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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/04/top-islamic-authority-calls-for-crucifying-and-chopping-the-limbs-off-islamic-state-terrorists/

The Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar Ahmed al-Tayib issued a statement following the burning alive of Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh saying the brutal act “requires the punishment mentioned in the Koran for these corrupt oppressors who fight against God and his prophet: killing, crucifixion or chopping of the limbs,” Agence France-Presse reported.

This is why religion baffles me. This is why Islam doesnt seem like a peaceful religion to a lot. The supposed moderate practitioners of Islam are using the Koran to call for torture and execution of people who are "corrupt oppresors" and people "fighting against God".

Who determines what constitutes those crimes? Doesnt this seem fucking bizarre to anyone else? Corrupt oppresors and fighters against God sound like babble from ISIS members themselves. Since as pointed out to me in another thread that the Koran can in no way ever be altered, are vague crimes the only crimes that can be described under Sharia law?

 

[DrGonzo615]

So when that happens who is going to call for the crucifixion of the people who chopped the limbs off the ISIS militants?

 

[Stinkles]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/04/top-islamic-authority-calls-for-crucifying-and-chopping-the-limbs-off-islamic-state-terrorists/



This is why religion baffles me. This is why Islam doesnt seem like a peaceful religion to a lot. The supposed moderate practitioners of Islam are using the Koran to call for torture and execution of people who are "corrupt oppresors" and people "fighting against God".

Who determines what constitutes those crimes? Doesnt this seem fucking bizarre to anyone else? Corrupt oppresors and fighters against God sound like babble from ISIS members themselves. Since as pointed out to me in another thread that the Koran can in no way ever be altered, are vague crimes the only crimes that can be described under Sharia law?

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

 

[Wreav]

It's shocking so many of them could be addicted to the internet, when so few have access to it.

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

My impression is that crucifixion was banned in the Catholic church, and wasn't practiced by Muslims either. I don't remember mentions of Islamic societies ever crucifying anyone.

 

[slit]

So when that happens who is going to call for the crucifixion of the people who chopped the limbs off the ISIS militants?

Well people all around the world have called for more than just cutting off their limbs.

 

[jelly]

I can't help but think, Life of Brian.

 

[funkypie]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

It took two posts for the Islam apologists to start comparing Islam/quaran to the old testament.

 

[Xcellere]

Paging Maninthemirror, your rebuttal is needed on Aisle 5.

 

[Mecha]

I would prefer it if they just let their god do whatever they think he does in the afterlife to "sinners" instead of killing people.

 

[Coins]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

Dont get me wrong, Christianity is some bullshit too, but our laws are very defined, dont come from the bible and we dont punish people according to the old Testament.

 

[DrGonzo615]

Well people all around the world have called for more than just cutting off their limbs.

Yeah, what Im getting at is that ISIS burned that pilot based on supposedly religious grounds and now this guy is calling for the ISIS militants deaths or maiming on religious grounds and this will continue to infinity because there will always be somebody else claiming religious superiority.

 

[googleplex]

It took two posts for the Islam apologists to start comparing Islam/quaran to the old testament.

And this is what it's come to huh? Islam apologists? Really?

 

[lastplayed]

I can't help but think, Life of Brian.

 

[SystemBug]

Paging Maninthemirror, your rebuttal is needed on Aisle 5.

Well how is this any different than people who here who applaud when bombs are dropped on ISIS? That shit rips a body apart lol

 

[ponpo]

Crucifixtion for some, dismemberment for others.

 

[Grym]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

The bible is full of bullshit too. The difference is christianity doesn't have the pope or cardinals calling to kill people based on combining cotton and silk because the bible says so

That said, I'm not singling out Islam. All major religions have some very dark sides

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

I still can't believe in this age of science we have leaders/followers of ancient texts and religions, from a different time, who act out against each other with zero common sense or morality. It baffles me.

 

[IndoAssassin]

You should visit the golden temple sometime. There's an area there with art depicting the various torturous methods the mughals used to get people to convert to Islam.

 

[googleplex]

Well how is this any different than people who here who applaud when bombs are dropped on ISIS? That shit rips a body apart lol

It's not. But dropping drones and bombs from a distance possible killing innocent people is some how less Barbaric when you do it to brown people and in the name of patriotism and not in the name of God.

 

[esms]

"An eye for an eye..." - Gandhi

At least I think that's how that goes.

 

[Log4Girlz]

I boil lambs in their mother's milk. Hell is going to be great.

 

[Stereogatari]

I think people are reading too much into it. The guy is outraged about ISIS and since he's a religious scholar he resorted to bringing up outdated Quranic punishments that wouldn't fly under Egyptian law anyway. Is it any different to if someone said "We should glass ISIS"?

You should visit the golden temple sometime. There's an area there with art depicting the various torturous methods the mughals used to get people to convert to Islam.

Some Sikh friends have told me about that. Sounds horrible like what the Spanish Catholics did to Spanish Muslims and Jews.

 

[ntropy]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

dat white guilt

 

[see5harp]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

Well to be fair that is pretty fucking heinous crime. There should be something about linen pants in there too. Seriously unless you're in an R&B group shooting somewhere in the desert fuck linen pants.

 

[DrGonzo615]

It's not. But dropping drones and bombs from a distance possible killing innocent people is some how less Barbaric when you do it to brown people and in the name of patriotism and not in the name of God.

Thats one way to look at it. The other is that these cowards hide among the civilian population knowing that the collateral damage can be easily used to flame more hatred towards the US and other allies.

