LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]
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Ninja Scooter
Member
why don't they just like, develop anti-DDOS shields or something.
lifeexpectancy
Member
Because they want attention. Taking down Amazon wouldn't bring nearly as much attention as taking away millions of people's ability to play their video games (online), especially on christmas.
One more reason not to go digital. Makes it easier to just play your games anyway.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
i don't own either console but it just seems like such an unbelievable dick move to do this on christmas day. feel bad for any kids that got a new console and couldn't use it because some neckbeards thought it would be funny.
No one wants too. You can google how to do it and do it tonight if you want.
Do you think PSN/XBL are big enough to warrant the kind of infrastructure costs Amazon does??
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Really? I have a very hard time believing that.
Fanboys gonna fanboy. Sad thing is that people don't realize this is something that affects everyone and isn't something you can just prepare for.
"PSN XBL being DDOSed"
No need to name them
Gillian Seed
Banned
I am gonna have to disagree with you. Amazon has become a part of daily life for millions of people.
I don't know how with all of the smart people and all of the money in this industry, that stuff like this is able to happen. It makes the platform holders look incompetent, and I can't even imagine the first impression it gives so many people, especially those that don't know what is actually going on behind the scenes.
I feel like if these guys targets iTunes or something, they would be in jail already. It's like MS and Sony don't even have a response.
I feel like if these guys targets iTunes or something, they would be in jail already. It's like MS and Sony don't even have a response.
If you manually sign out of PSN from the PS4's settings I don't think it even attempts to connect to the servers, you can get straight to the menu.
At least that's what happened to me when I played earlier today.
shungokusatsu
Member
Companies can purchase DDoS mitigation services, but they're astronomically expensive. Like hundreds of thousands of dollars per attack / protection period expensive.
Giants like Amazon who almost deal exclusively online have no choice but to get it, and they have the flow of money to cover it.
They have, I posted the link earlier.
lifeexpectancy
Member
I don't.
Stop and think about it for a second. If amazon goes down, there are literally hundreds of other places to buy the same shit elsewhere online.
If XBL and PSN go down, the only major place left to play games online is PC (and maybe Nintendo to a lesser extent).
Over what, 10 million PS4's sold already and probably 5 million or more XB1's sold (maybe 6mil)?
If even 25% of those people try to play games online on Chrismas day, you're talking about millions of people getting their panties in a twist.
Much more attention than attacking Amazon.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I was able to install and update both Mordor and Far Cry 4 on PS4. Can't seem to play FC4 though as it just hangs on the logging in screen. Can't access PS Store but can watch PS Live.
Weird how I can do some things but not others.
Weird how I can do some things but not others.
Dictator93
Member
THank god these new consoles focused on local multiplayer.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
This craziness man, just saw a feed from BBC how this mother is asking for some kind of compensation from MS because this was her son's worst Christmas ever since he can't play his Bone
EndlessSky
Member
What is Google doing to prevent DDOS's? If people really wanted to grief the population, surely DDOSing Google Search would be the best way to do it.
disastermouse
Banned
Smart parent being smart!
Gillian Seed
Banned
Sony and Especially Microsoft should yes. But once again I have no clue on how this stuff works.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Oh yeah, I'm fine with that. Sadly these guys are getting the attention they crave
bodyofanamerican
Member
Glad he at least threw in the provision that if the attacks start up again, he negates their vouchers.
shysaursoft
Member
Amazon is hit daily with smaller attacks, and occasionally gets a much larger knock on the door. Amazon has hired a lot of incredibly talented people, and worked with Google and a lot of other very intelligent companies, to set up rather good DDoS mitigation so that when they go to a prospective client with their AWS solution, they can go 'see, we're damn good at what we do, which is why you want to host with us'.
A good question. MS also sells their own enterprise hosting solutions, it's a big part of their corporate strategy and cashflow. So, if they did switch to AWS, they'd not only be admitting their OWN solution that they sell to others isn't that good, but they'd now be paying for hosting elsewhere, and losing clients for their own hosting. That might be one reason why they wouldn't outsource their XBL infrastructure.
As for Sony - yeah. They could do with some help. PSN has been swiss-cheese from day one on the PS3, as is evident by the early hacks, and now the even bigger hacks of their corporate infrastructure - so they're really not equipped to handle a DDoS of this scale. I'd say that 8 out of 10 corporations aren't - only Amazon and Google seem to have a good handle on things, for now.
