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[NoWayOut]

Being a long time PC gamer (since the CGA/EGA graphics era) I got myself a PS4 this holiday season mainly for Bloodborne. While I was off, I spent most of my "gaming" time on the console and I have to say I was really impressed by it.

I was amazed by TLOU:R which I played to completion in 3 days and I now consider the best story driven game I have ever played. I then re-bought Diablo 3 (had over 200 hours on PC) and again I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the port and how well gameplay was translated to the new controls.

On top of all that I had a good time playing LBP3 and Minecraft coop with my daughter. Definitely got my money's worth so far.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I wonder if the software sales include the PS+ free games.

 

[cm osi]

sony can still sell something

 

[Magicpaint]

This is super impressive. And that's without Japan as a major factor. PS4 must be doing incredibly well in Europe. Grats to Sony!

 

[Welfare]

So....

PS4 Shipped to consumers 18.5 million
X1 Shipped to retailers 10m

Is that correct? If so


Damn

Number was back from November. We don't have an update yet.

 

[user_nat]

Isn't that 10 million figure from before blackfriday and christmas?

It is, but it was only "soon to be 10m" (not an actual quote, I don't remember it exactly).

They would close to 10m in actual sales by now you would think though.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

I don't think Microsoft ever used almost. Their PR says "Shortly, we will have sold in to retailers more than 10 million Xbox One consoles." Nowhere does it say almost 10 million sold. Semantics, maybe, but almost 10 million consoles shipped implies that current shipments are near 10 million. Shortly means less because we don't know what Microsoft's timetable for shortly is, we don't know how much Microsoft plans to ship in that "shortly" period, and we have a much more vague idea of how many consoles they have shipped currently.

That tweet was strange. If it was shortly, then why not just wait till 10 Mil to make the tweet?

 

[DieH@rd]

Sony is focusing much more on the PlayStation now
http://www.ibtimes.com/sony-slash-s...s-playstation-image-sensors-divisions-1728993

That has big potential because it provides traditional console gaming to much larger install base of users. They need to expand to Europe and developed Asia, release iOS/Android clients and dramatically increase catalogue of games [current PS3 list lacks so many hits, and they need to add PS1/PS2/PSP games].

 

[Daante]

Insane

But well worthy, congrats Sony.

 

[kruis]

Isn't that 10 million figure from before blackfriday and christmas?

That number was how many Xbones MS sold to retailers. That may very well have included consoles retailers expected to sell in November and December. I always thought MS was smart to send out a PR tweet at the exact moment retailers were buying the most console systems (without actually having sold them).

 

[JaggedSac]

Doing very well.

That number was how many Xbones MS sold to retailers. That may very well have included consoles retailers expected to sell in November and December.

Theres no may very well, it did include those consoles.

 

[oti]

Ok Sony. Now fund Top Spin 5 already!

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Number was back from November. We don't have an update yet.

It was but it wasn't even a confirmation of 10 million, they said something like "were close to 10 million or on our way or something" plus wasn't it sold in to the retail channel and not consumers?

 

[Road]

5) wii ltd shipped (2007-12-31) - 20.14 million

5) ps4 ltd sell-through (2015-01-04) - 18.5 million

I'll try to explain why it is always relevant to note Wii numbers were shipped instead of sold to consumers.

Shipped - sold through = in stock/transit.

Japan: 4.99 (dec.31) - 4.86 (jan.6) = 0.13 or 2.58%
North America: 8.85 (dec.31) - 8.19 (jan.5) = 0.66 or 7.46%
Others: 6.30 (dec.31) - ??? = ??? ???

(hardware units in millions)

Despite Wii always selling out, there's still a perceivable difference because goods transportation doesn't employ teleport (yet). It takes days (or even weeks) for a product to reach the consumer's hands.

Please note there already is one additional week in the numbers sold to consumers. If we remove that week to match the same date as the shipment, the number of units in stock/transit will be even higher (how much higher, I don't know due to the lack of weekly sales in North America)

Based on the information above and assuming every unit shipped to Others until Dec. 31/2007 was sold by Jan. 5/6 2008, Wii sold through number cannot be higher than:

4.86 (jp) + 8.19 (na) + 6.30 (others) = 19.35 million.

But as I already explained, that assumption is unlikely to be true. The most probably scenario is that there's a percentage of the 6.3 million shipped to others still in stock/transit. What percentage?

