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Cat avatar, where art thou?

I'm assuming this Grand Sheikh is not a true Muslim or something.

 

[Anon67]

He was making a joke. Gandhi said "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".

Oh. Well...okay.

 

[Kurdel]

Maybe not specifically patriotism, but there has been a lot of innocent blood lost in America's zero accountability drone policy over the past few years.

What is the link between calls for crucifixion and US drone attacks? Did you read the OP?

 

[ponpo]

Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus not the old testament.

jesus message was the old ways didnt fly, do this. "Christians" that pay any heed to the old testament as a way to live are missing the fucking point, totally.

The old testament is there partly as history, partly as an example of what not to do. Read the gospels and forward and follow that. Even boil it down to the sermon on the mount. Do that.

But Paul returned a slave to its owner and even Deuteronomy says just let the slave live with you

 

[Stereogatari]

Cat avatar, where art thou?

I'm assuming this Grand Sheikh is not a true Muslim or something.

I thought he was a criticizer of Islam?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Maybe not specifically patriotism, but there has been a lot of innocent blood lost in America's zero accountability drone policy over the past few years.

Innocent blood was shed by drones. That's undeniable. It's horrible. It is a combat zone. It's not their fault they were killed. It's on both the target and the attacker. This is just what happens in a combat zone. I don't doubt most sane leaders would be up for a clean war of attacker vs attacker but that just does not happen.

Dismemberment and crucifixion? I see their going for cruel and unusual. Let's hope his followers don't start spreading that even further.

 

[orochi91]

This seems rather inefficient.

A bullet to the head of these ISIS folks would suffice :/

 

[Gormless Noodle]

Cat avatar, where art thou?

I'm assuming this Grand Sheikh is not a true Muslim or something.

He's a Grand Imam, considered by some to be one of the higher authorities in the Sunni Muslim world from what I've read.

.....What? I got a cat avatar too.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

well, finally something I can agree on with these religious extremists!

False equivalence. There aren't people being killed for wesaring silk and cotton.

well they should! you should also be put to death for wearing white after Labor day.

 

[Maninthemirror]

As Daesh followers are committing acts with no mercy and only evil, the only way to deal with them is to kill them in the battlefield or when they surrender prosecute them and put them either in jail or punish them how killers are punished in Iraq or Syria or Jordan, hanging.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

As Daesh followers are committing acts with no mercy and only evil, the only way to deal with them is to kill them in the battlefield or when they surrender prosecute them and put them either in jail or punish them how killers are punished in Iraq or Syria or Jordan, hanging.

So... an eye for an eye?

 

[Maninthemirror]

So... an eye for an eye?

For Daesh, you reap what you sow. Islam does say forgive people who truly repent may be forgiven but these are not people who truly would repent as islam says true repentance is only from those who repent immediately after a crime was committed. Murder is not a crime which can be repent neither is theft so yes, if you want to call it that. Justice needs to be taken by mass courts or in battlefield

 

[Subpar Spatula]

For Daesh, you reap what you sow. Islam does say forgive people who truly repent may be forgiven but these are not people who truly would repent as islam says true repentance is only from those who repent immediately after a crime was committed. Murder is not a crime which can be repent neither is theft so yes, if you want to call it that. Justice needs to be taken by mass courts or in battlefield

Oh I truly hope you don't believe this. Theft is a crime you cannot repent? THEFT?!

I really do hope you don't believe that.

 

[gutter_trash]

How are they supposed to crucify someone if they chopp off their limbs?

 

[The Adder]

*Enters ISIS burns Jordanian pilot topic*

*Sees people calling for all manner of torment to be visited upon Daesh*

*Enters topic about Islamic leader calling for torment to be visited upon Daesh.*

*"This is why religion baffles me"*

... The fuck?

 

[Maninthemirror]

Oh I truly hope you don't believe this. Theft is a crime you cannot repent? THEFT?!

I really do hope you don't believe that.

Well theft requires a punishment not by death but whatever the society's law is , same as murder, similar to the laws here in US. You don't let someone go free if they don't immediately repent to a crime do they there is some form of punishment even a probation is a sort of punishment but theft is a crime which has no repentance even immediate so there must be punishment even if it's probation. Islam views the value of life extremely high and value of personal property high so it's a personal choice of the courts to decide about form of punishment as long as it fits the crime. As islam also says don't exceed the bounds and limits of punishment of crimes

 

[legend166]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

[citation needed]

The OT does not suggest death for mixing wool and linen (not cotton and silk). It says not to do it - but doesn't give a penalty. And considering the OT is pretty clear on when the death penalty is applied, I'd say it wasn't to be applied for mixing wool and linen.

