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So, uh, Ollie survived getting slashed all over his body, stabbed in the chest with a huge ass sword and dropping from a cliff on penicillin tea. Not even Lazarus Pit ex machina.

I'm all about being comic booky and wallflipping at any given chance, but that was unreasonably silly even for Arrow.
 
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Step away Barry I got this
 
So they pussied out of using the lazarus pit, because being stabbed and dropping down a mountain and not dying is more believable?

Fuck these "realism" obsessed writers, especially when Flash is a reality now
 
On Arrow? Not that we've seen so far. I guess you could maybe make a case about Slade. But here the same principles apply. He was a part of super duper secret special ops group that ran around with half-orange masks and use damn swords. It's the same principle of above-human training an experience, only delivered to select few soldiers instead of select few vigilantes. Definitely not anything somebody like Diggle ever got a chance to take part off.

The whole point of those characters, whether it's Oliver, Slade or Malcom is that they go far beyond what's humanly possible. They are the exceptions to humanity's limits and this allows them to become superheroes or supervillains. What makes them super is being far above other humans in that world. If you would raise up competency level of other regular people, even soldiers, it would remove the "super" part from the equation. It would be regular action series instead of a superhero show.

There's nothing about Slade's spec ops group that points them out as "super duper secret" at all. For all we're told, it's just an Aussie Spec Ops unit. Diggle is former Army Special Forces, who do more extensive training that regular army units. His backstory includes having his unit ambushed in Afghanistan, all of them being killed. Diggle survived by killing every single assailant. He was also considered skilled enough that Waller put him in the Suicide Squad. In-show he's absolutely a cut above and as such should be portrayed as much more skilled than Laurel or Roy (even if you consider Roy's training with Ollie as Diggle has trained with him longer).

Arrow, Malcom, Slade (pre-mirakuru), and most of the League are not super human. They do not surpass human limits. They're simply trained more than most and that training includes a strengthening of spirit and determination. Ollie's beaten people he should have lost to repeatedly, not through super human feats but through his determination and willingness to put himself on the line. I feel like you're conflating comics with the tv show only when it's convenient.



And if they hope to not constantly get beaten like a child they train hand to hand combat all the time. Regular training you get in army won't do much when everybody you're facing has ten or twenty times as much time and effort into training.
Bassicaly regular soldiers have no chance at competing at MMA. Any success stories are about MMA fighters who also happen to be soldiers. Which means they still put insane ammount of effort into honing their hand to hand skillsets. Because what training they got from army alone just isn't anywhere near enough.

And I didn't see Diggle ever mentioning being MMA fighter. So all he got was regular ass marine training. So yeah, he's going to get steamrolled by peak human in a show like Arrow. Sara said that Leaugue folk make marines look like children. That's the gap in skillset that exist in superhero universes and it always has. This is why Batman couple times took on whole SWAT squad and managed to be victorious.

The point of my bringing up Active Duty soldier who have competed at professional levels of MMA is to point out that, these aren't even special forces soldiers. You're making statements about training that you have no context for. I mean first you say that military has very little hand-to-hand training and when I point out that that isn't at all true then you shift to saying (paraphrasing)"well they need extensive training outside of the military to hope not to lose." To even compete at a professional level you have to be in the upper echelon of the sport. And Colton Smith won The Ultimate Fighter and fought most of his professional fights without the aid of an outside training camp. He trained for those fights at the base he was stationed at, not in a professional MMA camp. These guys are not MMA fighters who happen to be Soldiers but Soldiers who happen to be MMA fighters. Being active duty means they still have day to day military responsibilities and they have to get special permission to even compete.

Members of the Special Forces go through even more training at even more extensive levels than a guy like Colton Smith would. They also train constantly (though in various areas). Whereas professional fighters go through cycles of intense training for a number of weeks in preparation for a fight and much lighter training when they don't have a fight coming up. Diggle being Special Forces puts him in the class of soldier whose skillset is wider and higher than most people on the planet. Of course comics being comics means that Heroes and Villains posses impossible skills and abilities but in regards to Arrrow as a show, Diggle's "Real World" training should still place him above nearly everyone who isn't on Mirakuru or in The League. And if Diggle's training is only "Comic Book" military, he should still be at a level comparable to Pre-Mirakuru Slade, Deadshot, or even higher considering he's been Ollie's training partner for the longest.

You can't just say "Well Diggle's training is the Real World equivalent and everyone else including Thea, Laruel, and Roy all have Comic Book equivalent training so Diggle is weakest." Not only is that a major inconsistency but it would still be inaccurate.
 
So they pussied out of using the lazarus pit, because being stabbed and dropping down a mountain and not dying is more believable?

Fuck these "realism" obsessed writers, especially when Flash is a reality now

The pit is supposed to be something rare, not thrown around like Oliie's mom where everyone gets a dip.

The cold temp would have helped keep him alive, the fall definitely was not friendly but he has been through worse and has superb conditioning.
He would not have lasted long. It is not that insane to grasp.
Leave the Lazarus Pit to have some mystique to it.
 
Cold, Heat Wave, Clock King, and Vertigo.....I'd watch that. Fox needs to sign the papers to just make a new season of Prison Break a crossover spectacular.

Oh man, putting Cold in prison and casting Dom Purcell as heat wave - they *have* to be thinking about doing this

a tribute / nod I mean. And if not (
I know they've already been broken out of the police van
) then they should do it in future!
 
The pit is supposed to be something rare, not thrown around like Oliie's mom where everyone gets a dip.

The cold temp would have helped keep him alive, the fall definitely was not friendly but he has been through worse and has superb conditioning.
He would not have lasted long. It is not that insane to grasp.
Leave the Lazarus Pit to have some mystique to it.

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FTFY. I saw him at my local comic shop in a two-pack with Arrow Oliver.

Figs based on realistic characters wig me. I prefer mine to look as fictional as possible.

You didn't fix it actually, the specific line of collectibles I posted up: Dark Archer, Slade Deathstroke and a few others isn't launching til May. The one you saw is an older set which is actually Billy Wintergreen Deathstroke :)
 
You didn't fix it actually, the specific line of collectibles I posted up: Dark Archer, Slade Deathstroke and a few others isn't launching til May. The one you saw is an older set which is actually Billy Wintergreen Deathstroke :)

Well then my mistake. This one is different.

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I would love to get Hot Toys line of TDKR collectibles but figures in general are such a waste of money and space I can't justify it. So much else that's more important.

The Arrowverse lines are like $20 a piece though so I might get some of those. There's a Flash too.

 
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