Grildon Tundy
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Might these companies be using the tariffs hubbub as a cover to do what they exist to do (i.e., maximize profits) while able to plausibly shift blame to a factor outside of their control?
consoles are now using price increases to sell themselves, instead of price drops
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CrimsonTide
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As stated. That shit tech nothing old burger Switch 2017 launched at $299Might these companies be using the tariffs hubbub as a cover to do what they exist to do (i.e., maximize profits) while able to plausibly shift blame to a factor outside of their control?
It's still selling at
$299
Hasn't dropped a penny in near decade
We're being FUCKED over these days. And they'll use "pandemic. Inflation. Wars. Tariffs"
Whatever it takes to make them not the bad guy
simpatico
Member
Our main vendor at work just slapped a flat 20% at the bottom of every invoice. It hasn't even begun yet.
Paltheos
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Not a console guy these days (outside my Nintendo device), but is early hardware really that bad? I remember early adoption being punished a couple generations ago (dieing 360s especially) but last generation was fine.
Don't be silly. If demand is sufficiently inelastic, of course the price will stay the same.
Don't be silly. If demand is sufficiently inelastic, of course the price will stay the same.
CrimsonTide
Member
So. The "rules" of the past 50 year old electronics no longer apply is what you're saying? It's unprecedented and never been done. Ever. Until now. Nintendo was pioneers of this (via Switch 1) and others now following.
They'll use every excuse now to "make themselves" not the reason why it's not decreased or the reason it's increased.
Covid ENSURED this globally to be normal. We've lost. We lost this. It's over. And now any and all global "conflicts" will be used to fuck me in the ass. They now at least lube it first and make me feel better about it eh?
Paltheos
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CrimsonTide
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FFS it's baffling how any human can somehow look at me who's not in a mental ward and say "yeah. Switch 1 from 2017 should still be $299"
That TRASH tech is $129.99 with Mario kart 8 deluxe pro elite edition and a come with a bottle of lube for my ass
No one can defend that. No one. Zero humans. Nintendo invented this and others following now.
That TRASH tech is $129.99 with Mario kart 8 deluxe pro elite edition and a come with a bottle of lube for my ass
No one can defend that. No one. Zero humans. Nintendo invented this and others following now.
CrimsonTide
Member
Please defend the decade old switch being $300.
I'll sit here and wait for it and also show me a decade old (near) console selling for MSRP launch prices prior to Nintendo switch. I'll also wait here for that. That BS cell phone tech costs Nintendo nothing in 2025 and we all know it
CrimsonTide
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Now that Nintendo OFFICIALLY acknowledges the Switch 2 price MAY go up. Maybe.
It not only creates FOMO. Which is real by any company. But creates "shit if we don't buy now. I'll pay $100 more later"
This ensures the switch 2 will be swooped up by any and every human alive who's ever remotely felt the urge to snag one
Meanwhile, Microsoft, who couldn't sell a console to save its life, has increased it prices. Which boggles the brain.
I'm just laughing. Absolutely laughing. It's beyond comprehension for me. Nintendo invented this, covid insured it, and now it's accepted and giant corpo's can do it and the little people like us can go "well they do have a tax to pay. It's ok". Like the sheep we all are
It not only creates FOMO. Which is real by any company. But creates "shit if we don't buy now. I'll pay $100 more later"
This ensures the switch 2 will be swooped up by any and every human alive who's ever remotely felt the urge to snag one
Meanwhile, Microsoft, who couldn't sell a console to save its life, has increased it prices. Which boggles the brain.
I'm just laughing. Absolutely laughing. It's beyond comprehension for me. Nintendo invented this, covid insured it, and now it's accepted and giant corpo's can do it and the little people like us can go "well they do have a tax to pay. It's ok". Like the sheep we all are
LavitzSlambert
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Truly. What astounds me is how many people are obsessed with one particular thing, and are willing to spend every penny they have on it.