If we use Japan as a base: 4.86 + 8.19 + (6.30 * (1 - 2.58/100)) = 19.19 million
If we use North America: 4.86 + 8.19 + (6.30 * (1 - 7.46/100)) = 18.88 million

But what is the actual number? How is the retail distribution system in "Others"? Does it have less surplus than Japan (since "Others" are a bunch of smaller countries)? Or is it has even more surplus than North America (4 countries vs. 20+)? Unfortunately, we don't have the answer.

And the same apply to software, except in even larger scale, since odds are the average game sits in a shelf for much longer than a console (especially one that was selling out like the Wii).

Shipped - sold through = in stock/transit.

Japan: 16.8 (dec.31) - 13.6 (dec.30) = 3.2 or 19%
North America: 60.9 (dec.31) - 34.9 (jan.5 - US only) = 26.0 or 43%
Others: 35.5 (dec.31) - ??? = ???

(software units in millions)

In conclusion, Wii shipped 4.32 million from Jan-Mar 2008 and was still selling out. There's no way the PS4 will match that. The PS4 will not be this close to the Wii total again at least until 2019.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Ok Sony. Now fund Top Spin 5 already!

#buildingthelist

Gio pls

 

[witchedwiz]

if it's sold console, that's a REALLY solid number..

 

[Jimmyfenix]

if it's sold console, that's a REALLY solid number..

Sold through to customers was confirmed by Kaz

 

[pastrami]

That tweet was strange. If it was shortly, then why not just wait till 10 Mil to make the tweet?

Have you been reading through this thread? Or any of a number of articles written about their PR? The running narrative is that in November, Microsoft had sold in almost 10 million XBox Ones, regardless of how true that statement actually is. Very few people are paying attention to the wording of their PR.

http://news.xbox.com/2014/11/xbox-one-sales-on-the-rise

"Shortly, we will have sold in to retailers more than 10 million Xbox One consoles."

That is the only statement Microsoft makes regarding sales, and people are running with it. I have no doubt that it was worded that way because they know people will focus on the 10 million XBox One consoles, without the qualifier of "shortly."

Don't get me wrong, for all we know, XBox One sales in November very well could have been close to 10 million. But we can't say definitively that it was, even from Microsoft's own PR.

Actually SATYA NADELLA confirmed that they hit the 10 million at a Annual Shareholder Meeting on 3rd December.



Obviously into retail

Thanks for the info.

 

[Tfault]

I don't think Microsoft ever used almost. Their PR says "Shortly, we will have sold in to retailers more than 10 million Xbox One consoles." Nowhere does it say almost 10 million sold. Semantics, maybe, but almost 10 million consoles shipped implies that current shipments are near 10 million. Shortly means less because we don't know what Microsoft's timetable for shortly is, we don't know how much Microsoft plans to ship in that "shortly" period, and we have a much more vague idea of how many consoles they have shipped currently.

That tweet was strange. If it was shortly, then why not just wait till 10 Mil to make the tweet?

Actually SATYA NADELLA confirmed that they hit the 10 million at a Annual Shareholder Meeting on 3rd December.

Finally, our gaming business is thriving with the Xbox One hitting 10 million units sold

Obviously into retail

 

[Welfare]

Actually SATYA NADELLA confirmed that they hit the 10 million at a Annual Shareholder Meeting on 3rd December.



Obviously into retail

Please link that. Also, that could be referring to the PR.

 

[DieH@rd]

In conclusion, Wii shipped 4.32 million from Jan-Mar 2008 and was still selling out. There's no way the PS4 will match that. The PS4 will not be this close to the Wii total again at least until 2019.

It will be hard to sustain sales that Wii had in Q1 2008, but at least PS4 has a lot of software that probably be able to push it ahead of 1.5M per month sales average. January will be slow, but Feb and March have potential for moving a lot of consoles.

Jan
Dying Light

Feb
Evolve
The Order: 1886

March
Battlefield Hardline
Final Fantasy Type-0 HD+FF15 demo
Project CARS
Bloodborne
MLB 15: The Show


Most importantly, Japan will [hopefully] be kicked back to life with FF and Bloodborne.

 

[Tfault]

Please link that. Also, that could be referring to the PR.

Microsoft Annual Shareholder Meeting

See Page 8.

My belief is that it does directly relate to the previous PR statement.

 

[Begaria]

Microsoft Annual Shareholder Meeting

See Page 8.

Hmm,

Finally, our gaming business is thriving with the Xbox One hitting 10 million units sold. I am thrilled to welcome Mojang and Minecraft community to Microsoft.

Now is that 10 million sold in or through as of Dec 3? I'm leaning towards sold-through due to estimates putting the Xbox One at sub 10 million sold-through heading into November. November/Black Friday had the Xbox One selling over a million, which would put them right around the 10 million mark.

