So, it's like trying to have sex when you're 13 and your parents are religious or something, except it stays like that well into your adult life?
Nearly 50 per cent of Japanese adults 'not having sex'
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So, it's like trying to have sex when you're 13 and your parents are religious or something, except it stays like that well into your adult life?
LUFTRAUSER
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Why wouldn't we?
Are you serious?
Really? Because literally everything else I've read about Japan says otherwise. They even censor porn!
This is not conducive to population growth. And I'm not even sure it is accurate.
Eh not really. The parents don't discourage it, it's just never comfortable to talk about it. My GF lives with her parents, well sometimes, and her parents found out we were even dating by her Mom coming up to greet her and found that the door to the room I was in was locked.
Mom was like, wtf for a second.
Dad was like... *ahem* and looked at a paper or something I dunno.
Her dog is the only honest one in family and will try to protect her from having sex (lol). I imagine more is like that from the stories I have heard from other women, that basically it would be rude to bring someone over to have sex because the hospitality would be to get them breakfast if they stay over and treat them as guests etc.
Isn't it like 3% in the US?
My point is they lie on the damn survey. That stat is laughable, I can not count how many times I was approached by women in Japan and her opening line is "What do you think of having mistress?" When I first arrived they assigned a girl to help with shit, kind of like an informal secretary, she worked there too but she was expected to help me with day to day life. She straight up asked me not to deny that she is my mistress if the guys joke with me about it. It was assumed she would be and it would make it much easier for me to be accepted if everyone thought she was. This was ten years ago but no way it has changed that much.
...and whats the story?
You are completely talking out of your ass, lol. Have you ever even talked to a real person unescorted by your girlfriend?
Fenderputty
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50% of the three 3% were doing anal to say they're still virgins too.
Increasing population and sex are not the same thing. I am no t denying they have a declining population. They also have issues that women are not interested in conventional relationships that they stay home and a man works all the time. Sex thought is a different matter entirely.
I'm new be nice
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Quick someone get that Gif of that dude with his DS
Too lewd for GAF I think
Birth-rate in last 50 years has declined drastically across the entire world (including the "undeveloped" countries)Sho_Nuff82 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA5BM7CE5-8#t=594
You can still try and correlate this with each individual culture-issues - but that just means basically every culture in the world has them.
Anyway, according to CIA, Japan birth-rate in 2014 was 1.4, which is nearly double the lowest in the world, so they still have some-ways to decline I guess.
That's what my last paragraph is, me buying condoms alone. It doesn't always happen, but it can happen and it's not the same as the UK, which is my point.
So you refute the survey based on your experience with a slut? Sorry, a few sluts.
MWS Natural
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I think the US actually works more hours per year?
King Cobra
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Working hard tends to change your priorities. To be honest sex is overrated and it complicates things.
That is quite depressing =(
It is a different world and that is exactly what am I talking about as a society things are secret publicly they censor porn like its too dirty. Yet at the same time there are love hotels everywhere, but women have to wear a hat and cover there face when they go in. They are just way more secretive publicly about shit but everyone knows anyway its very weird.
I dunno. They have love hotels for sure, but not everywhere. Only at certain spots in the big cities. We are talking about Japan as WHOLE here.
whatever77
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Did you skip all the ME countries? Iran? Saudi Arabia? Egypt?
They are in no way "sluts", it is just culturally different than western society. You do realize the definition of a slut in the form you are using is a women that does something to another person you wished she did to you.
I refute the survey based on spending time in the culture and having a basic understanding of how they act.
That guy you're replying to is obviously a bit of an idiot with a comment like that, but there's a decent point in there somewhere. With the sheer amount of deai cafe, websites, speed dating, unofficial hook up bars for every age/type/gender/race imaginable that are frequented by thousands of girls each day - girls who otherwise work in anything from KFC to Sony - says something is really off with the 'no one is having sex' angle. And I think the foreign press seems to regularly mistake 'no one talks about having sex with friends,' which is a cultural quirk, with that.
And that's without even considering the massive sex industry and the grey-line prostitution that goes on in the places mentioned before.
Oh for the love of god.
JAPAN. The entirety, all of the country sides and prefectures.
It really sounds like you are only talking about yourself, who well, was a foreigner in Tokyo.
Everyone isn't fucking secretly. You seem to think that they are all secretly doing so, like just for the sake of it.
Conduct your own survey. This isn't the only one they have done. They also had something like 50% of High School Graduates were virgins or something.
Some of these surveys were done through Japanese government.
Also the place is massively overpacked. Even if there were a million a night having secret sex that's hardly refuting the survey. From the lack of babies I am pretty sure condom distrubuters would be able to say otherwise.
Shouta
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Sex is not taboo in Japanese culture. It's frowned up to show affection in public but that's not because sex is bad but because of other cultural elements. The current situation has more to do with the social, work, and financial climate in the country than it does with their attitudes toward sex.
ElectricKaibutsu
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14 hour work days will do that.
Well not sex itself. But talk of it is. Even couples will refuse to say the true names for their "parts" according to certain places. And well I guess I can't speak for me than a handful of cases, but it has been true so far.
How does the financial climent affect sex? Working class in other countries fuck like rabits and Japan is without a class system.
I know some of my friends and even uncle and aunts who only have sex when they want to conceive a child. I can't imagine myself lasting a month without sex.
YesNOnoNOYes
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I get so uncomfortable in threads like this .___.
Um. Why do we care so much about this? BTW?
And why do we want so badly to explain it to ourselves with a lot of anecdata and various and different biased personal accounts.... >___<
Personally, I still think we need comparison with other countries if we are going to talk about this in terms of statistical findings. IDK
Ugh. Nevermind me. I'm just not having a particularly lucid day to parse these kinds of threads.
