LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

MastorofPuppetz said:
hey guys, both services are supposed to come up the same time, if not one is garbage while the other one is not.....Friggin console wars coming into DDOS attack.

Sony's network has more platforms and users on it globally then live, which complicates things.
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Yeah listen to this guy. Don't bring console wars into it. Lol
 
Copen said:
I'm not defensive in the least. I want to know why there's an expectation that both services should be back up at the same time while tossing other factors out the window? Look you like MS and hey that's great I have both consoles I enjoy both so turning this into a pissing contest helps nobody. It's simply unrealistic to expect Sony and MS to have both services up simultaneously that's the point I'm trying to make.
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I have both consoles it's not a pissing contest. People on this thread are perfectly entitled to ask why PSN isn't back up yet when Live is. I want to check out the sale personally so I hope they extend it.
 
ggnoobIGN said:
It should be pointed out as often as possible to put pressure on whichever company for some quality control.
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Well you feel that way then I disagree. Because "quality control" didn't do MS any good either apparently so "quality control" doesn't seem to be the problem since as I understand it there is no way to completely safe guard your network from a Ddos attack. The gods of software MS couldn't stop it either that's the point here. This has shown that even MS isn't infallible so kicking a dead horse over this nonsense does nothing. And "quality control" is irreverent in this situation.
 
Wyndstryker said:
Wow they pissed off Anonymous too?

Also after reading in OT that they're hitting TOR they're not just playing with fire but probably playing with several loaded guns.
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I'll preface this with saying I wish no one serious harm....but this is kinda exciting to see where this fuckery goes.
 
FeiRR said:
How do you know that?
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We know that Sony uses Prolexic as their third-party DDoS mitigation. We know how datacenters work, how distributed CDN (Content Delivery Networks) work, since they're basically half-standardized by now due to the time and investment required in building up to code datacenters to house this level of infrastructure. CDN and distributed infrastructure includes redundancy, up to a point depending on how much money Sony was willing to invest. Obviously we don't know how much they've invested into their infrastructure - some would argue not enough.

As for the rest, it's an educated guess on my part, which you're free to disagree with. I'm not going to claim to be an expert, but I think I have a decent understanding of how these things are set up, and you can find plenty of information on the Internet about these kinds of infrastructures.

As for this dumb PSN vs Live debate that's now kicked in:

Stevan Vidich, director of Windows Azure marketing: “Just about everything in Windows Azure is custom built and proprietary, including protection against DDOS attacks. We use standard DDOS mitigation techniques, but we also have dedicated third-party DDOS systems in place. Windows Azure also monitors for internally-initiated DDOS attacks and will remove offending VMs.”

Microsoft offers enterprise-level hosting solutions (think Amazon's AWS) as a product - they are in the business of having a stable, high-uptime system because it has to be appealing to prospective customers. They have experience in managing the kind of infrastructure Xbox Live is, and have had many years to get better at it since the Xbox 1, transitioning to Xbox 360, and now Xbox One.

Sony is not in the business of enterprise-level hosting solutions, and have a bad track record when it comes to online infrastructure. The original PSN hack, being a good indicator of the swiss-cheese that PSN was, and in some respects, might still be. Sony needs to spend more money on their infrastructure, especially since they have to cover such a wide area with it. I wouldn't say they're terrible at it, and that PSN is the worst ever, but it's obvious Sony is punching above their weight class in this one specific area. Sony is a multidisciplinary corporation with its fingers in a redonk amount of pies. And this is one of the side-effects: taking longer to recover from a DDoS of this size.

An alternate theory might be: they're taking longer to come back up, because they're checking for intrusions that might have happened during the DDoS. They have every reason to worry, in light of the recent Sony Pictures intrusion.

This isn't just XBL vs PSN lololo who wins. This is a big, complex issue, and it doesn't help to reduce the conversation to silly console wars.
 
Ok, so now a third "hacking" group is pitting themselves against the initial "hacking" group that also happens to be the same as that other "hacking" group? ....neat.
 
Miktar said:
And where did you see this? I'm looking at the LS twitter, and see nothing of the sort. If it was posted somewhere other than LizardMafia, I'm guessing it's either one of the many troll accounts trying to cause a riot of people connecting to get free stuff, or LS themselves using a fake account to instigate some trouble.
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My mistake, I thought this was their main account.
 
Stealthcobra said:
Inconvenienced? You wouldn't wish harm on them? Gtfoh these assholes need to be put in pound them in the ass prison. These outtages are costing sony and MS millions. Why this is going on, nobody is buying subs, games, movies, etc. How much money will. Sony or MS spend in saying they are sorry for the down time... Man hours being used to fix this bullshit. People should stop acting like this is just games and its a inconvenience.. Cause there are dollars and time lost.
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On sony's end yeah sure they are losing out on potential sales of games. On the user end you can't say that. At the most we can't play online games or buy new ones which sucks but is hardly enough justification to wish physical harm on someone.
 
I don't think random people's information should be posted on a public forum, that's all sorts of wrong.

In the UK, I can connect via the ios app and my Vita, not got access to my ps4 at the moment. But of the 345 people on my friendlist there's only 21 online, it's usually around 60-70 at any given time so people are still having difficulty connecting. Store is down also, just gives me a maintenance error.
 