Power won't translate. People have been praising the "geniuses" at the major semis for years when they're completely reliant on die shrinks for technological improvements. We are hitting severe diminishing returns yet companies have not adjusted their spending accordingly. It's setting the industry up for failure as computing heads down the same path as appliances.
I wish it was so easy. There are too many out there with low standards and enough cash to waste. I will do my part though, Switch 2 and PS5 Pro are my endgame consoles. I am fully prepared to stop purchasing new hardware. How much of an improvement will the PS6 be over the PS5 Pro? I really doubt enough to justify what it will cost.
It's fully intentional, and Microsoft's way of excusing themselves from the hardware business. They hate that business, they never wanted to be in it, they were forced into it because Bill Gates was afraid of 2000s Sony entering the PC space and threatening Microsoft's stranglehold. They would much rather be a platform owner and software publisher. The problem is they can't just throw away a huge market like Xbox overnight, they need to justify it to their shareholders.
phant0m
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dunno what other hobbies you like but gaming is insanely cheap, especially if you ignore AAA FOMO.
stuff is on sale constantly, especially after it's 6-8 months old
CrimsonTide
Member
So do Switch in 2017 and Switch in 2025
What you mean is PC gaming is cheap. I'll agree to that.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Is there any evidence that there has been a boost in sales due to increased pricing? Not sure I follow the logic on this.
Rusty Shackelford
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We got complacent and they got us sleeping.
CrimsonTide
Member
Depends on the product. Nintendo hasn't dropped the Switch a PENNY since launch. Garbage tech even in 2017. Yet sells like hot cakes regardless. 150 million
It's def a good product. But 0 chance it needs to retail for $300 for trashy android tablet decade old tech
phant0m
Member
Games go on sale on PSN, Xbox and yes, even Switch.
Granted, Nintendo 1P is the biggest stickler on price but the platform has plenty of cheap games to be had.
Just right now:
- Hogwarts $18
- LEGO Skywalker Saga: $12
- MK1: $13
- MH Rise: $10, or $15 w/ Sunbreak
- RE2/3 Remakes: $10
- Guardians of the Galaxy: $9
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CrimsonTide
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I said Switch. Read my post and read it again. Also do console prices from 2017 to now. You're not understanding lol
Switch. Nintendo. They INVENTED the "forever pricing" ordeal we are in and Microsoft increasing is just well hilarious.
I buy on PC from key shops. I'm good.
Tell me why I'm paying $300 for the same $300 launch price for a shit tablet tech like switch.
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0neAnd0nly
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You ready for TLOU 1 remake remaster NEXT Gen Edition*?
CrimsonTide
Member
Not a SINGLE human can answer why shit mobile tech from 2017 (Switch) is still priced at $300. Not a single penny has it dropped. Why? No answers from anyone. Why?
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Callous, but in your desire to make a funny, you miss the real point of these remakes/remasters.
You don't continously need additional remakes/remasters, these games unlike their originals, even the ones recently released are far more scalable. Meaning they'll be easily patched on PS5 Pro and PS6 and even presumably PS6 Pro.
All of these games are going to run 4K120 on PS6 whereas most of the original games were capped to 60 fps and in many cases 30 fps.
Even the cheap "remaster" of Day's Gone is going to sing on PS6 with access to higher resolutions AND higher framerates. This allows single player AAA games to become "forever" games in way they haven't historically. Nintendo has benefited from this with their "AAA" games for years. It's a great thing to have these games have extended life cycles which will help ensure we continue to get single player AAA experiences in the future.
It's the first time console games will easily feature significant upgrades across multiple generations like PC...
CrimsonTide
Member
Remasters are the oldest play in the playbook
We saw MANY NES to SNES/Genesis remasters
This isn't going anywhere. Ever.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
I've mentioned it before, if Nintendo and Playstation get too demanding or hateful... I'll switch to a PC and pirate video games and use emulators.
