LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]
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Fusion Pizza
Member
This is highly entertaining.
kinda gross they need to resort to giving these kids free shit to make them stop.
lifeexpectancy
Member
DDOSing and hacking are not the same thing, just as phishing isn't hacking. People keep confusing these things.
Anyone with half a brain and a little time can learn how to DDOS. A helluva lot less people can learn how to truly 'hack'.
These kids are just a bunch of no-life trolls who probably weren't hugged enough as young babies and are taking out their pent up mommy/daddy issues on the world by trying to spoil fun for people.
You know what you do when XBL and PSN go down? Play games offline, or go out and do something outside/with friends/with your significant other. There's no point in giving them the satisfaction of being upset about it.
If none of us batted an eye about this stuff, they'd crawl off into some other corner of the internet where they get a reaction out of people. The only reason they continue to mess with XBL/PSN is because so many people get their pantyhose in a wad about it. Personally I could care less, lol. As much as I play games I'm just fine going without XBL/PSN for a day, a week, a month, whatever.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Cool, didn't know that. Why doesn't Sony/MS do the same if it is more resistant?
shysaursoft
Member
There is a way.
Take the Internet as it exists now. All of it. From every country, every ISP, every Datacenter, and throw it on a fire.
Now, start from scratch, and write a new protocol that prohibits the kind of mechanics by which a ddos uses the current protocol against itself.
Now take your Internet 2.0, and make the it standard, for the whole world, convince everyone to use it.
Easy!
My guess would be money. It's in Amazon's best interests to make AWS secure, since it's a product they sell, and when you're selling server/cloud uptime is king. AWS *is* the product, so they spend the money to make it good.
Sony and MS sell consoles. While PSN and Live are a part of the package, neither are focused entirely on having flawless online infrastructure (though MS does do it better since they piggyback their gaming servers off existing enterprise infrastructure). XBL is surprisingly robust at weathering bad ddos storms, but not immune. Though I'd bet both are very concerned about these kinds of attacks, but I'm unsure what the tipping point would be where they'd consider spending the money to help mitigate future attacks like this.
It boils down to money, I'd guess. Let's say that installing ddos protection costs $100,000 to protect against a 1 Gbps attack. So you install that. Then the next time an attack happens, it's 10Gbps, and you're not prepared. So you pay and install more mitigation, open up a few more datacenters, spread the system around a bit more so it doesn't have a single point of failure. That set you back a million. Now you're hit with a 400Gbps attack. You're not perpared. So for next time, you spend all that money, pay all the monthly costs, etc, for a 400Gbps attack that... doesn't come. Doesn't come. You're now losing 5 million a year on protection that isn't being put to use, because the kids that might attack you got bored.... so when do you call it quits? Then the instant you scale back on mitigation, boom, there's a 500Gbps attack and you're vulnerable again.
There's just no good way to win in this kind of situation - you can either overspend and hope the money was worth it, or underspend and hope people understand when shit goes down.
After this attack, I'm sure there are many angry phonecalls happening around Sony, and meetings being planned to see what can be done, who is responsible for letting this happen, what will it cost to fix, and who's going to not get a bonus next year to cover the cost of preventing this again. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the future, Sony stops trying to do this themselves and shunts their whole infrastructure over to another company to handle, or a different company (not sure who's handling PSN right now, if it's them, or a third party).
I'm sure that a lot of the newer ddos protection agencies are very eager to let Sony know they can help, for a fee.
shadowsdarknes
Member
As misinformed and unrealistic as this post is, this is going to be the general sentiment among a lot of gamers.
People are going to be disappointed and pissed off.
People will be calling it a garbage service despite this being outage being something largely out of the control of Sony.
Cangrats Valar Morghulis, you pretty much represent the same opinion and feelings as many uninformed, casual gamers.
CheDominik
Member
Today is probably the worst day to put in my new 2TB HDD.
I knew going all digital was a mistake.
Well I still have Killzone and FIFA 14...yay?