TechnicPuppet said:
I have both consoles it's not a pissing contest. People on this thread are perfectly entitled to ask why PSN isn't back up yet when Live is. I want to check out the sale personally so I hope they extend it.
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No it has become a pissing contest by comparing two completely different companies and services and infrastructures to one another expecting the same result for both. It's unrealistic it's unreasonable and contrary to what you think the guy I originally responded to did basically say well LIVE is back up why isn't PSN and in doing so comparing the two.
 
For reference how long was PSN after the last ddos attack? Tomorrow is the first of nine days off and I'd like to have access to PSN for most of that.
 
lol now my phone app isn't loading.

We're going backwards!

I'm not playing online tonight am I.... two days off for the first time in forever and I spent most of it following this crap and waiting. I should have planned something else. Just really didn't expect it would be a multi-day affair.
 
I just don't understand why everything is down except PS3 (and apparently Vita). Those work just fine, but I can't even go to the web store? How does that work?

I just want to buy Black Flag before the fucking sale is over.
 
DidntKnowJack said:
I just don't understand why everything is down except PS3 (and apparently Vita). Those work just fine, but I can't even go to the web store? How does that work?

I just want to buy Black Flag before the fucking sale is over.
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well according to their twitter, they are fucking with the psn store ontop of the ddos so that probably has something to do with it if tru.
 
MastorofPuppetz said:
Again what knowledge do you have of each service? I'm waiting, he is not right until he has some kind of knowledge, just saying he's right doesn;t make it so
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Are u serious? I love ps4 and I don't have xbox one anymore. So no bias shit, psn is shitty compared to live.. IF you had used both throughout the years, u would agree that one online infrastructure is superior than the other.
 
MastorofPuppetz said:
Cheery pick much? You are taking one post out of context, I responded to a post that brought up MS not having been hacked, which is false, and also brought up things besides live, PSN..... Follow the convrsation.
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I have, and I dint take that post out of context, they guy mentioned Sony pictures Hack and You shut that down becausse this is about PSN and LIVE, not to mention no one is talking MS not been hack ever, While Live hasnt been hacked so far since it was introduced.

Also, you should relax as your post are beggining to look more as attacks than anything else, Im not your enemy here.

Either way, this is way off topic, if there is one day a thread about PSN security and XBL security I will gladly talk about it.
 
ggnoobIGN said:
Is it a coincidence that most posters here trying to deflect from sony's role are fellow junior members?
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Maybe they just have a different opinion from you? Sony has been the whipping boy lately to be sure but the people to blame are the cyberattackers, regardless if it's XBL or PSN.
 
xkramz said:
Are u serious? I love ps4 and I don't have xbox one anymore. So no bias shit, psn is shitty compared to live.. IF you had used both throughout the years, u would agree that one online infrastructure is superior than the other.
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Assumptions...I had a 360 from 2006-2009......Other then maintenance, and no party chat, there was no diff between Live or PSn for me. with Ps4 only issue i've had is messages being slow...live has been down as much as PSn this year.
 
That info is valid, though. People don't go around pulling IPs and names out of thin air. Groups like Lizard Squad fuck shit up for everyone else. Rules are the rules so I took the dox down. But should a Sony or Microsoft member approach me via pm....
 
Miktar said:
We know that Sony uses Prolexic as their third-party DDoS mitigation. We know how datacenters work, how distributed CDN (Content Delivery Networks) work, since they're basically half-standardized by now due to the time and investment required in building up to code datacenters to house this level of infrastructure. CDN and distributed infrastructure includes redundancy, up to a point depending on how much money Sony was willing to invest. Obviously we don't know how much they've invested into their infrastructure - some would argue not enough.

As for the rest, it's an educated guess on my part, which you're free to disagree with. I'm not going to claim to be an expert, but I think I have a decent understanding of how these things are set up.
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Thanks for your input. I'm always interested in networking stuff as I have some (limited) knowledge about it and I'm always interested in learning more. I find it absurd that people demand 24/7 service because they pay a couple of dollars a month. That's not how things work.
 
The_Monk said:
What is indeed a shame about all this is that there were plenty of new people ready to have their first online experience with a new console they got from the Holiday season so they could play with friends, family members and so on. It's a shame that those who work hard and need to take care of their relatives while doing so much more, had a little time off from all the obligations only to find they can't play their favourite game online. I just hope all this to be solved as fast as possible, violence-free, hate-free. Nobody wins from being hateful and negative or wishing others harm. I hope they can find the responsible people for this act and I hope they are brought to justice.

Meanwhile, for those who put aside some free time to play with your friends and family members, I feel you, I love this hobby as well and wouldn't mind to be downloading some games from the latest sale or updating some already owned games so I can play with the best updated versions of it.
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The Monk, dropping in with humbleness and knowledge as is his wont. Thank you, Monk, for always being the voice of reason. :)
 
MastorofPuppetz said:
Assumptions...I had a 360 from 2006-2009......Other then maintenance, and no party chat, there was no diff between Live or PSn for me. with Ps4 only issue i've had is messages being slow...live has been down as much as PSn this year.
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So a cloud business platform provider provide the same online infrastructure as a bankrupt company, ok
 
Something is happening...new error message while trying to sign in. Connection is no longer timing out, its straight up being terminated upon request.
 
henhowc said:
Ms is expert at software. Sony at hardware. Does that apply here? Lol
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Neither that nor the fact that Sony has more platforms and users seems to apply. For some the expectation is since LIVE is up by default PSN should also be up regardless of any reasonable thought to them being different companies and infastrusctures and with one company having more users to get back online. None of that matters apparently so let's all get the pitchforks out.
 
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