I'm not, I'm calling you what you are. If you are going to accuse someone of being in the muck by going in yourself, you are by definition a hypocrite. Someone being put on display to be an example is a fine way to put fear into others to help prevent future issues. This is why in China they have the death penalty for police corruption. If you don't understand any of these concepts you are more childish than anyone you are claiming to argue against.
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I'm not, I'm calling you what you are. If you are going to accuse someone of being in the muck by going in yourself, you are by definition a hypocrite. Someone being put on display to be an example is a fine way to put fear into others to help prevent future issues. This is why in China they have the death penalty for police corruption. If you don't understand any of these concepts you are more childish than anyone you are claiming to argue against.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
Banned
Sorry, I used that word to be funny. I just want them to be humiliated, not tortured.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
What's in st Louis / Seattle. Is that where Sony and MS. Servers operate from?
Calcium
Banned
I'd like to believe that no adult would intentionally be a complete asshole to millions of people during the holidays. I'm probably wrong, but let me dream Zoon.
The server has to inspect packets to get the IP address of the caller. That is a DDoS attack. Checking for that IP address isn't a 'free' operation for the server and they simply overwhelm the server.
I reluctantly do so because I want to enjoy the systems. That does not mean I think that Gold and PS+ are justified in any way. Like I just said, I actually think both services are complete hose jobs.
LapinAgile
Member
You obviously have never worked in Banking in any capacity. You are dead wrong, they are much worse than what I've seen here.
Just ignore the fact that DDOS vulnerability has nothing to do with the quality or cost of your networking and engineers.
This could have happened to Netflix, Amazon Prime, insert service here. Are you really going to sit here and say none if those services are worth it anymore because they can get DDOS'D?
Their participation in a DDOS puts them at risk to a system that is more abusive and harsh than any chest-pounding Gaffer can ever be. I'm not sure what else the tough guys want, other than some petty self-satisfaction.
Not worth it. Governments would fuck them up for life, this is just an entertainment platform and these kinds of attacks don't generate benefits. This is not a data mining attack, these are kids being punks.
That's a bit of a tough analogy.
Something like. You were thinking of going to get a pizza but a group of anti-meat protestors clogged up the shop and wouldn't let anyone pass to order a pizza. So now you feel like you should be compensated with a free pizza because you couldnt get in to pay for one yourself.
Then you shouldn't be paying for them. Vote with your wallet. Seek alternatives (PC and WiiU).
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
No, just these two. Because they effectively hold the internet I already pay for hostage behind a paywall.
The St Louis ones are most likely due to Furgeson attention. Been happening for a few weeks.
styl3s
Member
Why cant a billion dollar company stop something my 12 year old nephew can do from his bedroom? I am not being sarcastic or anything i really want to know why these companies cant stop this shit because from a outsider perspective it seems kind of silly that a group of people can bring down multi million dollar infrastructure like it's fucking nothing but i don't know anything about this kind of stuff.
The only thing i know about DDOS attacks is that people get very angry if you call it hacking because it's scripting. And no, the service isn't worth it if i can't use it.
The difference being that for a lot of people the PSN and XBL pizza's have already been paid for.
Night Angel
Member
And what the fuck are you doing to help?
You're doing exactly the same thing: nothing. Why act high and mighty about it?
BronsonLee
Member
I feel like Marcel has DDOS'd this thread by making the same damn post over and over
bemusedchunk
Banned
I own a Wii U. But anyway, I reluctantly pay because the systems have games that I want to fully enjoy. But if this shit becomes a regular thing, then I absolutely will stop subbing.
MADGAME
Member
Might need to add the fact that you already pre-paid a monthly fee for pizza to be available to you when you are hungry and you couldn't get one because of above situation. It is still the responsibility of the service provider to be able deliver what customers are paying for.
Bolts-n-Rays1109
Banned
Well, MS headquarters is in the Seattle area. I'm not sure about St. Louis.
Led_Zeppelin
Member
What? I worked as an IT tech, the second a baking page failed to load I got tickets opened in less than a minute. When I moved to a multinational corporation to work as SA on virtual servers after 5 seconds of a server not responding we got massive critical tickets opened to resolve the issue in less than 30 minutes.
The fact that PSN is still down it is a clear show that Sony doesn't takes seriously the availability of PSN as a service otherwise they would push for a 99.9% availability. So far PSN doesn't even qualify for a Two nines (99% availability = 3.65 days down per year) and if I get pushed I would say that so far PSN should be between 96 to 97% availability which is a pretty crappy service.
Nothing, just like you. Would it be better if I said "I want to punch [x thing]" to help galvanize the mob?
bemusedchunk
Banned
WE WANT SONY TO GET OFF THEIR ASS AND FIX IT!
WHEN MY INTERNET GOES DOWN I RESET MY MODEM AND IT WORKS!
WHY CANT THEY GOT OFF THEIR ASSES AND JUST RESET THEIR MODEMS?!
BronsonLee
Member
It's like the Netflix for Pizza!
So much this. Seems like zero actual experience about that sector, yet he's using it in an argument with such confidence. Please STAHP for your own sake.
Calcium
Banned
Do you own a pitchfork and/or torch?
You're dead wrong there.
Punitive justice system does not really work. This has been established and there really are only emotional justifications. I understand the frustration, these actions cause a lot of damage and frustration, but if the perpetrators are young then there really is no need for public floggings or long prison sentences. Kids go through phases, I might have done something similar back in the day when I was going through anxiety and lashed out. I just did not have the tools available nor the knowledge to pull off something like this. I have a hard time believing these Lizard Squad members are adults as they want followers and use terminology one hears in CS 1.6 matches. Then again, I might be wrong as people are loons. The best thing that can come out of this is flushing this whole "you must be connected to our service in order to XYZ" - idea down the toilet. We all knew it was bad from the get-go. You can't expect reptilian humanoids to act properly, and maybe they can not be tracked (hopefully they slip up at some point) but as customers you have power.
I will never understand the people who try to control a conversation simply by posting a dozen times per page.
Blacklotus sucks. I don't have experience with prolexic but an old clan of mine was under some heavy ddos attacks, nowhere near the size lizardsquad will be sending out mind you and our site was down for a week straight and Blacklotus basically said "the attack is too powerful take your business elsewhere we're not wasting resources dealing with an attack of that size" and cancelled it.
Keep in mind this was a few years ago now before ddos attacks got as popular as they are today, so protection probably wasn't anywhere near as good as it is today, but man fuck blacklotus.
It's been explained countless of times. Check this thread for an explanation. Or simply google it. I didn't know till yesterday admittedly, but it makes sense why they can't do anything about it. It's one of those loopholes that's in the nature of how the internet works.
Jest Chillin
Member
So you're intentionally using a "stupid diversion?" And banking organizations having better networks or engineers still doesn't make them exempt from this kind of attack. The only thing that makes criminals hesitate to attack Banks and other major institutions is that Law Enforcement would jump on it even faster and be even more determined to catch the perpetrators.
Yeah, I am. People act like it's a way of destabilizing my whole argument though, which is not really the case, since the banking thing was a diversionary part of the conversation.
But I already payed for the pizza. I had a year subscription with them.
Probably part of it is that if they aren't kids they have a childish mentality anyway. So may as well call them children anyway.
BronsonLee
Member
...IT'S YOUR ILLUSION
You are free not to participate, instead of this meta-posting-about-posting bullshit.
Your hate boner for me is cute.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Its a start.
Not true. My PS4 has been my primary console since day 1 and a couple weeks ago my internet was offline for two days and all my digital games were inaccessible.