LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

Miktar said:
I'd guess a mix of risk and cost. It's risky to keep doing the same thing, because the longer you go at it, the longer you give an investigation to try and narrow things down.

Also, it costs money to rent time on these big botnets. I seriously doubt the group in question here has their own botnet of this size (they might be trying to grow one as we speak though), so they're renting time on the control of one, to have some fun with.
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That and: School is rough.

They always happen around school breaks.

EDIT: NVM, just checked viking.
 
soxxx said:
Exactly, I posted about this earlier but Nintendo goes hard when it comes to quality. Remember when Pokemon X got sold early in the shop in the UK? Nintendo tracked down every single sold unit and confiscated it.....by any means necessary.

If someone started leaking Nintendo stuff tonight, Nintendo would have them taken out by tomorrow....they dont mess around.
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yeah, that is clearly the reason.
 
So has there been any research into ways for server/client handshakes to not be such an open and vulnerable system? How can the Internet in its current form be sustainable in the long run when this is so easy?
 
HaRyu said:
Its because you can't actually differentiate between what traffic is actually coming in until you actually check it?

Imagine you live in a house and you only let in people whom you designate as friends. Unfortunately, the only way to tell if someone is your friend is they have to ring a doorbell, and you have to go up to the door, open it and physically check if they are your friend or not before you let them in.

Now, if it was normal internet traffic, you can handle this simple task fairly well.

Now if a DDOS was going on, imagine millions of people (who have no business being there) rushing to your door, and each one constantly ringing the doorbell, and you having to keep getting back up, open the damn door, and check each one.

I mean, by your example, a system is already in place like that: authetication/security certificates. But like I said, you still have to actually check each connection to even verify. A DDOS is just the massive traffic spike while the server is going crazy trying to figure out who the hell is trying to come in.
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why not just have your friends do a special door bell ring sequence? that way you know when its a friend or some random asshole.
 
Assuming anyone is ever arrested for this stuff, we'd better hope they don't have enough money to afford that "affluenza" lawyer. This seems like a perfect sort of case to try that as a defense.

FranXico said:
So now we can call the Lizards extortionists.
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This is also a fantastic opportunity to pile on to Mega for the first time in quite awhile.
 
TheBaronOfNA said:
Well, many people here are ready to remind us to buy a WiiU, that Snes is offline, or that they should not have a subscription when Nintendo is "better" protected for "free".
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Don't forget all the incredible and amazing Nintendo quality exclusives that triumph over the dudebro casual games/shooters!

Am I doing it right? XD
 
LAUGHTREY said:
There's no fucking way these jokers take down XBL/PSN and then stopped for 100 bucks a year value.

What the fuck
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Hahaha, so much this.

Actually looking at it from a more broader perspective, with major hacking cases every week, we have governments hacking each other, groups of hackers hacking companies, everyone hacking everyone... 2015 is going to be very interesting in this regard and I think people with hacking knowledge will be very highly sought after, if they aren't allready.
 
HabeeNo said:
Here's why

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https://twitter.com/LizardMafia/status/548254835003637761
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So Reggie is behind this? Ok...
 
Amjad said:
Hahaha, so much this.

Actually looking at it from a more broader perspective, with major hacking cases every week, we have governments hacking each other, groups of hackers hacking companies, everyone hacking everyone... 2015 is going to be very interesting in this regard and I think people with hacking knowledge will be very highly sought after, if they aren't allready.
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And we all thought internet providers would ruin the Internet, when in reality, it is the people who are destroying it.
 
st1nk nuts said:
why not just have your friends do a special door bell ring sequence? that way you know when its a friend or some random asshole.
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The metaphor is only a metaphor. The problem is, the fundamental nature of the internet, how it functions, is kind of hard-coded. The TCP protocol works a certain way, and DDoS uses the way it works against itself. You can't just rewrite the protocol, because then nothing will work with it.

The only way to permanently solve this problem, is to literally take all internets and scrap it, starting over with a new protocol that has checks in place to prevent these kinds of attacks.

DDoS mitigation is kind of complex, but does it exist. It looks like this: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14r6yg_prolexic-in-action-mitigating-a-160-gbps-ddos-attack_news

But as you can see, there are limits to what you can do.
 
Oh wow. Someone explain this to me? So I was playing DAI earlier no problem, right? It makes sense right that you don't need to connect to the servers to play single player. And I get why DAI has servers since there's a MP component.

I got Alien Isolation for Christmas. I must have not even noticed that I wasn't connected to the internet at my folk's place and could play it fine. When I got home and connected to my home network, obviously I couldn't get onto PSN, but I has an Internet connection. BUT Alien wouldn't play. It just got stuck at the attract screen. It was until I disconnected from the Internet that I could play Alien, which, to my knowledge is completely single player. What gives?
 
So to everyone who is unable to play games, are we talking online games? Single player games still ok? Only thing I've tried to play on XB1 or PS4 is Sunset Overdrive which you can play offline. Can you not play other games single player?
 
st1nk nuts said:
why not just have your friends do a special door bell ring sequence? that way you know when its a friend or some random asshole.
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Aha, you forget the part about the million assholes at your front door all trying to ring the doorbell.

Your legitimate friends might actually be in that million, and they're trying to get to the door... but they can't, because there's a million assholes trying to ring the damn doorbell.

