Has 343 Industries redeemed themselves with Halo:MCC

Stormus said:
Sounds like someone who spent $60 on an unfinished product and has justly lost confidence in the Halo franchise until they prove otherwise.
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That's exactly what a fair weather fan is: a fan only when things are going well for the team.

Don't get me wrong, if he wants to back out of Halo games for awhile that's his prerogative. It's just not what I would consider to be hardcore.
 
Pathfinder said:
As a hardcore Halo fan, you let the missteps from one company soil your whole outlook on Halo, so much that you traded in MCC and refuse to buy the next game until it hits the bargain bin?

That doesn't sound like the actions of a hardcore fan to me. Sounds more like the actions of a fair weather fan.
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im a Halo fan, not someone who pledges blind loyalty to a brand. besides im still going to read the books, thats enough for me.
 
Conflict NZ said:
A fair weather fan ditches as soon as thing isn't popular/good anymore straight away. With 343 we've suffered through them retroactively ruining Reach, Halo CEA being terrible, The abortion that was Halo 4 and now a broken mess of a collection that instead of celebrating Halo was a quick cashgrab that disgraces the series. I'm still a Halo fan, just not a fan of the trash that 343 continues to spit out.
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Wasn't reach a bungie game??
 
Pathfinder said:
That's exactly what a fair weather fan is: a fan only when things are going well for the team.

Don't get me wrong, if he wants to back out of Halo games for awhile that's his prerogative. It's just not what I would consider to be hardcore.
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Then what is the distinction between a 'hardcore' fan and a blindly loyal fanboy?

I'm a loyal KC Royals baseball fan. This past season they just made the playoffs for the first time in 29 years, it was fantastic. However, when ownership in the mid 2000's was intentionally not spending money and trying to improve their roster and win games, I'm not obligated to support the organization under any circumstance.

I'll gladly root for a loser, but I won't support negligence and not trying. Which is where the Halo franchise is at.
 
BabyFaceKillah said:
Wasn't reach a bungie game??
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It was, but I believe he's referring to 343i's involvement because they took over multiplayer operations during some point of Reach's lifespan and didn't make good on some things they said they would.

As for this thread? Well worth the chuckle of reading again. Just remember, "Halo, just as you remember it!™"
 
Hubble said:
Reach was not part of the Master Chief series, a spin-off story by Bungie to experiment with ideas but not MC, where it's multiplayer is heralded and Reach is not held in high regard.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

Ignoring that the guy was wondering why 343 ruined Halo with Reach, which, as the original post says, was retroactively, Halo Reach's story directly serves as prequel to the Master Chief series, with him even being there in the ending.
 
Not until I can play BTB with a friend and not wait 20 minutes or more between matches (that aren't full anyways).

I love the idea of the whole package, and played a lot of the single player games, but MP is still janky.
 
It's absolutely amazing how terrible MCC ended up being (not that it would have redeemed 343 for me anyways).

Even better were all the comments in the Halo 5 beta thread indicating that if Halo fans who didn't like the changes to 5 were upset, they have the older Halo games they can play and the series should continue to "evolve". Yea right, thanks again 343!

I don't actively dislike publishers or developers, but I do absolutely hate MS and 343.
 
Stormus said:
Then what is the distinction between a 'hardcore' fan and a blindly loyal fanboy?
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Exactly what I was thinking. There's the "hardcore fan" and there's the "blind[/i] hardcore fan". It's never good to be blind to something (only exception would be if you're a 343i/MS employee....I guess).
 
Toa TAK said:
Can you blame us, though? We were getting Halo 1-3 back on the One, with pretty much everything we ever wanted. ;_;
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yes because it was farmed out to all those different teams but dat interface i guess :p

Also i still think Halo 5 is the true test but this situation doesn't help matters
 
CozMick said:
There is nothing redeem worthy of playing ODST again. It would be the absolute worst Halo game if Reach hadn't been released.
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well ive never played it + ive sold my x360 now so was hoping they remaster it. i too hated reach, except for the ending that was masterfully done.
Steverulez said:
Considering the state of the other 4 games I'm not sure how much faith I will put into 343i for a 5th!
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I always found it pretty ironic that the studio is named after the AI who misleads you and ultimately succumbs to rampancy when you disagree with his plans.
 
Stormus said:
Then what is the distinction between a 'hardcore' fan and a blindly loyal fanboy?
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vesvci said:
Exactly what I was thinking. There's the "hardcore fan" and there's the "blind[/i] hardcore fan". It's never good to be blind to something (only exception would be if you're a 343i/MS employee....I guess).
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I guess from my vantage point, I've been playing Halo offline and online since the beginning. Halo 4 was somewhat of a departure, but I didn't think it was horrible. And yeah, MS and 343 messed up with MCC and deserve to be ridiculed for it, but it's personally not stopping me from remaining optimistic about one of my favorite franchises and what the future holds.

Halo 5 still could be something special. I'm not going to automatically discount it just because MCC didn't turn out so well.
 