There's several theories as to why that particular command was there:

- The outfit of the priests included a linen garment and and woolen garment. Much like how people today aren't allowed to dress up as a police officer, it's possible this was to stop people from dressing up in the outfit of a priest to impersonate them.

- To set the Israelites apart from the Caananites:

These and other prohibitions were designed to forbid the Israelites to engage in fertility cult practices of the Canaanites. The Canaanites believed in sympathetic magic, the idea that symbolic actions can influence the gods and nature…. Mixing animal breeds, seeds, or materials was thought to “marry” them” so as magically to produce “offspring,” that is, agricultural bounty in the future.

- Or simply because wool and linen don't mix in the same garment. They'll shrink different after you wash them and become messed up. So it simply may have been essentially a practical fashion tip.

Anyway, the point is there was no death penalty associated with it.

 

[HiredN00bs]

Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus not the old testament.

jesus message was the old ways didnt fly, do this. "Christians" that pay any heed to the old testament as a way to live are missing the fucking point, totally.

The old testament is there partly as history, partly as an example of what not to do. Read the gospels and forward and follow that. Even boil it down to the sermon on the mount. Do that.

Jesus was all about love, and sending people to an eternity of suffering for thought crimes, but mostly love.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

This isn't the first person to wish torture on members of ISIS; I've seen posts like that on NeoGAF. It's understandable why people say those things, because these are horrible people who need to be stopped, but going from merely killing them to torturing them for satisfaction does nothing.

Words of wisdom. Thanks you, I was almost beginning to think we were collectively going insane.
Well, more insane that we already are.

 

[terrene]

So the moderate view is, "How dare you burn people, we're going to chop your arms off!"

Great.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

I would argue against that but he's talking about ISIS, they deserve a punishment that represents their era not ours.

 

[Maninthemirror]

So the moderate view is, "How dare you burn people, we're going to chop your arms off!"

Great.

How many gaffers did you call out in that thread where bombs were being dropped on Daesh members and they said this is what they deserve?

 

[CadetMahoney]

*Enters ISIS burns Jordanian pilot topic*

*Sees people calling for all manner of torment to be visited upon Daesh*

*Enters topic about Islamic leader calling for torment to be visited upon Daesh.*

*"This is why religion baffles me"*

... The fuck?

yes, there where quite a few saying that in that thread.

 

[FZZ]

Do people purposefully spell the Qur'an as Koran to annoy Muslims?

Hell even Quran is acceptable. Fuck the apostrophe. This isn't even relevant to the topic, but the OP got me fixated.

 

[Stinkles]

Haha, first time I've been called a Muslim apologist, or a white guilter.

 

[terrene]

How many gaffers did you call out in that thread where bombs were being dropped on Daesh members and they said this is what they deserve?

Zero, because I don't care what happens to ISIS, who is already set on murdering "apostates," and dropping bombs is not mutilating and maiming out of bloodlust revenge.

I also opposed torture at Guantanamo Bay and favored killing Al Qaeda leaders in combat. Tell me if you can spot any of the differences I am finding between these situations.

hint:

Spoiler

self defense and revenge torture

 

[xbhaskarx]

*Enters ISIS burns Jordanian pilot topic*

*Sees people calling for all manner of torment to be visited upon Daesh*

*Enters topic about Islamic leader calling for torment to be visited upon Daesh.*

*"This is why religion baffles me"*

... The fuck?

People want them to suffer horrific deaths but not based on religious reasons?

 

[Stinkles]

People want them to suffer horrific deaths but not based on religious reasons?

I like my murderers electrocuted.

 

[m_shortpants]

Zero, because I don't care what happens to ISIS, who is already set on murdering "apostates," and dropping bombs is not mutilating and maiming out of bloodlust revenge.

I also opposed torture at Guantanamo Bay and favored killing Al Qaeda leaders in combat. Tell me if you can spot any of the differences I am finding between these situations.

hint:

Spoiler

self defense and revenge torture

I think the intention is capital punishment, not revenge torture.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

You ar not supposed to follow this books literally, protestants with their obsession on Israel is another example

 

[terrene]

I think the intention is capital punishment, not revenge torture.

It takes more than proper sponsorship for something to avoid being classified as torture.

 

[Stinkles]

You ar not supposed to follow this books literally, protestants with their obsession on Israel is another example

I know or we'd all be dead, me, my Muslim and Christian and Jewish friends, mostly by stoning. Rational people can be religious and rational too.

 

[Jag]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

Except the Quaran is still being strictly followed and people are being murdered because of it. I'm not seeing high level religious leaders of Abrahamic religions calling for burnt offerings. (except maybe that nutter Pastor in Florida, but I don't think he burned anything except a book).

