NCAA restores Paterno's vacated wins

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Dragon said:
The wins should never have been vacated. No one's vacating Florida wins when Aaron Hernandez was there even though he murdered people. It was a dumb thing to do.
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The dumb thing to do was allowing Pedo State's football worshiping cult to continue to exist.
 
Dragon said:
The wins should never have been vacated. No one's vacating Florida wins when Aaron Hernandez was there even though he murdered people. It was a dumb thing to do.
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It sends a message that football success at the expense of everything else, even when rape is being allowed by a program, will not be tolerated or recognized. It emphasizes that football is NOT everything.

With the restored wins, JoePa is back to being a legend/god in the record books. And he did it while his program protected a serial child rapist.

the worship of the football program is exactly how the situation ended up so bad.
 
Fotheringay said:
And the NCAA fought to seal all documents in that initial trial because it showed how incredibly biased and incompetent they were in their investigation.
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Right. It's been what, just under five years since the sanctions were handed down, and only now are we on the verge of having the pertinent NCAA internal emails unsealed.
 
Dragon said:
The wins should never have been vacated. No one's vacating Florida wins when Aaron Hernandez was there even though he murdered people. It was a dumb thing to do.
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The thing is, they did. To go back on that decision does not "correct" anything, and only brings to light how foolishly the NCAA handled the issue in the first place.

The other thing is that Aaron Hernandez was a past part of the Florida Gators, and his actions were not condoned or covered up by Florida. You don't get tagged for having horrible people be a part of your organization at some point in the past, you get tagged for letting horrible people flourish within your program.
 
Dragon said:
The wins should never have been vacated. No one's vacating Florida wins when Aaron Hernandez was there even though he murdered people. It was a dumb thing to do.
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It frustrates me so much that Florida helped hide all of Aaron Hernandez's bodies. Hopefully, they can convince the NCAA that they don't deserve to have their wins vacated because it just isn't right.
 
Dragon said:
No one's vacating Florida wins when Aaron Hernandez was there even though he murdered people. It was a dumb thing to do.
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lol

Did Florida's administration know Hernandez was going to murder people in the future Minority Report style? And fail to report it to authorities and cover up that information?
 
Pathetic

Now the crazies up there can keep worshiping their child rape enabling football god without feeling so bad about it.
 
Dragon said:
The wins should never have been vacated. No one's vacating Florida wins when Aaron Hernandez was there even though he murdered people. It was a dumb thing to do.
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They should have been vacated. Penn State heavily recruited and only had players on the field due to their "no major infractions" schtick. Which they preserved by covering up child rape.

Aaron Hernandez hadn't murdered someone at the time of his Florida games.
 
Fox Mulder said:
Pathetic

Now the crazies up there can keep worshiping their child rape enabling football god without feeling so bad about it.
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They've already jumped through plenty of mental hoops to not feel bad about it, and there's plenty of posts earlier in the thread showing exactly that.
 
Branduil said:
If the rest of the NCAA teams had any honor at all they would refuse to ever play Penn State in football. They don't, unfortunately. That school should be burned to the ground and the Earth where it stood salted.
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I hope any potential college student just never enrolls in Penn State and the whole college just goes bankrupt as a result.

No one now should enroll in that school.
 
JNA said:
I hope any potential college student just never enrolls in Penn State and the whole college just goes bankrupt as a result.

No one now should enroll in that school.
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If I have kids, and they apply to Penn State for college, I will flat out tell them "I will not pay for your tuition if you enroll at Penn State"
 
Notrollious said:
If the NCAA had any guys they would've given them the death penalty.

*sigh*
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Calling something related to sports and college programs "the death penalty" is sad when it's just that - something related to sports and college programs - when the issue on the other side is child rape.
 
When people argue that vacating the wins wasn't a real punishment, the fact that Penn State sued the NCAA specifically to get the wins back proves them dead wrong.

So in the end, what exactly did PSU's punishment end up being?
 