Quite a bit. They do a lot of educational stuff to help corporations understand what the problem is and how they can mitigate it, and offer their own solutions to such companies to assist them with attacks. They offer Project Shield that people can sign up for to help protect their smaller sites/business, mostly news or human rights information sites, to protect them. But Google, like everyone else, is sitting with a problem. DDoS works because the internet works. If you wanted to stop DDoS from working, you'd have to stop the internet from working. Scrap it entirely, and start anew (or a least, rewrite the basic protocols to such a degree that it would create a separate internet). You can see why that might be a problem.
Can't remote play my ps4 over the Internet because of this crap.
It really does suck that there is no real solution for this. I think it's starting to get to the point that these companies need to start investing a lot of money to avoid this stuff. Whether it's increasing their infrastructure size or using some kind of anti-ddos services. I know it's expensive, but this has to stop.
It really does suck that there is no real solution for this. I think it's starting to get to the point that these companies need to start investing a lot of money to avoid this stuff. Whether it's increasing their infrastructure size or using some kind of anti-ddos services. I know it's expensive, but this has to stop.
Can't you just unplug your console from the net and play?
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
I shop exclusively at Amazon for all items that aren't retailer exclusive. I'm betting a shit ton of people are the exact same.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I played offline without connection (ps4 physical copy)
Trumpet909
Member
I've been able to play dragon age all day without having to disable my internet on the ps4. I'm not signed into PSN either. Digital copy.
CheDominik
Member
No, you could go either to Settings>PSN>Sign out
ot settings>network and uncheck connect to the internet.
Signing out still allows you to download updates.
Sevyne
Member
I won't even begin to act like I know shit about this kind of stuff, but I will make a suggestion that may or may not sound foolish/impossible. Could Sony/MS set some sort of threshold or something that when broken would trigger a dump/reboot of services? Sure that would mean more temporary losses of service, but likely not extended duration losses. More like a light flicker rather than a full power outage.
Cornbread78
Member
What does this all mean, my Vita still can't log in to PSN..
Ninja Scooter
Member
fuck your life because you need to unplug a cable?
Here's the latest Amazon DDoS story I could find.
http://arstechnica.com/security/201...zon-cloud-with-potent-denial-of-service-bots/
http://arstechnica.com/security/201...zon-cloud-with-potent-denial-of-service-bots/
Farcry 4 works for me but it crashes randomly even when I have the internet connection off. I guess it needs to be patched?
Gillian Seed
Banned
Good point. Amazon would have to be down for more than a day for the mobs to get really impatient.
no, just check off the internet option on the network settings.
Hahahahahaha, I agree man. This is video is GOLD!
Also, I wonder if lizard squad is mostly script kiddies from former Lulzsec.
So you can't prevent the attack from happening -- but what about discouragement? If they're just a bunch of script kiddies, why can't these multi-billion-dollar technology companies and/or law enforcement trace them and get them arrested? Especially since they're being so damned smug about announcing these attacks publicly way in advance. Where's the omniscient surveillance state when you need it.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Amazon is an infinitely larger service than either PSN or XBL. Them being down for even a day would be disastrous to their business.
I am pretty sure Amazon has been hit.
Even without an actual DDoS attack, I believe Amazon suffered during the launch of the PS4.
But their cloud servers are really good and it can mitigate some of the traffic, but the network will still be degraded overall.
You will never be able to eliminate the degradation, as you can only mitigate the attacks farther away and delay it.
A lot of filter and configuration settings can be put in place, but the legitimate end user will be pissed off though. 4-5 sec is an eternity to most end users.
Japanmanx3
Member
Noticed that too....
hikarutilmitt
Member
Anonymous tried to DDoS Amazon a while back, IIRC. Te problem is that while it was a pretty big attempt, Amazon's infrastructure is MASSIVE in scale and it would have taken, essentially, a botnet inside of Amazon itself to maybe make a noticeable dent.
We have to deal with DDoSes all the time at work just because sometimes someone will host something or do something to a group of people that makes them get DDoSed. It sucks and we can mitigate it but, frankly, mitigation can only do so much because it still affects legit users.