So I guess it's a 1.85:1 ratio of PS4:XB1?

 

[FonkyByNature]

Sony deserves all the sales, they have been consistent with their messaging and the PS4 is an amazing console. It's my go to console this gen easy.

The system looks great, controller is great, online too, graphics... + it's Playstation which is a international popular brand. All that makes a great receipe for success. This year will be great games wise, i have so many games on my radar is crazy, my wallet will take a big hit !

 

[Reckless Onion]

How long did ps3 do for that number?

 

[FDC1]

Hmm,



Now is that 10 million sold in or through as of Dec 3? I'm leaning towards sold-through due to estimates putting the Xbox One at sub 10 million sold-through heading into November. November/Black Friday had the Xbox One selling over a million, which would put them right around the 10 million mark.

So I guess it's a 1.85:1 ratio of PS4:XB1?

It's very unlikely X1 has reached 10M sold-trough yet

 

[Welfare]

Microsoft Annual Shareholder Meeting

See Page 8.

My belief is that it does directly relate to the previous PR statement.

Would MS have to give an accurate number in this doc, or can they reuse PR to give to shareholders?

 

[Xando]

Hmm,



Now is that 10 million sold in or through as of Dec 3? I'm leaning towards sold-through due to estimates putting the Xbox One at sub 10 million sold-through heading into November. November/Black Friday had the Xbox One selling over a million, which would put them right around the 10 million mark.

Didn't they say they almost shipped 10 million on nov 12th or something?

 

[Javin98]

I'm still wondering when the 18.5 million figure was actually taken. I'm guessing post Christmas but is there a chance it was taken before Christmas? Regardless, the PS4 will hit 20 million very soon. With the big guns rolling out and a possible price drop to $299, I predict the PS4 will reach 40 million by the end of this December.

And Microsoft's vague "10 million shipped shortly" PR doesn't give us much info. Shortly can refer to as little as a week to 2 months. The XBox One may have shipped over 10 million by now, but the sold through numbers should be ~9-9.5 IMO.

 

[Welfare]

Didn't they say they almost shipped 10 million on nov 12th or something?

They said "approaching".

I'm still wondering when the 18.5 million figure was actually taken. I'm guessing post Christmas but is there a chance it was taken before Christmas? Regardless, the PS4 will hit 20 million very soon. With the big guns rolling out and a possible price drop to $299, I predict the PS4 will reach 40 million by the end of this December.

January 4, 2015 was the cut off.

 

[pastrami]

Would MS have to give an accurate number in this doc, or can they reuse PR to give to shareholders?

Lying to shareholders would be illegal.

And Microsoft's vague "10 million shipped shortly" PR doesn't give us much info. Shortly can refer to as little as a week to 2 months. The XBox One may have shipped over 10 million by now, but the sold through numbers should be ~9-9.5 IMO.

They said "approaching".

From here: https://view.officeapps.live.com/op...gAssets/Downloads/FY15/Microsoft_2014ASM.docx

Satya Nadella: "Finally, our gaming business is thriving with the Xbox One hitting 10 million units sold."

So we know XBox One has sold in to retailers at least 10 million units by December 3rd.

 

[CozMick]

My guesstimate based on "approaching 10 million shipped" tweet

Xbox One - 9,000,000 sold-through
Playstation 4 - 18,500,500 sold-through.

More than a 2:1 ratio in the first 14 months :O

 

[Amentallica]

I just wanted to chime in and point out some of the disbelief over how many people ACTUALLY have PS+. There was some concerning comments about that earlier in this thread...

...Not everyone thinks PS+ is a bargain, or a great value. There are plenty who think the PS3 was the better console last gen because multiplayer was still free. There's also still a lot of happy PS3 owners in general.

For many across the world, PS+ was never perceived to be the 'value' many Americans believe it to be. Americans pay $60 a year and think they're getting free stuff... The rest of the world looks at it is, "Uh, free stuff? Um, can we have the drugs those guys are sniffing, because you're clearly not getting free stuff... and your value decreases with each and every month that goes by when you're not downloading a game you'd actually want..."

Throwing multiplayer behind a pay wall on the PS4 isn't helping matters of perception around the world, either.

The United States does NOT equal the rest of the world. PS+ was always held with some contempt everywhere else.

Unless you know a majority of people on Earth, this is meaningless. Therefore you are either extrapolating personal anecdotes to the rest of the world or are just making shit up, which doesn't mean squat.

