Is it wrong to look if someone is showing cleavage?

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Oblivion said:
Name one.
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royalan said:
Just off the top of my head:

1) It's popular. Just go to the women's section of pretty much any department/retail store. Unless it's Fall/Winter attire a lot of the clothing for women feature cuts that show some cleavage. It's more socially acceptable for women to show cleavage for a multitude of reasons, and because of that it's popular. For that reason you can have a lot of women buying low-cut tops and never once thinking it's for a man's benefit. It's just what they see other women wearing.

2) It's comfortable.

3) It cooling in the summertime.

4) They like it. And whether or not a woman likes something often has no basis in what the men around her like.
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And those are really just the first few reasons that immediately jumped out in my mind. If someone went and tapped GirlGAF for their collective opinion, I'm sure we'd get even more.

What's pretty strange to me is that there are apparently guys who really think that the only reason a girl would wear a low-cut top is to display her boobs to men. That's crazy to me.
 
Damn, I wish I had gotten the memo that I was only (or primarily) supposed to wear low cut shirts so that men could look at my cleavage.
 
Unbounded said:
So wait.

Exactly how many seconds can I stare at a massive miscellany of mammaries before I'm considered creepy?

This is important.
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About .5 - 1 second. Anything past that and your in the danger zone. Flex those memory muscles. When she's not lookin well thats all up to you on how far you wanna take it but remember your pretty much a creep at that point.
 
Oblivion said:
Yeah, sorry just saw your other post. Updated my own.
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Yeah, I saw. But there really isn't room for tit-for-tat here.

Regardless of what you personally think of the reasons, you can't really deny that there are reasons that women would wear low-cut tops that have nothing to do with women wanting men to leer at them.

Responding with "Well, but they could have worn something else!" isn't really a strong counter to that. It just comes off as more making your reaction to a woman their problem.
 
royalan said:
Yeah, I saw. But there really isn't room for tit-for-tat here.

Regardless of what you personally think of the reasons, you can't really deny that are reasons that women would wear low-cut tops that have nothing to do with women wanting men to leer at them.

Responding with "Well, but they could have worn something else!" isn't really a strong counter to that. It just comes off as more making your reaction to a woman their problem.
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I wholeheartedly agree. It comes down to wanting to look good.

People who say 'Well then you shouldn't wear that if you don't want people to stare at you!' Know nothing of style. Style is what makes you feel good. If I want to wear a fabulous outfit I will rock that shit and not give heed to anyone staring. If they do stare, it's cause they can't pull it off. If I, as a guy, wear something provocative and niche, then I'm not doing it for attention but because I like it.

(This excludes those that do it for attention, but obviously some people wear what they like. Whether it's short shorts, open t-shirts, or cleavage showing accessories. Unless they specify, none of them 'are asking to be stared at'.)
 
BreezyLimbo said:
I wholeheartedly agree. It comes down to wanting to look good.

People who say 'Well then you shouldn't wear that if you don't want people to stare at you!' Know nothing of style. Style is what makes you feel good. If I want to wear a fabulous outfit I will rock that shit and not give heed to anyone staring. If they do stare, it's cause they can't pull it off. If I, as a guy, wear something provocative and niche, then I'm not doing it for attention but because I like it.

(This excludes those that do it for attention, but obviously some people wear what they like. Whether it's short shorts, open t-shirts, or cleavage showing accessories. Unless they specify, none of them 'are asking to be stared at'.)
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Well, my issue is that we're not talking about ankles or forearms here, we're talking about breasts, which are 100% sexual. It's hard to separate fashion from sexuality.
 
On this flipside, as a man, there's really nothing more uncomfortable for me than when a woman plays up her tits to the point it becomes silly.

Like the HR lady at work recently got a boob job and for the last month or so she's been walking around in low cut shirts and popping her chest out, swaying intentionally as she walks, heavily pressing in during hugs at the company christmas event, etc. At first all the guys were like "hey", but now it's gotten really ridiculous, and she's starting to get all bent out of shape because we don't look as often anymore. Which has led to her doubling down and doing even more ridiculous stuff to catch our gaze. It's like, "jeeze [person x], we understand you spent some good money on those, but ffs pipe down a bit and let us get back to work".
 
I'm gay and I have to force my eyes away a lot of times too.

It's weird because in my mind i'm like "don't look at her tits, that's rude."

But the truth is that if they are showing cleavage they WANT their tits looked at. Well, at least 9 times out of 10.
 
