Just checked this, damn whoa UK isn't even in the top ten let alone Japan.
Nearly 50 per cent of Japanese adults 'not having sex'
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Just checked this, damn whoa UK isn't even in the top ten let alone Japan.
My bet is Eastern Europe, Russia spent time there too and those boys can drink.
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What in the world? You can find them at probably every single convenience store in the country, not to mention drug stores, which are also abundant.
Psychotext
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Pretty much. Between work, exercise and other things the wife and I will generally see each other for maybe 2 hours a day, if that. We go to sleep at different times too so by the time I go to bed she's long asleep anyway.
So yeah, not really surprised by a country known for being full of workaholics.
whatever77
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Guys, being open to the subject of sex has nothing to do with birth rate. Look at the European countries; look at Iran. One thing has nothing to do with the other thing.
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Izunadono, you're spreading a lot of bullshit in this thread that seems to be entirely based off your own warped experiences in Japan, but that's not surprising considering your other threads. It would take too long to pick apart each post, but I just want to say that your views on the matter probably are not shared by many other people out there. Probably because they are wrong for the most part.
Exactly. I get home at 930pm, I need to make dinner and take a shower before I go to bed. When I finally lay down I'm too exhausted for sex and just want to try and get a good night's sleep
BotoxAgent
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lol dafuq? source?
Convenience stores, MUJI, Matsumoto Kiyoshi/CREATE, I've bought condoms from all over the place. J condoms are shitty and small (and expensive) but they are widely available.
terrisus
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lmao
I'm not sure I buy the thing about working hours. From my time working in London it was exactly the same as Japan (at least in the finance and tech industries), and from talking to people in New York, Singapore, China and Hong Kong it's the same in all of those places too. Yet they don't seem to have the 'problem' described. If anything the people working that hard have more sex to stop themselves contemplating suicide from the pressure.
Seriously lol. Every single Family Mart I've ever been to sells those stupid benetton condoms at the very least - not hard to find at all. Just like anywhere else in the world.
gutter_trash
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all work and no play
this is what happens when a society pushes LIVE TO WORK too far
this is what happens when a society pushes LIVE TO WORK too far
Finance and tech jobs have long working hours all over though. I know people in creative and secretarial jobs who work their hands to the bone every day.
terrisus
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"Not having sex" != "Never had sex"
IsntChrisL
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Sometimes peer pressure can secure the future of your country.
Messofanego
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Perfection.
That's true. Seeing the HR office still half full at 7pm is always insane to me. Especially because from talking to a girl there I know they're doing fuck all - just waiting for the manager to leave. I think that's where the cultural problem is. Not that people are working too hard, but the expectation to leave -after- the guy (and it's always a guy) who is working too hard.
If the thought depicted above is more prevalent in Japan than in a western country, then the negative connotations associated with virginity will be proportional, don't you think?
Sounds like you man.
While this is about sex, not reproducing, the two are obviously intertwined, so here's a chart showing how the workforce population is expected to change due to the lowering birth rates. It's not as bad as I expected. South Korea seems to be in worse shape.
The fuck is going on with Brazil?
terrisus
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Yeah that's real bullshit for sure. My fiancé works for a conference planning company and had to deal with the same thing. She got home at 1130 last night =/
IsntChrisL
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Of course. That definitely sounds like a serious statement.
No, it's an exaggeration, but clearly Japan needs to start having more sex.
Brofist
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More like bailout.gif
Its not like it's a country of virgins waiting to get plucked. People are just not interested. Fly that plane to a country where people actually want to have sex.
Sad state of affairs.
This excellent BBC documentary looks at the various causes of the problem. Really excellent piece.
http://vimeo.com/80542212 (Sorry if beaten)
Haven't watched it since release but there is quite a lot about how Japanese women just aren't interested in the Japanese men's culture. The men place their interests elsewhere. To the extent that, possibly, the society is so conservative on the whole that nobody touches on the subject. (Crazy side note: older people in prisons becoming a real problem. The population is greying rapidly.)
Edit: ha, maxcriden, weird
This excellent BBC documentary looks at the various causes of the problem. Really excellent piece.
http://vimeo.com/80542212 (Sorry if beaten)
Haven't watched it since release but there is quite a lot about how Japanese women just aren't interested in the Japanese men's culture. The men place their interests elsewhere. To the extent that, possibly, the society is so conservative on the whole that nobody touches on the subject. (Crazy side note: older people in prisons becoming a real problem. The population is greying rapidly.)