CrimsonTide
Member
Tell me what price switch launched at (hint. It's $299)
Now tell me what price I can buy one at? (Hint. $299)
2017 shit tech hasn't got cheaper according to Nintendo
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
See how you still fundamentally misunderstand how this is different? Remasters on the snes and genesis didn't then run on the n64 and saturn let alone run enhanced.
When the PS5 launched it had a catalog of enhanced BC games, but there was something inherently wrong with many of these games.
They didn't have DRS, they didn't have unlocked framerates ,they didn't have RT, they had dated lighting and shadows, e.t.c. They weren't built to simply run better on better hardware in most cases and in the cases they did, they were limited.
These games can no be designed to "forever" run better on better console hardware... that's REALLY new in the console space.
If you put Metal Gear Solid in a launch PS3, it would run, but it wasn't REALLY enhanced. In 2035, you're going to be able to run TLOUP2 on a PS7 and it just runs better... even better than it did on PS6... That wasn't going to be possible with the PS4 version.
The PS4 native version of TLOUP2 on PS5 patche still ran at 1440P upscaled to 4K and at 60 fps. The remaster on PS5 Pro runs at 1440P60 upscaled to 4K running at 60 fps (higher with VRR)... This game will likely run at native 4K90 on PS6... or upscaled 4K120. Again, not possible without the remastered version.
All for 10 dollars... GTFOH with your complaints.
CrimsonTide
Member
I dunno man. A potato can run any and all SNES remakes
Anyhow. Not even upset with it. It's always been a trend and always will be. Remake or remaster what WAS popular and had an audience.
Sooner
Member
Because you price things based off supply and demand in order to maximize profits. These are businesses, not charities.
If they didn't sell, the price would drop. Switch continued to sell throughout the generation. Dropping the price would have only cost the company money and thus would have been a dumb decision.
And we are talking $299. You act like it's $2,999. If that's too much money, get a better job or a cheaper hobby. Hobbies, however, don't come much cheaper than gaming.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Can you run a native SNES game on any Nintendo device? No. This is a new value add to console gaming.
When Chrono Trigger got ported to PlayStation, it had terrible loading times. A lack of proper remaster means that the best ports out there are from the iOS build... which is nasty work...
I'm glad these games aren't getting lost like old generation games.
CrimsonTide
Member
So you feel $300 is still a fair price for a machine that is piss old and less than a cheap phone?
Nintendo isn't a charity. And no one said they were. They are overpriced. Like Apple. Like many others.
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CrimsonTide
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Eh. PlayStation was using CD's and loading was a major deal. Had its benefits but also its drawbacks.
Hence why the N64 was faster loading but couldn't do giant cinematic content
Trade off.
We have advanced. Now it's all digital basically and no holds barred. Nothing can stand in the way of anything.
But the PSX could still replicate pixel for pixel that overhyped SNES Shit RPG
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
This has nothing to do with what I said...
Felessan
Member
Nintendo sells children toys, like LEGO, and those often don't down with price over time.
There is just no incentive for Nintendo to drop price. Competitors can't outprice it due to cost issues, so it stay "most afforable, most children friendly" Christmass present.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Yeah, that's my point...
We're in a time where technology is allowing us to keep games alive as opposed to being left behind or simply emulated/ported in poor ways.
That should be something we all relish rather than downplay.
How are you not getting things? Oh you think CT is overhyped, that probably explains a lot.
CrimsonTide
Member
I'm happy with a remaster. Maybe you're not getting my point. Maybe I'm not. Love a good remaster.
CrimsonTide
Member
My entire point was pissing on Nintendo for pissing down my leg and telling me it's raining
Selling 2017 tablet tech Switch which launched at $300 for $300 in 2025. There's no defense for that. It's what it is and the market accepts it. Because sheep will sheep. They know it.