I'm asexual, with no legitimate interest in boobs, crotches, or butts, but for some reason, these body parts seem to have an eye magnet equipped with them that makes it hard not to look...! Imagine my embarrassment when my buxom roomate decided to have a conversation with me in nothing but her underwear, and my eyes could hardly stop glancing at her chest as if someone had checked the "snap" box for tools in Photoshop.

What a nightmare...
 
Men are just drawn to cleavage. I've been dating my girlfriend for a year and have seem her tits like 10000 times but I still look. Just don't be creepy about it and for the love of god don't say anything about it (I have seen that too many times...).
 
ElBoxyBrown said:
About .5 - 1 second. Anything past that and your in the danger zone. Flex those memory muscles. When she's not lookin well thats all up to you on how far you wanna take it but remember your pretty much a creep at that point.
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toddhunter said:
It's like looking at the sun. you glance and quickly look away
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Escape Goat said:
No more than two Mississippis.
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What if I'm moving at .5 the speed of light and she's standing still?

What if I'm close to a supermassive black hole?
 
Yeah, even being gay it's pretty hard for me to avoid the glance down in conversation. My eyes also naturally tend to dart around anyway.
 
Oblivion said:
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Sexual attraction to boobs is as old as time itself, good sir.
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Well, because they're sexual, there's very little reason to display them unless you're trying to general a sexual response.
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The natural path after this is to start wearing long dresses to cover up those sexual legs. Mhmmmm. Right?

EDIT:To make the point short, your saying of 'They shouldn't wear short cut tops unless they want a sexual response' is no different from 'She was asking for it' When she wasn't. It's a pretty sick attitude.
 
Oblivion said:
Well, my issue is that we're not talking about ankles or forearms here, we're talking about breasts, which are 100% sexual. It's hard to separate fashion from sexuality.
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They're really not. Just because breasts hold a strong sexual connotation for you does not mean they lack any aesthetic value outside of that. I like clothes that play mine up, because I love the way it looks. I really couldn't give a shit whether it turns anyone on, and I'm certainly not actively trying to do so.

Again, I personally don't notice or care when people look at my cleavage. However, to assume that I'm only showing it because I want sexual attention is pretty off-base.
 
Oblivion said:
Well, because they're sexual, there's very little reason to display them unless you're trying to general a sexual response.
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Dude, they're just breasts. I certainly don't always pick my shirts that happen to show cleavage by thinking "Yes, time to put my breasts on display for men." This is apparently shocking to you, but there are other reasons for wearing a low cut shirt besides wanting to generate a sexual response. Sure it's sometimes a reason, but come on now.
 
I like wearing shirts that show cleavage, it's comfortable that way. Now that doesn't mean I'd love it when people stare like creeps. At least try to be subtle about it.
 
BreezyLimbo said:
The natural path after this is to start wearing long dresses to cover up those sexual legs. Mhmmmm. Right?

EDIT:To make the point short, your saying of 'They shouldn't wear short cut tops unless they want a sexual response' is no different from 'She was asking for it' When she wasn't. It's a pretty sick attitude.
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Ding ding fucking ding!
 
Kitsunebaby said:
They're really not. Just because breasts hold a strong sexual connotation for you does not mean they lack any aesthetic value outside of that. I like clothes that play mine up, because I love the way it looks. I really couldn't give a shit whether it turns anyone on, and I'm certainly not actively trying to do so.

Again, I personally don't notice or care when people look at my cleavage. However, to assume that I'm only showing it because I want sexual attention is pretty off-base.
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Pau said:
Dude, they're just breasts. I certainly don't always pick my shirts that happen to show cleavage by thinking "Yes, time to put my breasts on display for men." This is apparently shocking to you, but there are other reasons for wearing a low cut shirt besides wanting to generate a sexual response. Sure it's sometimes a reason, but come on now.
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I am legit curious how you separate the aesthetic from the sexual in regards to breasts.

There was a thread a couple of weeks back where someone asked a question about why people have a problem with fictional female characters (in any medium) that are massively busty. Initially I thought there was nothing wrong with such a thing (and I still don't think there's anything "wrong" with that) but someone made a good point when they explained that creating your character with large breasts doesn't have any practical use. If you have a character with such a trait it's mainly to evoke a particular reaction (in this case, sexual). And you know what? It was difficult to think of any alternative excuse.
 
BreezyLimbo said:
The natural path after this is to start wearing long dresses to cover up those sexual legs. Mhmmmm. Right?

EDIT:To make the point short, your saying of 'They shouldn't wear short cut tops unless they want a sexual response' is no different from 'She was asking for it' When she wasn't. It's a pretty sick attitude.
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Yeah, I'll equate boob glancing with raping, that is sure to win me the argument.
 