Edit: ha, maxcriden, weird
Here's a really great documentary I saw on the subject thanks to GAF's recommendation, it's called "No Sex Please, We're Japanese":
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=706995
Link to documentary:
http://vimeo.com/80542212
ETA: SomTervo and I are on the same wavelength!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=706995
Link to documentary:
http://vimeo.com/80542212
ETA: SomTervo and I are on the same wavelength!
akachan ningen
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Birth control?
LUFTRAUSER
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I get so uncomfortable in threads like this .___.
Um. Why do we care so much about this? BTW?
And why do we want so badly to explain it to ourselves with a lot of anecdata and various and different biased personal accounts.... >___<
Personally, I still think we need comparison with other countries if we are going to talk about this in terms of statistical findings. IDK
Ugh. Nevermind me. I'm just not having a particularly lucid day to parse these kinds of threads.
We care about this because Japan is, theoretically, a "perfect" society.
Japan is technologically advanced.
Japan is politically democratic.
Japan is highly educated.
Japan is ideologically homogeneous.
Japan is economically stable.
Japan is the very picture of what a first world country aspires to be, and yet it would seem that Japan, as a country, as a culture, as a nation... has lost the will to live.
Japan is a potential harbinger of what other first-world nations could face in the future, and that's not good. Countries have failed because of war, or famine, or political catastrophe, but for a country to fall apart because the people simply aren't having kids?
It has never happened before in the history of humanity. It is inconceivable.
Ha! Listen. Most "Westerners" that aren't otakus don't give a flying fuck about Japan, and the country itself has made sure things stay that way. Japan is so xenophobic, so obsessed with cultural purity, that it cannot see what is wrong with itself. Even if "Westerners" wanted to help, Japan wouldn't care.
The only time I see Japan mentioned in the news is in regards to companies like Toyota or Sony, and those are so globalized that there is nothing particularly Japanese about them anymore. Japanese culture itself is completely irrelevant politically, and Japan's main contribution to geopolitics is that it hosts US military bases.
And to be totally honest, I don't care if Japan dies. Whenever I see Japan mentioned outside of news media, like on NeoGAF, it is always negative: that Japan is dying, that it's racist, that it's perverted, that it's nationalistic...
I guess Japan would rather die than admit it's wrong. But then, that's Japanese culture.
This is why I like being an American. It's true: we don't have our own language, we don't have many centuries of history to look back on, we are not a nation in the true sense of the word, and we seem crazy and uncivilized to most other countries, but there is a vitality to that. America has people from all over the world and many different cultures, and we are constantly in a flux, free to try any new thing we want. It's shallow, and at times, America seems almost unstable or uncaring due to how nebulous it is, but...
I'd rather be cast adrift, without a real culture or identity and free to define myself than be chained to centuries of ridiculous cultural traditions that has apparently reduced an entire country into something more resembling a giant machine that is slowly winding down than a human civilization. Without adversity there is no point in living.
EDIT: Sorry about the salt, but as someone who grew up in the United States, I dislike seeing people, usually otakus for that matter, constantly defending a country with a culture that is pretty much the exact opposite of everything the immigrant-created "American Dream" culture of the United States represents.
YesNOnoNOYes
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... idk sounds like a lot of idolizing somethingsomething based on some skewed perceptions. all humans and all countries/ cultures have their good and bad points. Japan probably has a lot of good points... but I'm not sure if I would frame it as "Japan is the very picture of what a first world country aspires to be"
... Sweden might closer to it, in my book. Though I do not put Sweden on any pedestal the way some people put Japan on.
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I could be mistaken, but it seems to me there's this weird "no dating culture" going on. I have a bunch of Japanese friends who straight up have no interest in dating whatsoever.
One time it actually pissed me off because this one girl I liked (who is super cool and pretty) liked my friend, but he wanted nothing to do with her. No reason other than he didn't want to date.
One time it actually pissed me off because this one girl I liked (who is super cool and pretty) liked my friend, but he wanted nothing to do with her. No reason other than he didn't want to date.
Sounds like you man.
While this is about sex, not reproducing, the two are obviously intertwined, so here's a chart showing how the workforce population is expected to change due to the lowering birth rates. It's not as bad as I expected. South Korea seems to be in worse shape.
If anything, it's Brazil that's got it worse. South Korea just comes in 2nd, followed by Russia, then Germany.
Crash Station
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Well that seems overly harsh. I just want to play more Danganronpa >_>
LUFTRAUSER
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My point was that, based on statistically analysis and political theory, Japan should be one of the best countries in the world to live in. Yet, the reality is that is apparently not the case. This suggests that there is either some problems with the way modern countries are developing, or Japanese culture is detrimental to the country.
