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ARROW Season 3 |OT| Welcome to the New Age

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Nice to see we were right about (spoilers for next episode based on a scene posted on Facebook)
Brick being responsible for Malcolm's wife's murder.

No one knows that Malcolm put cameras in their lair? Also, Malcolm sits around all day just watching them work?
 
Nice to see we were right about (spoilers for next episode based on a scene posted on Facebook)
Brick being responsible for Malcolm's wife's murder.

No one knows that Malcolm put cameras in their lair? Also, Malcolm sits around all day just watching them work?
He put them in ton watch Ollie do the salmon ladder
 
"I feel like they want to force Laurel down our throat"

Imagine Romeo and Juliet as a TV show, starting now. :DDDDD

"NO WAY THEY CANT KILL ROMEO AND JULIET"

"PLEASE, LAZARUS PIT! BRING THEM BACK, MAN!"

Yeah, Diggle acted irrationally. Felicity acts irrationally every time a half-naked man is in front of her, so Dig cant be desperate/careless when Ollie is gone?

I do not like this linked youtube Arrow Show or whatever.

(And yeah, Laurel going out was *bad*, and I am a fan of her. Which was the point of this episode?)

Also, Oliver was never the voice of reason either. He is.... irrational. Completely. All the "I am just gonna look at you and dismiss your opinion" is his shtick now.
 
The guy in the Arrow After Show hates Laurel with a ridiculous passion. He quit because of it. I wouldn't take him too seriously, he's been banging that drum since the beginning.

Nice to see we were right about (spoilers for next episode based on a scene posted on Facebook)
Brick being responsible for Malcolm's wife's murder.

No one knows that Malcolm put cameras in their lair? Also, Malcolm sits around all day just watching them work?

Here's the spoiler video.
 
I have a small suspicion.
We know next episode is heavily focused on Merlyn but the preview is focusing on Arrow's return. I wonder if Merlyn wears the Arrow suit to play as him for part of the episode.

Don't like to admit it, but this show is kind of garbage since the Slade arc ended

I'm not seeing it.
 
The guy in the Arrow After Show hates Laurel with a ridiculous passion. He quit because of it. I wouldn't take him too seriously, he's been banging that drum since the beginning.



Here's the spoiler video.
Yeah I heard that he left. I might actually start watching now that he's gone. His hate for the character is ridiculous.
 
All this hate over Laurel in this episode? Team Arrow isn't exactly known for their common sense.

What really bothers me is the absolutely ridiculous method of Oliver being alive. The comics have the Lazarus pits and Ra is an old guy yet they don't use it? Ollie got major organ trauma from being stabbed with a large sword and falling who knows how far down a cliff. Then there's hypothermia.... Yet somehow he is healed by a woman with medical training without a proper operation room, supplies/blood, or assistance after being exposed to the cold, bleeding out, and having massive internal organ damage. She just so happened to carry lazarus pit water with her ;p?
 
I think the Alpha and Omega things in the flashbacks probably have something to do with Oliver's resurrection.

It's a shout out to Darkseid, who's Omega beams can both kill and revive so it's very likely. I think Oliver's revival will be a significant arc/mystery. It'll make you Quiver.
 
We have seen the Lazarus Pit according to Amell.

Let it go, dude. This is the winter season all over again - people complaining that it isn't moving fast enough like they did in 2014, and then when the finale hits and they realise where it's going they'll go 'ah, okay, that's why they set that up.' People want answers now now now, when the entire season is being structured like S1 and slowly moving towards big pay-offs.

I mean shit, both S1/S3 had winter finales where Oliver got the shit kicked out of him by an opponent he underestimated. It's poetry.
 
Holy shit at the new video for next episode from arrow. It´s on their Facebook.

Spoiler for the next episode teaser.
Brick was the one who killed Merlyn´s wife. Merlyn is spying on team arrow through a webcam. That´s how he found out.
 
Diggle exists to make everyone else look awesome and it annoys the fuck outta me.

Especially Roy being better than Diggle at...ANYTHING. Some kid who trained with Ollie for a few months is better than some dude whose been in various military special forces groups/op for most of his life....

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I can barely keep my suspension of disbelief that Ollie is suppose to be better than him in anything. This dude is on year 3 of flashbacks and he still can't fight for shit. I hope year 4 and 5 this mofo eats a bowl of senzu beans and enters a hyperbolic time chamber.