 

[braves01]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

Hey, mankind was made in God's image. He just wants to make sure live up to that standard by looking fabulous and not committing fashion faux pas.

 

[SnakeSlashRO]

This is why religion baffles me.

Because Islam speaks for all religion! Yep, close thread. -_-

 

[Toxi]

Torture is wrong and should never be used as punishment. That sort of barbaric eye for an eye shit makes the punisher little better than the criminal.

This isn't the first person to wish torture on members of ISIS; I've seen posts like that on NeoGAF. It's understandable why people say those things, because these are horrible people who need to be stopped, but going from merely killing them to torturing them for satisfaction does nothing.

 

[m_shortpants]

Crucifixion is the punishment for what we today call terrorists, in the Quran. People who sow chaos throughout the land. Basically, ISIS.

I mean, I see posts here on GAF saying we should bomb them out of existence. I don't really think either is any better.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I like this one:

Saudi cleric Salman al-Odah wrote on his Twitter account: "Burning is an abominable crime rejected by Islamic law regardless of its causes."

"It is rejected whether it falls on an individual or a group or a people. Only God tortures by fire," he added.

Don't do that, only God does that!

 

[Cyan]

Sounds like your standard Yahoo commenter.

 

[Ahasverus]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

False equivalence. There aren't people being killed for wesaring silk and cotton.

 

[jchap]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

Could you kindly point out what verse this is?

Edit: I think I found it... Leviticus 19:19. Ironically it is preceded by a commandment not to bear a grudge or seek revenge.

18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

19 “‘Keep my decrees.

“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

Strangely enough I don't see the death penalty part.

 

[cheststrongwell]

I'd be happy with hellfire.

 

[ponpo]

Could you kindly point out what verse this is?

If there's such a verse then I'm guessing Deuteronomy or Leviticus.

 

[Stereogatari]

I like this one:



Don't do that, only God does that!

While it is hillarious, I feel like it's a shame we're taking potshots like this towards people expressing outrage towards ISIS. Like I don't know, I'm not saying we should celebrate their opinions, but we should at least think "well that's kind of good that they're speaking out".

 

[Gormless Noodle]

Could you kindly point out what verse this is?

Deuteronomy 22:11

You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together

Woops, beaten by stealth edit.

 

[Red Liquorice]

Isn't this kind of response just part of the same problem? It's all coming from that same place of retribution which only ever brings more of the same.

 

[ponpo]

Could you kindly point out what verse this is?

Edit: I think I found it... Leviticus 19:19. Ironically it is preceded by a commandment not to bear a grudge or seek revenge.



Strangely enough I don't see the death penalty part.

Deuteronomy 22:11


Woops, beaten by stealth edit.

This doesn't call for the death of the person, though.

If you want that, look at the next verse in Deuteronomy which advises stoning your wife to death if she's not a virgin when you marry her.

 

[jchap]

This doesn't call for the death of the person, though.

If you want that, look at the next verse in Deuteronomy which advises stoning your wife to death if she's not a virgin when you marry her.

Stone her unless her father can prove she was a virgin in which case the false accuser gets fined and can never divorce. Some funny stuff in the old testament.

 

[Kurdel]

It's not. But dropping drones and bombs from a distance possible killing innocent people is some how less Barbaric when you do it to brown people and in the name of patriotism and not in the name of God.

What are you talking about? Which bombings were done in the name of patriotism?

 

[m_shortpants]

What are you talking about? Which bombings were done in the name of patriotism?

Maybe not specifically patriotism, but there has been a lot of innocent blood lost in America's zero accountability drone policy over the past few years.

 

[slit]

Well it seems to me from that article they seem to be caught up with how ISIS killed the pilot with fire.

While terrible that's not the only thing they're doing.

 

[Deleted member 309291]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

Yeah, but the bible is not the one being misinterpeted to condone this kind of behavior.

 

[Anon67]

"An eye for an eye..." - Gandhi

At least I think that's how that goes.

Not Gandhi lolol.

An eye for an eye

 

[Stereogatari]

Yeah, but the bible is not the one being misinterpeted to condone this kind of behavior.

That's why the discussions should be less about the religious texts and more about the societies around them. We need to recreate a butterfly effect in the Muslim World, the one that caused Christendom to lay off religion.

Not Gandhi lolol.

An eye for an eye

He was making a joke. Gandhi said "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".

 

[Violet_0]

He was making a joke. Gandhi said "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".

but then he nukes you

 

[markot]

Crucifixion is the punishment for what we today call terrorists, in the Quran. People who sow chaos throughout the land. Basically, ISIS.

I mean, I see posts here on GAF saying we should bomb them out of existence. I don't really think either is any better.

You dont think much then.

Combat to stop something is not like cruelty to punish someone.

Killing a Nazi while in combat is different to shooting him in the head when he has surrendered or been captured.

That's why the discussions should be less about the religious texts and more about the societies around them. We need to recreate a butterfly effect in the Muslim World, the one that caused Christendom to lay off religion.

When Islam claims that the text are the unalterable word of god, the texts themselves need to be criticized. When a bible basher claims that we need the live biblically, or uses the bible to support a law against gay marriage for instance. We cant pretend that the text is irrelavent.

 

[seanoff]

Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus not the old testament.

jesus message was the old ways didnt fly, do this. "Christians" that pay any heed to the old testament as a way to live are missing the fucking point, totally.

The old testament is there partly as history, partly as an example of what not to do. Read the gospels and forward and follow that. Even boil it down to the sermon on the mount. Do that.