No issues with an old remaster of Chrono Trigger. Which is a shit JRPG. Y'all enjoy and that's all. It's not for me. It's for you. Fine by that
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Bloody Crow of Cainhurst
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I bought a Para 3 from amazon for $108 in 2017!
draliko
Member
Got good deals on a mondraker, but across the board bikes already raised prices with the COVID demand so we're starting to get back actually, newer models cost less than last year's counterparts (at least here)...
Anyway back on topic... Next gen will be the first time I will not be multiplatform... The kids now primarily play on ps and I'm on pc but I'm debating if it isn't worth to move them to pc too, as gamepads and games on ps cost way too much... Next gen will be a bloodbath
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
That's why crossgen is a good thing. But what defects have you found in consoles of the last 2 generations that were fixed in revisions?
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0neAnd0nly
Member
It was a joke. I wasn't looking for discourse, tbh.
BTW, console gaming is only getting more expensive if you live in a normal place.
In plenty of modern/ enlightened cities, gaming is free as long as there is a social scandal going on and you keep it under a certain amount!!
dragonyeuw
Member
That's what fries brain cells with the Xbox pricing. Out of the 3 console manufacturers, Microsoft by magnitudes has the least leverage to charge more due to the complete lack of mass demand or buzz for Xbox consoles. Nintendo and Sony have far more entrenched/captive audiences to raise prices( not that it doesn't suck in any case).
Like, if you've been on the fence the entire gen and in the market for a console, why on earth would you buy a more expensive Xbox if you weren't motivated to buy it before? I mean, their candace of releases has picked up since 2023 but those titles are also going over to PlayStation.
Sooner
Member
Comparing a $299 popular electronic to Apple prices is laughable.
But, Apple shouldn't change either. Supply/Demand. For whatever reason, people will pay thousands for that Apple logo. I'm not one, but there are enough are that warrants those prices.
Oh, I just noticed your username. That explains a lot.
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spookyfish
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This is what the publishers would like, sure.
Fbh
Member
Not really, at least from my experience.
My launch Ps4 never gave me any issues (the controller did have the peeling issue though) and my launch Switch still works fine (though one of the joycons does drift).
Still, getting a new product at launch always carries a certain risk. It's almost always going to be covered by warranty though, so it's not like you'll loose your money or anything. But as someone who sent in an Xbox360 multiple times due to the RROD, it's still always annoying as fuck.
They never dropped the price because it consistently sold incredibly well at $300. There's no more reason than that.
They probably ran simulations and realized the increase in sales from a price drop wouldn't be high enough to offset the loss in revenue from each systsem.
They aren't going to drop the price now with the Switch 2 on the horizon
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Boo Who?
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I think if I googled these hobbies, I still wouldn't know what the hell you are saying.
Audiophile
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I don't buy for a second that the PS5 costs more to make now or hasn't dropped in cost to a reasonable extent. Even taking into account the worst case scenario and TSMC price hikes, the N6 die in the PS5 Slim shouldn't be up more than ~$20 and I reckon it's likely been largely down much of the time since the stealth refresh.
Then looking beyond that, the cost of the SSD & RAM chips alone dropping should've knocked $100 off the BoM at this point. Plus with the Slim you have the knock on cost savings of the smaller, lower thermal design N6 APU in terms of heatsink, voltage regulation, board complexity, PSU etc. The unit is lighter and the box is smaller which has small additional savings. PlayStation prices have largely been up or not dropping because they can get away with it. I'd be very surprised if they haven't been profitable on most, if not all units for a while.
The cost of an N7 wafer in 2020 was 8-9.5k, the cost of an N6 wafer at the moment may be anywhere from 9.5-11k, but the N6 chip is 16% smaller, the node is mature with less defects and you're producing many more chips per wafer. At the end you're likely looking at anywhere from down a good bit to up a tiny bit. Then again, the SSD, RAM and other minor, secondary cost savings.
"Chips aren't dropping like they used to" is true, but it's not yet to such an extent that it's gonna comes close to offsetting the other savings in the unit.