Oblivion said:
I am legit curious how you separate the aesthetic from the sexual in regards to breasts.

There was a thread a couple of weeks back where someone asked a question about why people have a problem with fictional female characters (in any medium) that are massively busty. Initially I thought there was nothing wrong with such a thing (and I still don't think there's anything "wrong" with that) but someone made a good point when they explained that creating your character with large breasts doesn't have any practical use. If you have a character with such a trait it's mainly to evoke a particular reaction (in this case, sexual). And you know what? It was difficult to think of any alternative excuse.
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But real life...
 
Rawket Lawnchair said:
Yeah, I'll equate boob glancing with raping, that is sure to win me the argument.
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Except the poster I'm responding to isn't talking about just 'boob glancing'. Read what he said again-
Oblivion said:
Well, because they're sexual, there's very little reason to display them unless you're trying to general a sexual response.
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Basically he's saying that if you display cleavage, it's ok for men to come up to you and say sexual remarks about you. Because they're practically asking for it by wearing a short cut top.
 
Oblivion said:
There was a thread a couple of weeks back where someone asked a question about why people have a problem with fictional female characters (in any medium) that are massively busty. Initially I thought there was nothing wrong with such a thing (and I still don't think there's anything "wrong" with that) but someone made a good point when they explained that creating your character with large breasts doesn't have any practical use. If you have a character with such a trait it's mainly to evoke a particular reaction (in this case, sexual). And you know what? It was difficult to think of any alternative excuse.
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It could be because the writer wants to give the character a matronly vibe, or just flesh out the universe with real, varied people. People have a wide range of figures and attributes, only sticking to a shallow subsection of appearances and modelling all your characters on medium sized people with medium proportions makes fiction boring.

Regardless, the idea that people who are born with any kind of physical beauty should either hide their bodies at all time or forfeit their right to exist without a uniquely dehumanising and uncomfortable glares, by people who think they have the right to stare just because: more than partially depressing.
 
genjiZERO said:
No, showing cleavage is advertising.
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genjiZERO said:
For sex. Breasts are secondary sexual characteristics and have two functions: 1) procure reproductive partners and 2) feed resulting offspring. So when someone is showing cleavage they are literally advertising their sexuality.
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Wow...

Sakura said:
But... But I do have to look. You don't understand. I can't control it. I don't even want to look because it is embarrassing to get caught, and it's not like you actually gain anything by just looking. But my natural instincts have other ideas, it's just like 'ah boobies' and turns my eyes to look. There is nothing I can do. I think women should be more considerate when choosing their clothes.
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lol

Pai Pai Master said:
it's basically the less heinous version of "she was asking for it"
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Yup.
Rawket Lawnchair said:
Yeah, I'll equate boob glancing with raping, that is sure to win me the argument.
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It's obviously not the same behaviour, but it's definitely rooted in the same kind of warped and backwards mentality.

Bronetta said:
If people gonna put words in my mouth, I can do the same as well.
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I guess you can. It doesn't make you right.

CosmicSmash said:
It's the white knight brigade.
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Go on...
 
"I will stare even if it makes her uncomfortable, if she doesn't want me to stare, she wouldn't be wearing this! She's making herself available!"
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"Sucks that this happened to her, but hell, did you see what she was wearing? She was clearly making herself available!"

Yeah, absolutely nothing in common. No connection there whatsoever, however faint. *sigh*
 
*Reads the thread*

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Can we just get to the SunhiLegend gif?
 
Morrigan Stark said:
To clarify, I am not talking about peeking, but staring and thinking that it's within your rights because "she's advertising".
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It's a good fairy tale, but you're trying to bring the dragon in by any means you can. Seriously, don't do it.

No one said anything is "within their rights" or that women are "advertising" when they're showing cleavage. This is about peeking and appreciating, not actively harassing someone. A man can watch or approach a woman (and vice versa) for all kinds of reasons.
 
Bernbaum said:
Came for this - thanks!
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Wow man, settle down!

Yes it's impossible not to peek once or twice. But at some point the risk is not worth the reward.

Also, sometimes it's just hot as hell and those things need to breathe. Just because they're on display doesn't always mean they're for onlookers. Just the desire to cool down outweighs the desire to remain un-oggled.
 
Morrigan Stark said:
"I will stare even if it makes her uncomfortable, if she doesn't want me to stare, she wouldn't be wearing this! She's making herself available!"
vs
"Sucks that this happened to her, but hell, did you see what she was wearing? She was clearly making herself available!"

Yeah, absolutely nothing in common. No connection there whatsoever, however faint. *sigh*
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No matter how hard you trying you're still off the tracks here. And it's still insulting.
 
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