maniac-kun
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Anita Sarkeesian shows what one week of harassment directed at her looks like
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CambriaRising
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This shit makes my heart hurt.
Masked Man
I said wow
Absolutely deplorable. It sickens me that people think it's okay to say these kinds of things behind the veil of pseudo-anonymity. And that CoD girl trashing Anita pisses me off, too. "That's gamer culture, just deal with it" isn't an excuse for this kind of filth, and I'm angry that this girl is endorsing it.
What the fuck?
Gaming is also about rivalry and elitism. It's like, sure, your are a newbie in wow or eve online, that's nice, but that doesn't get you into Method or Pandemic Legion, respectively.
Prejudice against female gamers just because of being female has a long history in online gaming, you can say almost 2 generations of gamers.
Reading through more of those responses, I feel bad sometimes when I see stuff like this and begin laughing because it passes some threshold of "there are real people like this out there" and into some void where the names and faces become Looney Tunes-esque caricature. How can so many people be so vile over something like this seriously?
This is what i came here to say essentially, i may not agree with her 100% but the shit she has to deal with is ridiculous.
My personal views on Sarkeesian's handling of these issues aside, i don't think that these tweets make her any more of a victim than anyone else who faces death threats. If your a celebrity making money off of this culture and industry, its something you have to expect.
Its bad, but its just something that's going to happen.
Of course. Its absolutely unacceptable.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Man if you're losing in faith in humanity just now after seeing losers be losers on twitter, not reading horrific stories about war or slavery and all the things that have happened in human history, I don't know what to tell you.
I don't think anyone really deserves this kind of harassment but honestly I can't even take this shit seriously. Keyboard warriors are not scary people.
It's kinda amazing though how she gets this shit seemingly more than anyone who is actually actively screwing humanity over. That or she's just more open about it.
Midnight Bliss
Member
The people who send her this kinda stuff because they don't like what she does, only further allow her to garner support. Isn't this how it all began anyways?
Those who don't like what she does have no one to blame but themselves for the progress she's making. When she shares stuff like this it's very easy to want to show sympathy for her even if you don't agree with what she does.
Those who don't like what she does have no one to blame but themselves for the progress she's making. When she shares stuff like this it's very easy to want to show sympathy for her even if you don't agree with what she does.
Astral Dog
Member
Is she the one that made that Bayonetta video? its obvious she never played, or just barely watched the game to argument the context, its kinda hard to take her seriously if she is not willing to do basic research.
Do her other videos also do this, or she has much better arguments?
(i could not find the other thread so i posted this here, the comments on twitter are awful,if this doesnt belong here i will remove it later)
Do her other videos also do this, or she has much better arguments?
(i could not find the other thread so i posted this here, the comments on twitter are awful,if this doesnt belong here i will remove it later)
I feel like a lot of these post are either from children or massive trolls. I find it really hard to believe a reasonable human being with normal intelligence would be capable of posting these messages. I don't know how anyone could consider them threatening when most of them are so obviously insincere.
Just skip past the part where people threaten to rape and murder her because you think she didn't play Bayonetta. Mmkay.
StarStabbedMoon
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Nope
thelastcrusader
Banned
I don't take it personally just some people are using this as a reason to fund her and while I get it, I still wouldn't as I don't believe she has done enough since her last kickstarter. Also I called it out because a user above me had called out men and the reality is that it isn't just men attacking her.
call_kotaku
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If gamergate has shown us anything, it's that these people are indeed sincere. The fact that they'll use their real names to post absolute drivel or participate in what's widely acknowledged as a hate group, and all of it in public, shows that they aren't anonymous trolls.
Unless the fact that there are people who sincerely believe this sort of ridiculous horseshit is some sort of meta-troll
Conor_Fool
Banned
Uhg, I said some pretty disgusting shit like this when I was ~12 years old. I am going on 22 and am still ashamed of what a troll I used to be. I can only hope a lot of those posts are from stupid ass kids like I was that will soon realize how big of pieces of shit they are.
Some of these are so fucked up I can't help laughing, are these people for real?
That probably isn't a serious attempt at a death threat, no. But it's fair to assume that it comes from someone who doesn't think death threats are a big deal.
It's because they don't even want a discussion. So the only way to try to get it to stop, is to try to shout people down, and harass people until they break down and give up. If these people actually disagreed with her, then they could have debated the issues they don't agree on.