MS is a much harder thing to gauge, they have half as many consoles and their dies have been split between two different skus since the beginning with the higher seller being the small one. So Sony could be making as much as 5-6x as many PS5 slim/n6 dies as MS are making XSX dies. Sony have scale on their side, but even then MS' decision to jack the prices is a bit much and I'd just eat the cost (as they make zero sense to most consumers when pitted against current PS costs), though perhaps they're just in cost-recoup mode knowing full well they've largely fluffed it this gen.
The baller move for Sony when MS announced the hikes would've been to drop to $349/$649 for the Slim/Pro, have a couple of game bundles at $399/$699, drop the disc sku to simplify and then have the disc drive in plentiful supply at $49 for a month. Throw a month of PS Plus in with every unit, 10% sale across accessories and PS Store, bump marketing up temporarily and watch the remaining droves roll in to their ecosystem. This gen is finally coming online in the next 18mths, so I'd be throwing some fuel on the fire.
Then looking beyond that, the cost of the SSD & RAM chips alone dropping should've knocked $100 off the BoM at this point. Plus with the Slim you have the knock on cost savings of the smaller, lower thermal design N6 APU in terms of heatsink, voltage regulation, board complexity, PSU etc. The unit is lighter and the box is smaller which has small additional savings. PlayStation prices have largely been up or not dropping because they can get away with it. I'd be very surprised if they haven't been profitable on most, if not all units for a while.
The cost of an N7 wafer in 2020 was 8-9.5k, the cost of an N6 wafer at the moment may be anywhere from 9.5-11k, but the N6 chip is 16% smaller, the node is mature with less defects and you're producing many more chips per wafer. At the end you're likely looking at anywhere from down a good bit to up a tiny bit. Then again, the SSD, RAM and other minor, secondary cost savings.
"Chips aren't dropping like they used to" is true, but it's not yet to such an extent that it's gonna comes close to offsetting the other savings in the unit.
MS is a much harder thing to gauge, they have half as many consoles and their dies have been split between two different skus since the beginning with the higher seller being the small one. So Sony could be making as much as 5-6x as many PS5 slim/n6 dies as MS are making XSX dies. Sony have scale on their side, but even then MS' decision to jack the prices is a bit much and I'd just eat the cost (as they make zero sense to most consumers when pitted against current PS costs), though perhaps they're just in cost-recoup mode knowing full well they've largely fluffed it this gen.
The baller move for Sony when MS announced the hikes would've been to drop to $349/$649 for the Slim/Pro, have a couple of game bundles at $399/$699, drop the disc sku to simplify and then have the disc drive in plentiful supply at $49 for a month. Throw a month of PS Plus in with every unit, 10% sale across accessories and PS Store, bump marketing up temporarily and watch the remaining droves roll in to their ecosystem. This gen is finally coming online in the next 18mths, so I'd be throwing some fuel on the fire.
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Osthyvel
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Let me tell you something.... let me tell you something... LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING!!!
If no one preordered Switch 2 for example, and no one buys a Switch 2 at release, do you think Nintendo will increase the price to sell more? Same thing with PlayStation etc.
I read something earlier in the tread about playing your backlog etc
You, YOU my friends have the power in your pocket, and i am talking about your wallet.
If no one preordered Switch 2 for example, and no one buys a Switch 2 at release, do you think Nintendo will increase the price to sell more? Same thing with PlayStation etc.
I read something earlier in the tread about playing your backlog etc
You, YOU my friends have the power in your pocket, and i am talking about your wallet.
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ValiantTraveler
Member
This so much. I still have many PS4 games I've yet to play.
Heck I'm even thinking about going back to some DS/3DS games. Or simply replay some of my favorites.
The only games I'd love to play but I'm missing out on are FFVII Rebirth & FFXVI. But I'm sitting this gen out - both PS5 and Switch 2.
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