 

[Syrus]

It's very unlikely X1 has reached 10M sold-trough yet

With sellibg 1.2 million in US alone in november? I think its likely they sold thriugh 10 mill now

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Hmm,



Now is that 10 million sold in or through as of Dec 3? I'm leaning towards sold-through due to estimates putting the Xbox One at sub 10 million sold-through heading into November. November/Black Friday had the Xbox One selling over a million, which would put them right around the 10 million mark.

So I guess it's a 1.85:1 ratio of PS4:XB1?

Unless it is stated otherwise, the numbers from corporations are always shipped to retail numbers.

 

[Tfault]

Would MS have to give an accurate number in this doc, or can they reuse PR to give to shareholders?

Don't think Nadella would lie and would not be a good idea.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

PS plus is like a 600 million dollar business for them.

Gotttdayum.

 

[Begaria]

It's very unlikely X1 has reached 10M sold-trough yet

Didn't they say they almost shipped 10 million on nov 12th or something?

Yes they said they were going to be shipping more than 10 million Xbox One units in the middle of November:

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/11/12/nearly-10-million-xbox-one-consoles-shipped-in-us/

I remember estimates putting the Xbox One around 7-8 million sold-through from NPD analysis and it went on to sell 1.2 million units in November. That has to be close to, if not at, 10 million.

 

[biglittleps]

when we are going to get quarter shipments for both sony and ms?

 

[EatMyFace]

It's very unlikely X1 has reached 10M sold-trough yet

I beg to differ. I expect an announcement this month.

 

[Javin98]

With sellibg 1.2 million in US alone in november? I think its likely they sold thriugh 10 mill now

I doubt it. As someone mentioned earlier, the US contributes 60% of the X1's sales with the UK contributing a significant figure as well. However, as it's been said many times, it is practically dead everywhere else. My predictions put it at ~9 million

 

[Shabad]

Hmm,

Now is that 10 million sold in or through as of Dec 3? I'm leaning towards sold-through due to estimates putting the Xbox One at sub 10 million sold-through heading into November. November/Black Friday had the Xbox One selling over a million, which would put them right around the 10 million mark.

So I guess it's a 1.85:1 ratio of PS4:XB1?

Microsoft itself announced mid-november that they were reaching 10 millions console shipped "soon". Most likely, Nadella on the 3rd of December was refering to that exact same number. Question is, were the 10 millions shipped finally reached at that time ? Or did that "hitting 10 million units" mean that it was still in the process of reaching that number ?

Cryptic PR will be cryptic...

 

[Nightengale]

With sellibg 1.2 million in US alone in november? I think its likely they sold thriugh 10 mill now

With November, XB1 amounts to around 4.9 mil sales in US. US makes up approximately 60% of the global XB1 install base. (possibly even higher skew in Nov/Dec, due to notably better discount/sales in US)

10 million is definitely possible, but the chances of it not being achieved yet is also very probable.

Anyway, all guesswork.

 

[BigDug13]

I beg to differ. I expect an announcement this month.

Will they really announce that around the same time Sony announces nearly 20 million sold through? I don't see Microsoft announcing any specific numbers to the media when losing this badly.

 

[biglittleps]

I doubt it. As someone mentioned earlier, the US contributes 60% of the X1's sales with the UK contributing a significant figure as well. However, as it's been said many times, it is practically dead everywhere else. My predictions put it at ~9 million

I don't think so, surely XB1 little above 10 million by now unless their sales went down to 50% of November in US for December.

 

[Tfault]

Microsoft itself announced mid-november that they were reaching 10 millions console shipped "soon". Most likely, Nadella on the 3rd of December was refering to that exact same number. Question is, were the 10 millions shipped finally reached at that time ? Or did that "hitting 10 million units" mean that it was still in the process of reaching that number ?

Cryptic PR will be cryptic...

There is no doubt that the statement means reached.

 

[Nightengale]

I don't think so, surely XB1 little above 10 million by now unless their sales went down to 50% of November in US for December.

For them to be over 10 million at the 60% US ratio, they need to sell 1.1+ million XB1s in December.

Possible, but that's actually a stretch goal as well.

 

[jurec84]

With sellibg 1.2 million in US alone in november? I think its likely they sold thriugh 10 mill now

I highly doubt that. What are the XB1 lifetime sales in the US? Can we guess or estimate some WW XB1 numbers?

 

[Freeman]

 

[Nightengale]

I highly doubt that. What are the XB1 lifetime sales in the US? Can we guess or estimate some WW XB1 numbers?

4.9~ million as of YTD November 2014.