OG_Original Gamer
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Does that mean lotion and kleenex sales are on record highs in Japan?
Shouta
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I dunno, that's probably just in your experience. I've had pretty frank talks about it from teens to old people while I was over there. However, I did live in the countryside where it's pretty different than it is in the cities. Every couple I knew had at least 2-3 kids, heh.
Perception of the financial climate makes people more focused on money, unwilling to spend it on each other, unwilling to take time off as necessary, etc etc. There are social elements to it but making a living is often on the radar for everyone there, especially with the cost of raising kids there.
Messofanego
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I don't want to assume, but are you American?
At least the point I want to make is that every now and then I will overhear a conversation about people who work with foreigners and sometimes, foreign boyfriends. I have been on enough double dates that it seems that it is pretty common.
In my honest experience almost every Japanese girl that I spoke with was able to talk about sex very freely. I think the issue is them starting the conversation, and they act different when it is not with foreigners. I get the feeling that foreigners in Japan get the same reaction as when Japanese women go overseas.
Amongst themselves, with all of their peers knowing each other and such, I think there are, like this survey suggests, a great number of girls who don't involve themselves in discussions.
But television from Japanorama to news on that "Manko boat" chick suggest that they aren't really up for straight discussions. Sexual references are part of so many normal conversations in school and Uni in the UK. If that does happen in Japan I would imagine it is done amongst gender groups, but that's just what I imagine.
Regular TV there is always really repressive when it comes to sex. Even shows which have an episode all about love hotels it never ever shown.
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I dunno, Japan just seems very Victorian.
And not in the good way.
Dirtyshubb
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Me and the wife watched a netflix documentary about japanese love hotels being shut down and changed which seems more likely to have an effect on couples sex lives. Basically because of such small living accommodations, millions of couples would go to special hotels to have sex. Many are themed but they are basically normal hotels for couples.
Problem is the conservative government started cracking down on them, forcing them to change and shutting lots down. So now the couples have no where to go to be together with any sort of privacy.
Of course there are other reasons too for the decline but it's not as simple as 'they are all into anime' or that they are working top much.
Problem is the conservative government started cracking down on them, forcing them to change and shutting lots down. So now the couples have no where to go to be together with any sort of privacy.
Of course there are other reasons too for the decline but it's not as simple as 'they are all into anime' or that they are working top much.
Shouta
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Yeah, I'm American.
Most of the conversations I walked into rather than in a direct conversation with me. So it's not just because I'm non-Japanese as they were talking among themselves at that point. I do look like I visually fit in though, Asian + Japanese speaking helps, so random izakaya conversations got interesting after talking about all that and then saying my obviously foreign name, heh.
Yeah the otaku waifu thing is the effect to a different problem.
To be honest Akihabara gives such a horrible vibe, as do almost all print ads for Girls clubs. I think British people would feel the same in Tokyo. When girls are speaking super high pitched and young girls in maid outfits are trying to direct me places, the last thing I think about is sex. It's a massive turn off alone.
I did notice a shit lot less love hotels though over the years. Like last time I didn't even see one.
Well, the point of talking about sex being a taboo and all that isn't about them not wanting to have sex. Clearly the girls are just a horny and the guys are too. But in Japan when they go through school, cram school, University and into work, it's the people they are going to be with for the next few days ends up being their only peers.
In clubs, even cafes there is a stereotype that it is easy to pick up girls there. It's because they're not taken. It's not just about the girls but I think the bigger issue is that the guys aren't at all aggressive. This is just what I have heard.
Being British and working in mostly Japanese restaurants in London, the Japanese girls I meet here all have this conversation about how in Japan the guys just never ask girls out.
I have a bunch of friends who come back from a trip and try to compare their experiences and they all say the same as you.
But if you look at forums and whatever there are western girls who go to Japan and find it massively hard to be in a relationship because the Men are apparently all passive.
I don't think this has anything to do with the people, and through the POV of a foreigner I think the girls feel a lot safer to express themselves. That's my guess.
Crash Station
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Don't want to change anyone's lifestyle. If you don't want sex, great. But seriously, you guys need to be doing SOMETHING so your country of awesome shit doesn't die out.
Is it true that Japanese work culture involves working insane hours, and then going out to drink with coworkers for a few more hours every day after work?
If that's true, then I'd understand being too tired to do anything afterwards. Doing that day in and day out must be so fucking draining.
If that's true, then I'd understand being too tired to do anything afterwards. Doing that day in and day out must be so fucking draining.
man took to long, GAF you slipping
I get so uncomfortable in threads like this .___.
Um. Why do we care so much about this? BTW?
And why do we want so badly to explain it to ourselves with a lot of anecdata and various and different biased personal accounts.... >___<
Personally, I still think we need comparison with other countries if we are going to talk about this in terms of statistical findings. IDK
Ugh. Nevermind me. I'm just not having a particularly lucid day to parse these kinds of threads.
Because it makes Japan more alluring to Westerners and attracting foreigners to think they have a chance to save the country from such a devastating crisis.
Don't they consume the most alcohol in the world per capita? Or is that still the UK?
I can't imagine they do, I know when we went out drinking we would basically organize shift to meet new people every couple hours. They really have a different tolerance, they can only drink for a couple hours before they are done.
A Human Becoming
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Sounds like you man.
While this is about sex, not reproducing, the two are obviously intertwined, so here's a chart showing how the workforce population is expected to change due to the lowering birth rates. It's not as bad as I expected. South Korea seems to be in worse shape.
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