Dear Kanye, please fall off of my face. Signed ... Some dude

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I have heard of Kanye (it looks like he's popular on GAF), but I've never actually heard him sing.
The only thing, and I'm not sure about this so please don't hate if I'm wrong, is that he did a little cameo in that E.T Kate Perry song?

As such, I cannot hate or love this man, only remain ambivalent towards him.
 
Marketing is hard work, so hard work did get him there.



You're salty as fuck dude. I can tell you have no idea what goes into music production and how good you have to be to put out consistent hit after hit.

Must be a miserable thing to have all that irrational hate for another human being
 
OP finds Kanye West fucking around to be racist, but will defend racist and homophobic The Duck Dinasty guy to the death because thats not racism...thats just "freedom of speech"

Get the fuck outta here.


This is the reason that Kanye doesn't offend me. The abstract morality of the OP reveals Kanye isn't racist but he doesn't like the guy. The alternative post title that avoids any derailing: Kanye is an asshole and I don't like him. No one derails this alternate post title but the OP left himself wide open for criticism.
 
I love Beck, but I don't think Beck has been culturally relevant since Sea Change. It's not hard to see how someone who started listening to music intensely in the mid-2000s or later (or even earlier) wouldn't know who Beck is.
 
Eh. He took that bit of rushing the stage from ODB anyway. Dude is more annoying than entertaining.

I wonder if Dirty was still here and did that shit would folks still complain.



I miss ODB :(...dude would get up on stage and enlighten the masses that Wu Tang Clan is still for the children.
 
It's pretty disgusting what he said about Beck, considering Beck has been on the scene for a long long time, has explored many styles of music, is a well rounded off actual musician and is known to be an all around nice guy.

Kanye is losing steam, and it does not help that he is married into the whole Kardarshian family who has been treating Bruce Jenner as if he was damaging to their 'brand name' because of his transgender transformation. Their mom (who was married to Bruce) had the guts to pretend that she just had learned about his transition as of last week even if its been known for years. They also treated one of their own brother/son as a leper because he was suffering from a hardcore depression that led to drug issues and weight gain. They actually prevented him from appearing into wedding pics and removed him from promo material because of that.

They're like a greasy real world version of the Lannisters.
 
Yeah, seems to only jump on stage when white acts win something he thinks a black artist (Beyonce) should win.

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I just thought it was funny, him needing an introduction.

Beck hasn't been commercially relevant for longer than a decade now. "Nobody knows Beck isn't' hyperbole.

They probably did the same thing for Bon Iver and Arcade Fire and are probably having to filter a bunch of e-mail's regarding St. Vincent right now. It doesn't concern me whether they are commercially relevant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck's_Record_Club#Musicians

look at just random shit non commercial shit Beck has done over the years and the artists he's worked with. Should I care whether some 16 year old girl doesn't know who Tortoise is or why covering Yanni Live at the Acropolis is hilarious?
 
This is the reason that Kanye doesn't offend me. The abstract morality of the OP reveals Kanye isn't racist but he doesn't like the guy. The alternative post title that avoids any derailing: Kanye is an asshole and I don't like him. No one derails this alternate post title but the OP left himself wide open for criticism.

This is pretty much my thoughts on the matter. Don't like him. Recognize his talent.

OP finds Kanye West fucking around to be racist, but will defend racist and homophobic The Duck Dinasty guy to the death because thats not racism...thats just "freedom of speech"

Get the fuck outta here.


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Ouch.
 
The only thing that proves is YOU don't know music outside of a small mainstream pop circle you follow, not that "no one knows who Beck is".

are these awards designed for the top seller or the best music?

it's like the Oscars, the Best Movie won't necessarily be the best seller, if it was then Michael Bay would be an Oscar king
 
I love Beck, but I don't think Beck has been culturally relevant since Sea Change. It's not hard to see how someone who started listening to music intensely in the mid-2000s or later (or even earlier) wouldn't know who Beck is.
the other artists nominated have no business winning a best album award, regardless of where the award is coming from.