Sadly, I wish Anita didn't take the no discussion approach. The there is no room for debate on certain tropes or issues. That these ARE in fact 100% misogynistic. Her brand of criticism alienates and only gets people angry that don't agree. Because the reality is:
I. Not all feminists agree on the same things. That is important. So discussion is a good thing. And conversely, not all people agree on the same things.
II. The industry has a lot of people that are ignorant, due to a lack of knowing about these issues/problems.
III. A lot of people in the industry don't see the problems, because they are used to years and years of things being one way, so they are used to things being a certain way.
So your goal is then to, educate these people as to why these issues are a problem. Why they matter. Why you think the industry has to change. But if your approach is: this is 100% misogynistic. And there is no room for debate. You've already cut off feminists and people that might not agree with you (and by not allowing them to discuss it, they now view you as someone that is beyond reason, and not willing to have a conversation). You upset those that are used to things having been that way for years years. Who are now being told the things they like or the things they do are 100% misogynistic. And you turn off those that have not yet been educated on it, because they might not always agree 1:1 with what you are saying (even if they might see your points on some things).
Basically, the approach is very problematic. I'm not a fan of it. And I think moving forward, those in games media and those that are activists, really need to start re-thinking how they are pushing these messages. Because I think they have been alienating to certain degrees.
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All this said, when you have insane psychos that are not civil. When you consider that, just being female and speaking out about issues you have (regardless how you say it), you are by default going to get harassed and threatened. Well, I can't be too critical of they approach these things. But I personally don't think it's the right way to go about it. So this isn't a condemnation of Anita (I personally do not agree with some of her views, and I don't like her approach tbh. But I know the kind of shit she goes through, so I try not to be judgmental on how she approaches this, given the amount of shit she was going to get regardless just for speaking out). But I do look at like, Kotaku offering to have a counter argument editorial to her (where she would participate, and reply back to the counter argument). This would be 100% civil and a closed forum w/ civil people. And she declined. So eh. Based on what I've read of her (and interviews), I don't think she would have ever been open to discussion. Even if there was no psychos and trolls.
Sylverstone14
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I may not be the biggest proponent of Anita Sarkeesian, but this... this is some disturbing content.
Actual celebrities get death threat-ed and stalked all the time. In that circumstance, no its not unexpected. Heck, you don't even have to be particularly popular for that. It comes with the territory of being known by all sorts. Which was my point.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Some of the most vocal proponents are all about using their real names. They've found a way to successfully monetize hate (not surprising when the hate group is based around crass consumerism) and are mostly adults with families, in some cases daughters of their own. They're crafty enough not to tweet anything as blatantly vile as these tweets, but are more than happy to lean back while the people that follow them do. These tweets are like random Facebook commenters, and the proponents are the sparkling Sarah Palins in their profiles.
I don't think I ever did anything on this level, but I was certainly capable of being a huge asshole when I was twelve. At that age, it's hard to keep it in perspective that the people who are communicating with online are human beings. You really need someone who is more responsible than yourself to drill it into you, someone who can get your respect.
Same here, I already have one foot out the proverbial door with this industry, and the longer this continues, the less I want to do with this industry.
Lol this guy hahaha
Amazing.
Edit: Went to that guys twitter, it's not a troll. Even more amazing that someone exists who said that in seriousness.
Honestly I think the whole fem thing going on is unnecessary and don't really follow it. That said, the reactions are ridiculous. Just ignore them if you disagree, don't go and insult people.
call_kotaku
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Just seeing some of these comments (and stuff from Gamergate or Ferguson) with people's real names and real pictures, all of which can easily be found with a simple google search by a future employer, is just incredibly eye-rolling to me. There's a generation of people who grew up thinking that being an asshole on the internet (and in real life I guess) has zero consequences
Don't let a bunch of clowns stop you if gaming brings enjoyment. Racist and this girls vs boys garbage wont stop my fun. The medium will continue to mature. Don't want my games full of Duke Nukem or Tess clones.
And now they're faced with the harsh reality that being a jerk on the internet has zero consequences... most of the time.
B-b-but it's about ethics in games journalisms!
She didn't play Bayonetta properly, therefore her opinion is invalid and she deserves to be raped and murdered.
Just think about it this way: not only did she not play Bayonetta to the correct standard she's also out there right now having sex with men who might be journalists or game developers using her actual vagina. If that's not worthy of her getting cancer I don't know what is.
