, for $20, is not trying to exploit them?
No, Destiny is not the first or only game to do this.
No, it does not make it okay for Destiny to do.
No, it does not have to be an exact 1:1 comparison to a more pure form of exploitation to still be exploitation.
Either way, I'm out. Have fun with the game. And I mean that genuinely. Games are meant to be fun. If you have fun, good on you. Just don't immediately dismiss the idea that maybe, parts of this game were designed with greed, and only greed, in mind, and to some people that is enough of a negative to not justify the good parts.
Next time explain it then.
pretty much, I think a major beef is that this game could have lived up to the hype but some drastic changes obviously happened late in development.
I just cannot believe the end product was what was intended, some of those conspiracy videos actually make sense (dev talks about trading and betting, cutscenes that are not present in the final game, the traveller was actually the bad guy and the aliens were trying to resurrect it which makes the final area makes sense, etc...)
I just wish they had delayed the launch to sort whatever the hell happened out