NCAA continues to be a fucking joke. Lets crucify any athlete that tries to make a few bucks, but raping children, and institutionally covering it up is fine. The punishment was already light (death penalty should have happened), but lowering the penalty is unacceptable.
 
terrisus said:
Calling something related to sports and college programs "the death penalty" is sad when it's just that - something related to sports and college programs - when the issue on the other side is child rape.
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What would you call a punishment or ruling that ends a school's specific sports program?
 
So,

when will the re-erect the statue so the nutjob fanbase can continue to white wash St. Joe's place in child rape history?
 
What was the point of all this, then?

What a ridiculous excuse for a "governing body."

mre said:
Alabama had to vacate wins because some players sold back too many textbooks.
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Georgia Tech had to vacate an ACC Championship because an ineligible player competed.
 
Utterly shameful. Time to wipe out the NCAA, fire everyone, bar them all from being hired by a new college athletics governing body, and start over. Without Penn State.
 
Dragon said:
The wins should never have been vacated. No one's vacating Florida wins when Aaron Hernandez was there even though he murdered people. It was a dumb thing to do.
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No way. Penn State gained a competitive advantage by covering up child rape.

No punishments were handed down. No damage to the university was incurred at the time of the offense. It was better to keep child rape quiet to protect the school.

They allowed Sandusky to continue to stay on campus and interact with children despite knowing he raped children using a charitable program affiliate with the football program.

Joe Paterno did nothing to stop Sandusky and hand him over to the police.

Penn State Football is an institution that wields great power. The fact that so many other programs are dependent on its financial success to exist is evidence of the disproportionate power it holds.
 
I don't even understand why the NCAA did this just from a sheer policy standpoint. Wouldn't this be encouraging all future teams that get sanctioned to sue the NCAA to get their wins/whatever else given back? This is of course assuming I heard correctly that Penn State is one of the first to actively sue the NCAA for giving out a penalty. Why would the NCAA, as corrupt and power hungry as they are, want to encourage lawsuits like that? Once they had vacated the wins they should have stuck with the penalty, whatever it was, rather than relenting for absolutely no benefit to them at all (other than terrible PR anywhere but State College).
 
So the message the NCAA is sending to schools is that covering up for a child rapist is more forgivable than having one of your players go behind your back to get a house for his parents. Cool.
 
Im from Pittsburgh so I know a lot of people who went to Penn State. The amount of circle jerking on my facebook right now is absurd, so I decided to antagonize

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Should be fun once they catch wind...so sick of people supporting this asshole and that shitty school
 
So according to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_child_sex_abuse_scandal

The original set of penalties imposed was:
Five years probation.
A four-year postseason ban.
Vacating of all wins from 1998 to 2011–112 wins in all. This had the effect of stripping the Nittany Lions of their shared Big Ten titles in 2005 and 2008. It also removed 111 wins from Paterno's record, dropping him from first to 12th on the NCAA's all-time wins list.
A $60 million fine, the proceeds of which were to go toward an endowment for preventing child abuse. According to the NCAA, this was the equivalent of a typical year's gross revenue from the football program.
Loss of a total of 40 initial scholarships from 2013 to 2017. During the same period, Penn State is limited to 65 total scholarships—only two more than a Division I FCS (formerly I-AA) school is allowed.
Penn State was required to adopt all recommendations for reform delineated in the Freeh report.
Penn State must enter into an "athletics integrity agreement" with the NCAA and Big Ten, appoint a university-wide athletic compliance officer and compliance council, and accept an NCAA-appointed athletic integrity monitor for the duration of its probation.
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All rescinded penalties are crossed out.

I'm impressed that Penn State has managed to get all the penalties that matter rescinded. Child rape is indeed condoned by the NCAA, what an amazing organization.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
So the message the NCAA is sending to schools is that covering up for a child rapist is more forgivable than having one of your players go behind your back to get a house for his parents. Cool.
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But Pete Carrol "should have known" about the personal finances of the families of his players!

Seriously, they even state in their ruling that nobody at USC knew what was going on... and yet they get slammed way harder than even the boys that Sandusky (not Paterno...) serial raped.
 
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