By some miracle, one of your friends actually makes it to the doorbell, THEN you let them in. This is why during a DDOS attack, you might get amazingly lucky and actually be able to log in. By pure dumb luck, you managed to initiate a handshake and the server went "oh thank fucking god, someone who isnt an asshole" and lets you in.

But then you do the stupid thing, and realize that you forgot something in your car, so you have to go back outside. And goddamit, the only way back in is through those million assholes. This is also why if you're already logged in, you're could be perfectly fine, but as soon as you do the stupid thing and log out, you're screwed.
 
MvmntInGrn said:
So to everyone who is unable to play games, are we talking online games? Single player games still ok? Only thing I've tried to play on XB1 or PS4 is Sunset Overdrive which you can play offline. Can you not play other games single player?
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I wasn't able to play Alien Isolation on PS4 unless I disconnected from the internet.
 
At least the Playstation 4 will work right out of the box. Sony didn't made the update mandatory, and they include physical games. It's a much worse situation if someone got an Xbox One for christmas and can't get online.
 
Amjad said:
I would not be surprised if we saw more calls for regulated internet if cases like these continue to happen, especially when there no sign of them stopping too.
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Honestly, after the whole Sony fiasco and there being terroristic threats around it, the U.S. government could easily use the patriot act and other homelands security laws to force their way into Internet regulation. Because economic terrorism causes just as much damage as physical explosions.
 
MvmntInGrn said:
So to everyone who is unable to play games, are we talking online games? Single player games still ok? Only thing I've tried to play on XB1 or PS4 is Sunset Overdrive which you can play offline. Can you not play other games single player?
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I tried to play Shadows of Mordor but it needs an update and I can't play until it's loaded.
 
MvmntInGrn said:
So to everyone who is unable to play games, are we talking online games? Single player games still ok? Only thing I've tried to play on XB1 or PS4 is Sunset Overdrive which you can play offline. Can you not play other games single player?
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Offline games do work offline on both consoles, yes.
 
It's weird how many games actually require you to disconnect to work. Is that just awful design? If it can't connect to psn just move on and allow single play. Why should I have to log out?
 
Amjad said:
I would not be surprised if we saw more calls for regulated internet if cases like these continue to happen, especially when there no sign of them stopping too.
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A regulated internet would only work, however, if every single nation agreed to the regulations, and all datacenters and ISPs and end-user setups, adhered to it.

I have faith in humanity, but not that much faith.
 
MvmntInGrn said:
So to everyone who is unable to play games, are we talking online games? Single player games still ok? Only thing I've tried to play on XB1 or PS4 is Sunset Overdrive which you can play offline. Can you not play other games single player?
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I've been aging dragon age on PS4, have to turn Internet off though to get past the origin online check.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
I wasn't able to play Alien Isolation on PS4 unless I disconnected from the internet.
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That is a known bug in the PS4 firmware.

If you are connected to the internet, the PS4 assumes that PSN will be always there for you, thus perpetually trying to sign in and failing, which leads to failure of license verification when you try to launch any game.

If, however, you disconnect the system from the internet, then the PS4 will not try to sign in to PSN at all and rely on the fact that the software belongs to the account which has this system set to primary to authorize launching the game.

Kind of ridiculous that they didn't fix this yet.
 
HaRyu said:
Aha, you forget the part about the million assholes at your front door all trying to ring the doorbell.

Your legitimate friends might actually be in that million, and they're trying to get to the door... but they can't, because there's a million assholes trying to ring the damn doorbell.

By some miracle, one of your friends actually makes it to the doorbell, THEN you let them in. This is why during a DDOS attack, you might get amazingly lucky and actually be able to log in. By pure dumb luck, you managed to initiate a handshake and the server went "oh thank fucking god, someone who isnt an asshole" and lets you in.

But then you do the stupid thing, and realize that you forgot something in your car, so you have to go back outside. And goddamit, the only way back in is through those million assholes. This is also why if you're already logged in, you're could be perfectly fine, but as soon as you do the stupid thing and log out, you're screwed.
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Great analogy.
 
FranXico said:
That is a known bug in the PS4 firmware.

If you are connected to the internet, the PS4 assumes that PSN will be always there for you, thus perpetually trying to sign in and failing, which leads to failure of license verification when you try to launch any game.

If, however, you disconnect the system from the internet, then the PS4 will not try to sign in to PSN at all and rely on the fact that the software belongs to the account which has this system set to primary to authorize launching the game.

Kind of ridiculous that they didn't fix this yet.
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Is it a bug? I know the Xbox One does the same thing.
 
HaRyu said:
Aha, you forget the part about the million assholes at your front door all trying to ring the doorbell.

Your legitimate friends might actually be in that million, and they're trying to get to the door... but they can't, because there's a million assholes trying to ring the damn doorbell.

By some miracle, one of your friends actually makes it to the doorbell, THEN you let them in. This is why during a DDOS attack, you might get amazingly lucky and actually be able to log in. By pure dumb luck, you managed to initiate a handshake and the server went "oh thank fucking god, someone who isnt an asshole" and lets you in.

But then you do the stupid thing, and realize that you forgot something in your car, so you have to go back outside. And goddamit, the only way back in is through those million assholes. This is also why if you're already logged in, you're could be perfectly fine, but as soon as you do the stupid thing and log out, you're screwed.
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i like this explanation
 
What's one day of not gaming. Sounds like they did us a favor for one day.

Look in front of you, those are called people. They may be friends or family, spark up a conversation.

Happy holidays.
 
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