The only person who looks worse than him right now is Laurel, and by Season 4 she'll be some badass crimefighter...who training story is that she did some weak ass MMA training for a few months. Shit I bet Thea can kick his ass, whose writing his character?! Blacklist that mofo from ever touching a pen or keyboard.

Sigh.
 
Diggle exists to make everyone else look awesome and it annoys the fuck outta me.

Especially Roy being better than Diggle at...ANYTHING. Some kid who trained with Ollie for a few months is better than some dude whose been in various military special forces groups/op for most of his life....

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I can barely keep my suspension of disbelief that Ollie is suppose to be better than him in anything. This dude is on year 3 of flashbacks and he still can't fight for shit. I hope year 4 and 5 this mofo eats a bowl of senzu beans and enters a hyperbolic time chamber.
The show is dumb in many ways, including some that you've mentioned here. But for some of the fans to hate Laurel because her development into a vigilante is slow and more realistic is just absurd.

Diggle and Ray Palmer are the redeeming characters in this show for me. I'm still waiting on Laurel.
 
I know I'm late but the few minutes of Laurel talk here pretty much sums up my thoughts on everything. It's god damn ridiculous and anyone defending that crap is nuts.

Nah. Completely disagree with this dude's point. Roy's been mixing it up with very little training and regardless of Diggle's training, he's been shown to be outclassed constantly as well (which is a disservice to Diggle but still stands).

Let's also not forget that more than half of the villains are nothing more than Civilians as well. I mean how do we explain Cupid holding her own against Arrow? What years of training in hand to hand and archery did she have? At some point, as a viewer, you just have to accept that there's going to be a level of fantastic, whether it be Mirakuru fueled baddies or characters with very little real-time training having the near abilities of Arrow or Merlyn, who have extensive training.

This dude's opinion really does come from a place of just hating the character so much that there's no way that the writers could ever have redeemed her properly in his eyes. I mean the dude had Stephen Amell on the After Show and still had the nerve to completely trash her character in front of him. Dude's a lost cause and it's probably better for all parties that he's stopped watching and will stop participating in that After Show.
 
The show is dumb in many ways, including some that you've mentioned here. But for some of the fans to hate Laurel because her development into a vigilante is slow and more realistic is just absurd.

Diggle and Ray Palmer are the redeeming characters in this show for me. I'm still waiting on Laurel.

I can't understand how anyone wants Laurel to be this badass fighter in like 3 episodes. She needs to get her ass kicked for at least a full season with obvious progress being made.

If they make Laurel > Diggle by the end of this season, I'm out. Next thing you know Felicity is going to be telling Diggle to man the computers while she fights crime, I'll gag.
 
I can't understand how anyone wants Laurel to be this badass fighter in like 3 episodes. She needs to get her ass kicked for at least a full season with obvious progress being made.

If they make Laurel > Diggle by the end of this season, I'm out. Next thing you know Felicity is going to be telling Diggle to man the computers while she fights crime, I'll gag.

I get you on this. At the very least though, it's taken Roy a pretty long time to get to this point and he's still not as competent as Arrow (directly causing the Alderman to get shot, having Laurel save him at one point, etc..) Even when he was Mirakuru fueled, he was still getting outclassed. So they should hopefully have Laurel on a similar but slower pace to competency.
 
Don't like to admit it, but this show is kind of garbage since the Slade arc ended

Yep, especially when you factor in the Island side of things, they've gone from the flashbacks being arguably the best thing in S1 to it becoming an afterthought this season. The Slade arc felt like a climax of the first two seasons and with the Island gone, it feels like half of what made the show great has gone.
 
Yep, especially when you factor in the Island side of things, they've gone from the flashbacks being arguably the best thing in S1 to it becoming an afterthought this season. The Slade arc felt like a climax of the first two seasons and with the Island gone, it feels like half of what made the show great has gone.

The flashbacks were the best thing in S1 because a lot of the modern day stuff was shitty, especially early on. Until the halfway point the flashbacks were very dull too.
 
I get you on this. At the very least though, it's taken Roy a pretty long time to get to this point and he's still not as competent as Arrow (directly causing the Alderman to get shot, having Laurel save him at one point, etc..) Even when he was Mirakuru fueled, he was still getting outclassed. So they should hopefully have Laurel on a similar but slower pace to competency.