I knew going all digital was a mistake.
Well I still have Killzone and FIFA 14...yay?
riskVSreward
Member
How many fucking times does it need to be explained in the thread? The fact that you pay for it or feel entitled to it has nothing to do with the fact that it's being DDoS'd. I'm not going to explain how DDoS works because there's an explanation like 5 posts above yours.
Its just you bro.
I'm still having the message issue everyday, shut us unreal. PSN is Charmin.
Thinly veiled reference to a thread on the last time Lizard squad did this to psn. Sorry will try to keep the references to a minimum.
Let's not so quickly point the blame here. It could very well be a fat 35 year old virgin doing this.
Clinton514
Member
For real? Just like that?
Ddos has been a problem for everyone since the internet existed. It takes advantage of the basic needs of the internet which enable it to work.
Maybe you should find the fix and get rich?
Demigod Mac
Member
@finestsquad just claimed to have taken down Lizardsquad's botnet and everyone should restart their consoles and try again.
Gillian Seed
Banned
Getting kinda irritating seeing people use this thread and "opportunity " to bash psn. When this is clearly an attack the likes of which the psn network has suffered times before. People aren't able to enjoy their expensive console and/or new gifts. Take your console war narrative elsewhere please. Go download one of Sony's five free movies or something...
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
I didn't think about that, I rented it this morning and now I don't have a way to watch it in HD on a TV now...
Recall netflix and steam getting hit before, I don't know anything about amazon being a victim of a DDoS yet.
sturgboski
Member
Man so they really are LizardSquad, what with KimDotCom bribing LizardSquad to stop. Very obvious now.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
But it sure does seem like it, isn't it? For crying out loud it was something that is ANNOUNCED first before carried out and yet here we are.
...no wonder Inquisition refuses to be logged on.
It's sad if true.
Still down for me, on the ps app on iOS.
Kissenkopf
Banned
Brian★;144806323 said:
He IS stupid. If he would be half as clever as he thinks he is...he wouldn't lose everything he had in real life. Yeah, being a king in the net doesn't save you from a good old kick in the fucking ass.
I agree, I don't support groups like the lizards and their actions. But I think these sort of events need to happen to force these companies to adapt and invest in a robust network for their subscribers in the future.
BoboBrazil
Member
Yep. They must not have been aware of the Kim dot come tweet.
CheDominik
Member
Oh and yes there is a Simpsons gif for DDOS attacks
It will sync the file to the cloud, realise that the cloud file is older, and then give you the option of keeping one or the other.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
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hikarutilmitt
Member
If you don't give a shit how it works then don't go making claims about how this or that should work. It's almost never as simple as people think it is.
legacyzero
Banned
LookAtMeGo
Member
Even if they stop the attack the servers will be ddos's on its own with everyone trying to connect.
THERE IS NO SERVICE THAT COULD PREVENT THIS ATM
lifeexpectancy
Member
PSN for PS3 and XBL for 360 are different networks than PSN for PS4 and XBL for XB1 if I'm not mistaken.
The service is fine, I can go on live from playstation and and watch people playing their games.
It's the Internet traffic to actually access the network that is the issue.
Micromegas
Member
Can you imagine the absolute shitstorm PSN and XBL phone-support was today? It's got to be bad on any given day, x1000 on xmas, and then this?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Well, if not for GAF I would've thought my console was defective. Not only no option to sign into Live, but it was locking up and becoming unresponsive. It was good to at least know it was these fucks, and not my system
Ardenyal
Member
Microsoft cant do it and you think Sony can?
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
But is there servers/sites/tech/whatever that is more resistant to these attacks? It seems that people are stating that Amazon/Netflix are more resistant, why cant Sony/MS use that? Asking, cause I don't know.
Gillian Seed
Banned
Then why has Amazon never been hit? I have no clue how these things work, but I am just curious.
Simply Sami
Member
I feel sorry for the support team for both xbox live and psn. The people having to fix this mess on xmas day.