Jesus. At least the makers of Criminal Girls don't support this crap. That we know of of course.
Hatred receives rare "Adults Only" (AO) rating from ESRB for violence and language
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Jesus. At least the makers of Criminal Girls don't support this crap. That we know of of course.
meanspartan
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Nice strawman you set up, but that was not what I meant by that at all.
SargerusBR
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Disgusting
the_batman
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well that's just lovely..
Backfoggen
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It seems that you are right. Someone somewhere said you could kill children in Postal 1 and that is somehow stuck in my head.
Anyways you can replace that with Deus Ex which lets you blow up kids and also got an M.
The funny thing about any site ever that's gone "We're going to be completely open and let's talk about anything!" eventually start banning topics anyway, because a rudderless site just turns into a clusterfuck of who can shout the loudest. Reddit notably will tell people they won't ban a topic or a subreddit.. up until the moment they end up doing it anyway.
I don't think GAF has ever presented itself in this way, at any time. One of the basics of free speech everyone should become familiar with is where your rights end and begin to trample on the rights of others.
I don't think GAF has ever presented itself in this way, at any time. One of the basics of free speech everyone should become familiar with is where your rights end and begin to trample on the rights of others.
YianGaruga
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Well, I think I actually support banning the discussion of the game now. Not because of the content, but because of the developers.
Winterfang
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:/
Kinda disappointed hearing all of this considering I hate censorship in any way, shape or form.
sankt-Antonio
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I'm against supporting the game. BUT, the gameplay and gameview remind me of the True Lies game, wich i would love to be done this gen.
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It's to keep Neogaf ready for the future. A hundred years from now it'll continue the teachings of Evilore and Co and continue to uphold moderation standards.
People would probably think we're extreme conservatives and right wingers at that point
aspiegamer
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.................
Sigh.
Edit: Look. No. This is not that. That is not how this works. NeoGAF is allowed to have community policies. Please look up the definition of "censorship".
sechsterangriff
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This actually repulses me way more than the nature of the game...
Backfoggen
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It is censorship. Censorship that the owners 100% are allowed to force because it's their forum.
Lalalandia
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Never mind it's a rabbit hole I shouldn't have started diwn
THIS ISN'T CENSORSHIP
Well aint that some shit. If this is true then it's clear what their agendas are with this game, or at least where their influences lie.
Who decides what's 'toxic'? We've all got different lines of what we are willing to cross or not willing to cross. It should be the choice of the individual whether they want to play the game or not. Disagreeing with this is basically agreeing with everything Jack Thompson said in the early 2000's.
Brutalitops
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How will it be made available? Will I just be able to buy it off steam still?
Sorry I'm just not sure what the implications of an AO rating are.
Sorry I'm just not sure what the implications of an AO rating are.
the_batman
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do you really want to support these neo-nazis?
ldcommando
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will play
Sarcastico
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Disgusting. I was ok with the game at first, even wanted to play it. The added context changed my mind quickly, however.
Brutalitops
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If they make a game I want to play, sure.
AO means none of the big box retailers will carry the game, and none of the console makers will license your game. This game wasn't planned to be at either.
ESRB ratings are entirely voluntary for PC games. You don't need an ESRB rating to be on Steam, as well.
To answer for you beyond what others mentioned, M17 is not necessarily 'restricted' to adults only (none of this is legally binding at any rating, of course) but it is intended for them. It's like an R rated movie in the US: Many places won't sell you a ticket as a minor (or the game) but you can go with an adult and get in fine. AO is a more strict "This is absolutely not for people under 18". stores won't sell them, so it's moot in that regard, but it would be like a movie theater showing a XXX film: they flat out wouldn't let kids in no matter who they were with.
I think we all know people who were teenagers and weren't psychos and played plenty of "M" games, Mortal Kombat and such, and it's the parents judgement whether they should or shouldn't be doing it. With AO it's more "No, you shouldn't be giving them this game" (Again, murky only because there's no legality involved here as long as it's not actually pornographic).
Lalalandia
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No no it is not. JT wanted legal restrictions on the sales of games, literally censorship. PEGI/ESRB are voluntary bodies set up so that parents can have an idea what a title contains. That retailers have decided they don't want AO titles is decision of the marketplace.
The dev chose to make an intentionally confrontational title and they have achieved that goal. That they are having to live with the consequences of that is life. Are cinemas censoring porn because I can't walk out of a screening of Frozen and straight into Debbie Does Dallas?
If this game will be any good, I don't see why not.
Lalalandia said:
"If this game will be any good, I don't see why not." I couldn't give more fucks about who is behind what game and what political views devs might have...
Portugeezer
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Good I guess, but I really don't think it will affect digital sales which is how this game will be available.
To the people who give a fake shit: fuck this game.
To the people who give a fake shit: fuck this game.
Palette Swap
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The way I understand it, the point was to not give any publicity to these people and their hateful game, as how well the game does is entirely reliant on controversy. Without the controversy, it would just be another mediocre game no one discusses. There are hundreds of these.
Plus, these guys have already a hate group of angry idiots doing their viral marketing, no need for GAF there.
ElBoxyBrown
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Didn't the devs respond back to this on polygon? I'm pretty sure they did an article on this. Also off topic but that is the same blog that complained about the South Park game having an achievement that references the KKK. There very nit picky most of the time.
-MD-
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If the game is fun sure.
Lalalandia
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Really? So if ISIL releases a really good MOBA you're down for that?
MagnoSauce
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claims that the developers have neo-nazi connections have been discredited. It'd be great if we could keep criticism in the realm of facts.
thegirlleastlikelyto
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Apparently the ESRB agrees
Brutalitops
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No because I dislike MOBAs.
If ISIL happened to make an Uncharted game, I'd buy it.
Riposte
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I think it's highly questionable that they (especially "they") are neo-nazis from what I've seen. At most you can say that have conservative beliefs that approach very right-wing and even that may be more of an assumption than anything.
Pure coincidence, but have you ever seen the original logo of Outer Heaven? lol
Lalalandia
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No they've been pretty well documented actually. Hell the main devs unlikely explanation of liking a post from one of these polish far right groups was that they had great insight on the middle east.
anyone have the link to that Kotaku article that talked about this with a Polish expert on the far right? On the phone and I can't find it at the moment.
The problem that many people have with this title is that the only goal is to cause as much physical harm to other individuals as possible. There is no story, they aren't "bad guys" or zombies, and there is no core goal outside of killing people. It's a fairly disgusting game, and it's one that sets the medium back 20 years. In light of past and recent events (Columbine, 9/11, School Shootings, mass executions in the Middle East, Charlie Hebdo) this doesn't need to exist.
At best this satisfies certain individuals hunger to thrill kill, and at worse it can be used to "train" someone mentally to pull off a similar attack. I am all for violence in games, but not this shit.
At best this satisfies certain individuals hunger to thrill kill, and at worse it can be used to "train" someone mentally to pull off a similar attack. I am all for violence in games, but not this shit.
Air Zombie Meat
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Manhunt provided context for your actions at least and Postal wasn't as serious about it's violence I suppose.
I'm not. All the gamergate stuff has stirred up a lot of discussion about this subject.
jakonovski
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This is going on a weird tangent, but I can't see this going anywhere except the inevitable question, is art objective. At which point it all becomes very ironic.
As far as the game goes, I can't summon the effort to get worked up over it. Would be nice to see how Gaffers react though, IMO it's not worth it to worry about any publicity the devs might nor might not get.
Never heard of it, this sounds horrible.
I am starting to see why the discussion is banned.
Wait, doesn't the beloved Nathan Drake also kill all sorts of minorities in his games?
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