I mean, fuck all religions, but seriously fuck the religion that tells you to go kill innocent people.

Those ancient dudes made this stuff up because they didn't know how the world worked. We are supposed to be a bit smarter now.

 

[RustyNails]

I would argue against that but he's talking about ISIS, they deserve a punishment that represents their era not ours.

.

Live by the sword die by it.

 

[RustyNails]

OP, was it hard to leave off "ISIS executioners" from the OP? I feel like people suddenly want to overlook Daeshbags for an opportunity here.

 

[The Adder]

People want them to suffer horrific deaths but not based on religious reasons?

Sounds pretty stupid to me. "You've crossed my moral line enough for me to wish really awful things happen to you. But the fact that you've also crossed THEIR moral line makes no sense!"

 

[Coins]

OP, was it hard to leave off "ISIS executioners" from the OP? I feel like people suddenly want to overlook Daeshbags for an opportunity here.

Yes it was. Thread titles have character count limitations. We all knew who I was referring to.

 

[funkypie]

Haha, first time I've been called a Muslim apologist, or a white guilter.

why even bring up the old testament then? this discussion has nothing to do with Christianity.

 

[Joni]

The Quran doesn't have the Abrahamic monopoly on cruelty. The old testament has far crazier shit in it. Quaran, for example doesn't suggest death for wearing cotton and silk at the same time.

Okay, now show the current religious leaders calling for the execution of people wearing cotton and salk at the same time. I must have missed the pope on that message.

Do people purposefully spell the Qur'an as Koran to annoy Muslims?

Hell even Quran is acceptable. Fuck the apostrophe. This isn't even relevant to the topic, but the OP got me fixated.

It is the problem of Arab - English translation. Qur'an, Koran, Quran are all valid translations due to differences in alphabet.

 

[Lone Wolf]

why even bring up the old testament then? this discussion has nothing to do with Christianity.

because Islam cannot ever be argued on its own merits, or stand on its own, it needs a constant comparison to the Old Testament, even though no one is actually committing acts in the name of said scripture.

 

[neorej]

Okay, now show the current religious leaders calling for the execution of people wearing cotton and salk at the same time. I must have missed the pope on that message.

It's in the upcoming Eastern sermon.

 

[Winterfang]

Why are you cruxifying someone in this decade. That was declared barbaric even by 2000 years ago standards!!!

 

[Drifters]

Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus not the old testament.

jesus message was the old ways didnt fly, do this. "Christians" that pay any heed to the old testament as a way to live are missing the fucking point, totally.

The old testament is there partly as history, partly as an example of what not to do. Read the gospels and forward and follow that. Even boil it down to the sermon on the mount. Do that.

Being a follower of Jesus.... I just...this post....no.

Christianity is about the story of restored relationship through various trials, laws and of course Jesus; to God of which that relationship was broken. Jesus' message was that the laws were Gods way of relating to people by statement of creed through acts or deeds. Jesus was the fulfilment of the Abrahamic law by which grace washed over all states of religious place in the world.

Back to this topic tho, I think violence against violence is the age old paradigm that we will never outgrow. Continued escalation unfortunately seems to be the end game.

 

[Frodo]

If I can choose I want to be dismembered. Crucifixion seems to take a while to kill you. Although it is quite symbolic... So... I dunno. Will have to think about it.

 

[Jotaka]

Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus not the old testament.

jesus message was the old ways didnt fly, do this. "Christians" that pay any heed to the old testament as a way to live are missing the fucking point, totally.

The old testament is there partly as history, partly as an example of what not to do. Read the gospels and forward and follow that. Even boil it down to the sermon on the mount. Do that.

Matthew 5

5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

More love @ http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html

 

[Jackpot]

It took two posts for the Islam apologists to start comparing Islam/quaran to the old testament.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[DragonSworne]

Who claims that Saudi Arabia is moderate?

 

[Winterfang]

If I can choose I want to be dismembered. Crucifixion seems to take a while to kill you. Although it is quite symbolic... So... I dunno. Will have to think about it.

You do not want to be crucified. You will end up dehydrated and bitting your tongue to drink your own blood.

 

[MilkyJoe]

I can't help but think, Life of Brian.

first thing I thought was...

You do not want to be crucified. You will end up dehydrated and bitting your tongue to drink your own blood.

At least it gets you in the open air...

 

[kruis]

Do people purposefully spell the Qur'an as Koran to annoy Muslims?

Hell even Quran is acceptable. Fuck the apostrophe. This isn't even relevant to the topic, but the OP got me fixated.

Koran is the correct English spelling. I have no idea what your point is.