Jesus even on the third blue moon of the month when 343 decide to communicate they cock it up.

First of all, don't tell us that fixing the MCC is your top priority and then spend 2/3rds of the blog talking about new playlists and Halo fucking 5. If you're going to focus on fixing your broken game, FOCUS on it.

Second, the clarity of communication is terrible. What does "evaluating the final release date in February" mean? Are you finalising when in Feb its going to be released? Was it originally scheduled for Feb but is now being delayed indefinitely? If you've got no clue what you're doing that's fine but be up front about it because this bullshit doublespeak is worse than not saying anything at all.

Lastly, when the hell are you and Microsoft going to get your shit together regarding refunds? The MCC is still being promoted and sold with no caveats and its broken in a fundamental way. People shouldn't have to play "reasonable consultant roulette" in an attempt to get their money back. Don't feed us crap about having no influence as a developer. Don't assume we're all 15 year olds with no idea how to get things done. It's insulting to those of us who are actually out there in jobs working to satisfy our own customers for you to pretend that someone at 343 can't call up Microsoft and say "hey guys, we're getting continually slammed by the commuunity and have no eta on an actual fix. Can we get together to talk refunds?" And the fact that all those people who got MCC for christmas dont get the "compensation"? Disgraceful.

I'll be honest. I'm having a lot of fun with the campaigns despite some jank and I'm not a huge Halo mp guy so I don't actually want my money back but I'm tired of you slapping the community in the face over and over.

1. You are 343/Microsoft
2. This is Halo
3. Get it done
 
Pathfinder said:
I guess from my vantage point, I've been playing Halo offline and online since the beginning. Halo 4 was somewhat of a departure, but I didn't think it was horrible. And yeah, MS and 343 messed up with MCC and deserve to be ridiculed for it, but it's personally not stopping me from remaining optimistic about one of my favorite franchises and what the future holds.

Halo 5 still could be something special. I'm not going to automatically discount it just because MCC didn't turn out so well.
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It's more of a refusal to forget how paying customers for multiple console generations were treated.

I consider myself someone who has been a fan of halo for a very long time, but I don't love it enough to give money to 343/Microsoft ever again for it. They lied using a position that they only had once they removed a third party publisher that normally would verify that a game is ok to ship. Normal circumstances would have dictated a delay, but Microsoft abused their fans' trust in order to sell more up front.
 
I can't believe this game has had 5+ updates and still isn't fixed.

It's a shame the MCC will go down in history as the worst release to exist. How disappointing.
 
Reach hate is a bit undeserved, campaign is pretty great, perhaps not the included Firefight paste job here and there, multiplayer had some issues, lack of good maps at launch but still played well enough after a patch, the anti aliasing technique was just horrible. Lets not forget, Bungie was on their way out and fixed what they could, banishing armour lock I seem to remember then 343 took the reigns, playlists went to crap, DLC became next to useless etc. zero fucks given at 343.
 
Within the next month there seems to be an entire re-write of the lobby/invite/MMing system. Such an odd bump time.. then again, it is #butts
 
RoboPlato said:
Seeing Halo 5 preorder posters up for weeks now after the release of MCC is truly hilarious at this point.
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Not that I'd ever encourage pre-orders (I think they're pointless and against consumer interests in their current form), but the idea of acting like completely different development studios and circumstances should be equated is too much.
 
Gestault said:
Not that I'd ever encourage pre-orders (I think they're pointless and against consumer interests in their current form), but the idea of acting like completely different development studios and circumstances should be equated is too much.
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How is 343 a different studio from 343? I know they outsourced bits and pieces but it's still done by 343, right?
 
Gestault said:
Unless my memory is faulty, prior to H4, co-op has always made you start fresh in each mission for co-op. It was part of why Halo 3 adding "Rally Points" for jumping back in was an improvement at the time.
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Seems it was indeed that way and I simply didn't remember considering how long ago it was. I can't fault whatever developer was in charge of those ports then as that's far above and beyond the call of duty for a remaster port like this.
 
Gestault said:
Not that I'd ever encourage pre-orders (I think they're pointless and against consumer interests in their current form), but the idea of acting like completely different development studios and circumstances should be equated is too much.
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343i employees deemed it okay it outsource and picked who worked on it, 343i employees outright lied to us about the quality of the product with their name on the box, 343i employees ran quality control.

They have done absolutely nothing worthy of deserving trust. Doesn't matter if they made the Master Chief Collection or not. Different circumstances with Halo 5 or no, those same people are in charge. It's on them to prove they wont do it again, but there's no reason at all people shouldn't expect it with Halo 5.
 
there is not a single other company in the industry that disgusts me more than 343. They still have frame rate drops in the multiplayer. Unacceptable.
 
Ominym said:
Doesn't matter if they made the Master Chief Collection or not. Different circumstances with Halo 5 or no, those same people are in charge.
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I'm comfortable disagreeing that different staff under different circumstances would make a difference for expectations about a future release.
 
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