HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Yep. It was pretty bad, almost to the point where, if you didn't know any better, the game was going to kill your family or burn your house down upon release.
Bloodborne gameplay : The first 18 minutes
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Yep. It was pretty bad, almost to the point where, if you didn't know any better, the game was going to kill your family or burn your house down upon release.
The mirror-chair thing has been removed. That's worse than a downgrade, it's straight false advertising about the decoration of the levels.
/s
Americanmushroom
Banned
LowlySmokeGuy
Banned
You don't even know what this footage really looks like because it's being compressed to hell, so how can you criticize it? You can't criticize something you aren't seeing the full picture of.
Look at the details on the gates to the right:
This game has possibly been downgraded if the IGN footage is the latest.
You are right that the textures/geometry have changed there, but that isn't really a proof.
This building has changed completely, now there is an NPC inside, you talk to him on the side throught the window (you can see the light on the new Pic), as far as i know, that wasn't there in the Alpha. And if that's the case, who knows, the change could even have story reasons if the murals (is that the right word?) would say something about the resident/s of the building.
Who knows, maybe it was downgraded, personally i would prefer it that way for an rock solid 30 fps without dips, but until i know for certain, this looks mostly like the different time of day.
plasmawave
Banned
I mean, if you can't see how flat, lifeless, and bland this looks for PS4 at 30fps, then I don't know what to say.
The only hope is that this is not final footage and truly there's a world of difference to be had in the final version.
People are allowed to dislike the level of graphical fidelity but admit they'll still play the game. I don't have to be 10/10 in agreement with every aspect of the game to be allowed to enjoy it. I am just not blind to what is clearly subpar graphics and performance for this generation, if this video is at all indicative of final quality. Let's hope it is not.
Could you show us some lively and vibrant doors?
I mean, if you can't see how flat, lifeless, and bland this looks for PS4 at 30fps, then I don't know what to say.
Sure, I can see how cream walls and a door look flat, lifeless and bland but then again I'm not sure what else you expect them to look like. It's not like they are meant to be round, alive and vibrant. I hate when people use words that convey little meaning. It's almost as bad as when people use the words meaty and clunky.
Look, it's one thing to talk about the AA, or polygon slivers in the footage but posting a pic of a corridor and a door calling it flat and lifeless is not something many would consider a good argument.
CadetMahoney
Member
Looks about right for a PS4 game tbh, target 30fps visually in the correct ball-park.
Haunted
Member
It seems to me that some people were hoping for a generational leap from Dark Souls 2 to Bloodborne, and instead it's looking like a generational leap from Demon's Souls to Bloodborne. Anti-Sony concern trolls aside, I honestly think that's where most of the disgruntled voices are coming from.
Are you also admonishing the people who're posting "looks great!"? They don't know what this footage really looks like, either.
DoubleTake
Member
Theres a difference between voicing concerns over terribad AA, which most would agree with here, and trying to push an agenda by posting comparison shots of an area with different lighting and a slightly different texture then shouting downgrade.
i'm suddenly reminded of the bloodborne stream during niconico tokaigi few days ago, found it on youtube
has multiplayer play, same alpha build though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fp9EsbTzxQ
has multiplayer play, same alpha build though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fp9EsbTzxQ
Jawbreaker
Member
Would you criticize the finer details of a painting if you were looking at it through a foggy pane of glass?
Why would a competent curator ever allow for such?
Haunted
Member
I like you, so I'm going to inform you that your Santa hat is now out of style.
HORRORSHØW
Member
i have the CE game and CE guide preordered, but now they're canceled.
Lol
Imru al-Qays
Banned
IGN is not a competent curator.
LowlySmokeGuy
Banned
I don't think people that think it looks great now would suddenly think it looks worse with less compression. That would be weird as hell. So no.
Americanmushroom
Banned
Can't see much difference
DoubleTake
Member
Wait...stone gate removed on the right, mural above doors has significantly less polygons, and look at that horrible draw distance, not to mention that everything is brown. What a downgrade
pre-order super cancelled
RedAssedApe
Banned
these threads make me chuckle...
Jawbreaker
Member
It seems like you're purposely being obtuse. The point I'm making is pretty clear (at least, clearer than the aforementioned glass pane or compressed footage).