We can't get ethics in games journalisms if these women are allowed to say things we don't like or have breasts like the ones whores do.
GamerGate...where gamers don't care that half of their fellow gamers get harassed daily and can't enjoy their hobby the same way they do. Give me a break.
Y'know, if you hadn't smashed the reply button so quickly you might have picked up on the undercurrent of sarcasm in that post.
DannyDanger
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While i agree these threats are scummy
It's the internet, ppl say and do things that they'd never do irl
internet harassment is no big deal imo, just ignore it (unless its a dox)
with that being said, i had no choice but to chuckle when i read this:
It's the internet, ppl say and do things that they'd never do irl
internet harassment is no big deal imo, just ignore it (unless its a dox)
with that being said, i had no choice but to chuckle when i read this:
LegalEagleMike
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I picked up on it but you might want to be careful. some accounts have been shut down on this thread and I cant say the mods will see it as well as I did. Since im super smart u know
I actually was not disagreeing with you. I was adding on to your comment and knew it was sarcasm. Saw your post, agreed with it. So added my own post to also agree with the ridiculousness of the movement that you pointed out.
I picked up on it but you might want to be careful. some accounts have been shut down on this thread and I cant say the mods will see it as well as I did. Since im super smart u know
But I knew it was sarcasm. I was just agreeing and adding on to what he said. Sometimes it's hard to tell when someone is agreeing and adding another comment on top of a comment they agree with. Maybe I should have said "yeah, agreed lol". Then put my comment below.
I guess he thinks I was smashing the reply button to criticize him though. lol *shrugs*
I can't win!
I picked up on it but you might want to be careful. some accounts have been shut down on this thread and I cant say the mods will see it as well as I did. Since im super smart u know
It was obvious to me.
As it was me.
EDIT: I guess the give me a break seems like it was aimed at him. Should have left that out. Oh well.
Spot on, matching my opinion of the situation completely.
Yeah, I've actually been going down the list to find out that some of these people are Gamergaters. Others just genuinely hate feminism, women and Anita especially. Many have linked to videos featuring her on ABC and to boycott ABC and Anita.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I mean the first line was "B-b-but it's about ethics"
pretty obvious.
also going to start taking a shot for each person who says "they're just threats on the net" or some variant
pretty obvious.
also going to start taking a shot for each person who says "they're just threats on the net" or some variant
LegalEagleMike
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glad to hear it! Would not want any innocents to be cast down.
It was obvious and I don't even know how anyone could miss that it was a negative criticism of GamerGate. So much so, I'm kind of baffled as to why my negative remark about them was taken as not understanding his remark was sarcasm.
I need to learn how to post better.
EDIT: I realized it was the "give me a break at the end". I am really sorry if my post came off as criticizing or not understanding. I'll do a better job in the future, when I try to riff off someone (or try to be clever by agreeing with a comment, and make a follow up comment on top of it). Sorry again.
There are a lot of issues I strongly agree with. A lot of things that I really think need to change in this industry. And even I see articles written on some sites, or ways messages are being pushed (that I agree with), and I just think the way it's being presented is wrong. My hope is that, after all this bullshit clears out (who knows if it ever will), hopefully the industry as a whole can start doing better at talking about these issues.
The reality is, there are a lot of people in this industry who simply don't agree with every issue. Or who aren't educated. And these people are going to have to come over at some time. They are going to have to come around. Progress will eventually catch up. But I don't think beating people over the head, telling people it's 100% this way, and there is no room for debate. I don't think that will get us moving in that direction any quicker.
It's funny, because these people act like the person being threatened should take the risk of assuming they are just empty threats. Like, their life should just be lived without fear. Even if these are internet threats, they are still fuckin threats. Why are these people focusing on the victims having to curve their life style (don't go on twitter, don't be afraid of the threats)...rather than focus on the people that making the threats.
Common sense/physical logic that is actually victim blaming?
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Why not contact their mummies? That will solve everything.
Best thing would be to forward all these tweets to these kids' parents.
Sometimes I dream of controlled internet. A virtual id for every user, just like passports, that you need to provide every time before creating an account or posting anything to the internet. Only one such account for your lifetime. Shit like this would stop.
Sometimes I dream of controlled internet. A virtual id for every user, just like passports, that you need to provide every time before creating an account or posting anything to the internet. Only one such account for your lifetime. Shit like this would stop.
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