I love Diggle as a character, but he's awful at hand to hand fighting. China White beat his ass in S2 like Diggle owed her money, Deadshot whooped his ass in S2, and Oliver kicks Diggle's ass so bad in S1 that Diggle never brings it up DESPITE IT BEING THE ONLY POSSIBLE LOGIC FOR DIGGLE BEING KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT.

Laurel surpassed Diggle the second she started boxing.
 
Sounds like something Batman would do and to "friends" at that.
Funny you say that...
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I love Diggle as a character, but he's awful at hand to hand fighting. China White beat his ass in S2 like Diggle owed her money, Deadshot whooped his ass in S2, and Oliver kicks Diggle's ass so bad in S1 that Diggle never brings it up DESPITE IT BEING THE ONLY POSSIBLE LOGIC FOR DIGGLE BEING KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT.

Laurel surpassed Diggle the second she started boxing.

This is what makes zero sense because with Diggle's background in Special Forces, he would absolutely have high end hand to hand training. Certainly more than Wildcat and arguably more than Deadshot.
 
This is what makes zero sense because with Diggle's background in Special Forces, he would absolutely have high end hand to hand training. Certainly more than Wildcat and arguably more than Deadshot.

Diggle will be God-tier when he's drunk in an alley on his Stag Night, and runs into a Leprechaun who tells Diggle all the Green Lanterns are dead and Diggle's got to put on the ring. Diggle tries fending him off, but he's such a bad fighter that he loses. The Leprechaun sighs in disgust, and drops the ring. When Diggle wakes up, he puts on the ring and becomes...

John Stewart Diggle: Green Lantern.
 
Case in fact: Diggles character need development. He is far weaker than he should be with his background and him running around without a disguise during missions is just ridiculous. He really needs that Lantern upgrade. Fast.
 
Nah. Completely disagree with this dude's point. Roy's been mixing it up with very little training and regardless of Diggle's training, he's been shown to be outclassed constantly as well (which is a disservice to Diggle but still stands).

Let's also not forget that more than half of the villains are nothing more than Civilians as well. I mean how do we explain Cupid holding her own against Arrow? What years of training in hand to hand and archery did she have? At some point, as a viewer, you just have to accept that there's going to be a level of fantastic, whether it be Mirakuru fueled baddies or characters with very little real-time training having the near abilities of Arrow or Merlyn, who have extensive training.

This dude's opinion really does come from a place of just hating the character so much that there's no way that the writers could ever have redeemed her properly in his eyes. I mean the dude had Stephen Amell on the After Show and still had the nerve to completely trash her character in front of him. Dude's a lost cause and it's probably better for all parties that he's stopped watching and will stop participating in that After Show.

Cupid didn't hold her own. She was a cop, so she's had basic firearms and self-defense training and her archery was most likely self-taught. I don't know if we were watching the same fight, but she was not "holding her own." Ollie was going easy because he didn't want to kill her and she's crazy.

A lot of people exaggerate this kind of thing. I see it all the time in OnePiece discussions, where if two characters have a small clash, then so many people go "Aw man that means X character is on X tier OPOPOPOP."

My friend was upset because Thea was capable of "holding her own" against Oliver earlier on in the season. I had to point out that she clearly couldn't hold her own, and that Ollie was surprised and wasn't going to hurt her.

Laurel clearly displays a perfect level of fight competency for this stage, especially considering she's using a weapon she has zero familiarity with. Roy wasn't that much of a fighter either until he was trained (just enough to get by), and this season has shown that fact. There's a reason that one gif is hilarious, but it also shows the exact same thing that Laurel is going through now.

Also, not a fan of John Campea, but he was also the only good thing about that show (based on the two episodes I watched).
 
Case in fact: Diggles character need development. He is far weaker than he should be with his background and him running around without a disguise during missions is just ridiculous. He really needs that Lantern upgrade. Fast.

I don't think his character needs more "developing" more than he needs something to do. Diggle is the straight man to all the crazy shit and problems everyone has, he doesn't have some crazy back story he's just an ex-soldier, and now he has a wife and a baby; he's normal. His problem right now is that his role within the Arrow crew is no longer defined, he's no longer the bodyguard sidekick, he isn't the detective, and he's not the computer hacker. Right now he's just general support, and occasional get away driver. The fact that he has no sort of costume also highlights how out of place he seems on missions.

They just need to figure out what his role is right now and make him fit that role. If he's going out into the field he needs a "costume," I don't think he needs crazy looking superhero gear but even just soldier type gear or a suit with a mask is fine.
 
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