IAmRandom31
Banned
Repost my previous thoughts since everything is buried in bullshit atm
to be fair that doesn't matter anymore these days
still, the game looks fine, downgrade or not, its beautiful
twisted h3art
Member
/dead
Doesn't matter. If the visuals were flawless they would find something else to be "concerned" about. See The Order 1886 threads.
DoubleTake
Member
I feel like there are a few humans left in the world, not sure if the ones in their houses count though.
What does interest me though is whether or not those characters can leave those places or if they have any sort of use at all. The first one IGN meets(forget his name) says he'll try to be of help but we dont know in what way.
I cant wait to not know what the hell im doing in a souls-like game again its the best part of the experience IMO.
Fimbulvetr
Member
This confirms with absolute finality that healing items and bullets can only be gotten through drops, hand-placed in-world items or vendors. I think this is tragic, a huge step back from the near perfection of the Dark Souls systems for healing and spellcasting.
The hub based world structure is strange as well if checkpoints will consistently be placed as close or nearly as close as the two seen in this footage; it'll be a near repeat of the pretty disastrous structure of Dark Souls II.
Also, free warping makes the interconnected nature of a Dark Souls style world obsolete. When you can just skip from point to point, there's no point in creating many different paths. Like in Dark Souls II, the structure gets mostly destroyed. I can only hope that the warp points in this video are outliers in their proximity, and that the game will play around with whether warping is possible or not (In DSII I was totally expecting the ability to warp to be taken away at some point or even multiple points, but that never happened).
Not to mention that tying leveling to the hub in DSII was nothing but an annoyance. Here's hoping they don't do that again here.
Having some of my worst fears confirmed has made me pretty nervous. I hate to see this game fall just short of perfection.
The hub based world structure is strange as well if checkpoints will consistently be placed as close or nearly as close as the two seen in this footage; it'll be a near repeat of the pretty disastrous structure of Dark Souls II.
This is a great example of what I mean. In Demon's Souls, the ability to warp freely works well because you're required to really work for every warp point - you're forced through a challenge to get to safety. This creates the higher level tension that these games thrive on, with the lower level tension being in the combat encounters themselves. Being forced through a challenge is inevitable (even in Demon's you're going to run out of options), and necessary. Players that go through Blighttown from the front in their first Dark Souls playthrough will likely have an unforgettable experience, and that experience wouldn't be possible without limitations on warping.
Also, free warping makes the interconnected nature of a Dark Souls style world obsolete. When you can just skip from point to point, there's no point in creating many different paths. Like in Dark Souls II, the structure gets mostly destroyed. I can only hope that the warp points in this video are outliers in their proximity, and that the game will play around with whether warping is possible or not (In DSII I was totally expecting the ability to warp to be taken away at some point or even multiple points, but that never happened).
Not to mention that tying leveling to the hub in DSII was nothing but an annoyance. Here's hoping they don't do that again here.
Having some of my worst fears confirmed has made me pretty nervous. I hate to see this game fall just short of perfection.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
If this was the first footage of the game ever shown, maybe that disclaimer would be relevant, but since the comparisons being made are between several early builds shown over the last 6 months, it is still reasonable to try to compare them and determine what looks better and what looks worse.
I like your thoughts, but I hope the whole world tendency thing is just a visual aesthetic with maybe some minor gameplay differences. Just not on the level you suggest since that seems a bit punishing for being better whether early or late in the game.
My two cents on the matter
Primethius
Banned
The enemies talking is one of my favorite bits. Really brings it to life in a way.
I really don't know what to think yet since I don't want to spoil myself by watching the video, but there's really no reason for me not to expect a downgrade after what happened with Dark Souls 2. From just isn't that great at optimizing. I was hoping Sony was helping them with that, though.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
No, it does matter. People just choose to read/see what they want to see to promote an agenda. We can laugh about it all day, but in reality, it's pretty damn annoying.
You're desperate.
It is really not that bad. Plus people aren't factoring in any of the many possible explanations, such as the quality of IGNs capture, the effect of the sunset lighting on the textures, or how far back this build really goes.
People who played the alpha have seen the game with their own eyes. Why is this a question?
Maybe acknowledge that this is a different game from Dark Souls balanced in a different way and stop expecting it to be exactly the same as DS and writing the game off for it? Let the game speak for itself when it releases.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
For me this is one of the many reasons why Dark is superior to Demon's. The feeling you get when feeling trapped and then surpassing the obstacle is insanely good. In Demons you just go select another stage like a Megaman game.