The fact that anyone puts Japan on a pedestal for any reason bothers me. Sweden is a nicer country, culturally, but I feel like the EU is poorly conceived. Europe will never be able to have the level of cohesion that United States does, but if the alternative to EU membership is for a country to become so homogeneous it ends up like Japan, then that could be a problem.
As a Political Science student, this is pretty important to me, as I read a lot international news and the prevailing opinion I get is that a lot of Europeans don't like immigration and want to be more homogeneous, but the fact that Japan is the way it is suggests homogeneity is overrated, and perhaps even ill-conceived. I think that diversity is good for society, so seeing Japan's decline merely serves to cement those beliefs.
This kind of mentality is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Japan has centuries of history and a very developed, unique culture, and what do people care about, if they can be said to care at all? Videogames and cartoons.
But you know what? Fine. I don't have anything else to say about this. I'll respond if you quote, but my opinions are already pretty clear. I only play Western games, I don't watch anime or read manga, and all the computer hardware and other export products I own were made by American or Chinese companies. For all practical purposes, Japan does not even exist to me, and I'm just going to forget about it.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Oh, you are a polsci student *nodsnods
I dont know if there are any one underlying factor with Japanese decline in terms of population growth, but maybe it's a mixture of variables ... but people seem to be eager to come up with a lot of simplified anecdata to explain away Japan's current condition. It seems borderline obsessive, at times.
Anyway, you probably have studied it in greater depths, in terms of surveys and data, so I will defer that side of things to you :3
As for your comment about EU: "Europe will never be able to have the level of cohesion that United States does" ...I do not know enough about European countries cohesiveness but America seems to be a strange country to compare it to? Not sure if its apple to apple, is all?
Edit: agree on bolded part!
Robots will fix it.
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Wow, man. You are so full of yourself. That American arrogance...
I'm an American, too, by the way.
LUFTRAUSER
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Exactly. That's why it's strange to see the European Union becoming more and more integrated over time, slowing changing into some kind of bizarro version of the Federal system in the United States. However, this thread is not about the EU, so I'm not going to say anything more about it.
Japan is dying. Literally. I... I really don't see what's arrogant here.
... Really?
I don't really think "putting any country on a pedestal", that is just to say liking or prefering nation/culture X, is inherently bad as long as one is doing for real reasons (i.e. not just because they enjoy the entertain products they produce). We all have our preferences and tolerances about what we can/are willing/want to put up with and what we can't/won't put up with as every country and culture has its good points and bad points.
As for comicblizzard, I'm pretty sure he just doesn't want the nation to sink into the sea (or the equivalent) because he likes the entertainment media they produce, not because he thinks the country/culture is any "better" than his own (I assume the US)
As for comicblizzard, I'm pretty sure he just doesn't want the nation to sink into the sea (or the equivalent) because he likes the entertainment media they produce, not because he thinks the country/culture is any "better" than his own (I assume the US)
He's got a Japanese girlfriend and has visited a few times so he's an expert on Japanese culture - don't question man.
I think that's just a troll. Wouldn't bother with them really.
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It's really not, though.
I mean, sure, the population is on the decline, but it's entirely possible that the post war population boom was what was "unnatural" and now it's just self regulating. Having 130 million people in such a small country may not have been the best idea. There may be more hard times ahead, but it's not like the country is just going to stop reproducing. There will be a point where it stabilizes and maybe even rises again.
Rabbi_Vole
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I'm guessing it's the top 50%
LUFTRAUSER
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This thread is just... I've seen stats, studies, articles, essays, documentaries, etc. on Japan, and my opinions are criticized by people that have simply visited Japan a few times, or even worse, think that because they play Japanese games and watch anime they are suddenly an authority.
I don't even know how to respond.
I don't think you understand. The issue isn't that reproduction in Japan will totally cease, and it never has been. The issue is that the reproduction rate is below replacement capacity, and it is slowing down. Do you know anything about demographics? Can you tell me the fertility rate? Do you know what a population pyramid is? Because I get the impression that you are just making stuff up.
Unless something serious happens, this will only get worse. There are no projections for the scenario you described.
YesNOnoNOYes
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This is what I feel too. But I know little in terms of legitimate studies and whatnot. I'm only speaking emotionally, because I'm half Japanese, so it might not count in terms of ... uh real statistical terms.
But I feel as if this may be a phase that Japan is going through. And that it will figure things out eventually.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here. You might want to have a re-read of the quotes in the chain and who I was talking about, because you've clearly misinterpreted something. But I'll give you a hint: it wasn't myself or you..
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