Morning Phase was not the best album released last year, but in face of what it was going up against, it was the only credible choice.
 
the other artists nominated have no business winning a best album award, regardless of where the award is coming from.

Morning Phase was not the best album released last year, but in face of what it was going up against, it was the only credible choice.
I disagree, I thought Beyonce's album was better than Morning Phase.
 
So you automatically know what he listens to? Lmao! Okay!

Yup.

are these awards designed for the top seller or the best music?

it's like the Oscars, the Best Movie won't necessarily be the best seller, if it was then Michael Bay would be an Oscar king

Ideally what they think is the best music. Some people here seem to think that sales and "impact" should be as highly rewarded as well, but that is something for them to answer. I can't really say. Not my awards :P
 
the other artists nominated have no business winning a best album award, regardless of where the award is coming from.

Morning Phase was not the best album released last year, but in face of what it was going up against, it was the only credible choice.

I think Beyoncé deserved the nomination but those other three kind of prove what a joke the Grammys have become. Why are we arguing about who won again?
 
the other artists nominated have no business winning a best album award, regardless of where the award is coming from.

Morning Phase was not the best album released last year, but in face of what it was going up against, it was the only credible choice.

This is an amazingly dismissive post
 
Controversial statement incoming:

I think both Beck and Kanye are awesome.

No! Don't you understand? Music is a competition! You can only only like one thing. Everybody with a different musical taste than me is a moron who clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.
 
Yup.



Ideally what they think is the best music. Some people here seem to think that sales and "impact" should be as highly rewarded as well, but that is something for them to answer. I can't really say. Not my awards :P

Well I mean looking at the nominations in various categories that IS what the Grammys rewards.

How else does anyone explain 'All About That Bass' being nominated at all?
 
yeah like people have posted Beck liked to fuck around in the 90s too. This is a man who spent years messing around with messed up anti-folk/hip-hop and then played James Brown on an electronic soul record. Dude can roll with Kanye being prickly for the cameras.
OP finds Kanye West fucking around to be racist, but will defend racist and homophobic The Duck Dinasty guy to the death because thats not racism...thats just "freedom of speech"

Get the fuck outta here.

l m a o I don't think I've seen an op outed as so thoroughly unworthy of being heard in a long time
I just thought it was funny, him needing an introduction.

Beck hasn't been (commercially) relevant for longer than a decade now. "Nobody knows Beck isn't' hyperbole.
fam Beck's two highest charting albums in the US have come from the last decade. granted it's in the rock/alternative arena-- it's an entirely different ballgame than pop and top 40, and a much smaller and more fragmented one. but not commercially relevant? That he's near the top of that sphere at all means you're just wrong. maybe you're just arguing that comparatively rock and alt aren't commercially relevant anymore, which is true. but in that area beck is a heavy hitter.
 
the other artists nominated have no business winning a best album award, regardless of where the award is coming from.

Morning Phase was not the best album released last year, but in face of what it was going up against, it was the only credible choice.

Beyoncé is a critically acclaimed album though whether you like her or not.
 
I wish Kanye would stand up for Janelle Monae half as hard as he does for Beyonce.

Word.

Does Beyoncé or Jay even stand up for him like he does for them?

Jay did say he would go to bat for Ye when he did his thing to Taylor Swift and 50 responded saying he (Ye) wouldn't do that to him.

And on wax he did say if you run up Ye the wrong way he'd totes murk you....but I'm sure he's also said that to Beans and Dame at some point, so take that with a grain of salt.
 
I have heard of Kanye (it looks like he's popular on GAF), but I've never actually heard him sing.
The only thing, and I'm not sure about this so please don't hate if I'm wrong, is that he did a little cameo in that E.T Kate Perry song?

As such, I cannot hate or love this man, only remain ambivalent towards him.
...but you will post about a guy you know nothing about and have strong feelings toward, in a thread about how much some guy dislikes him.
 
Do we both live in America? America is the land of the "everyone is awesome," and "you can't judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree." If anything, America is, overall, way too proud and not humble enough.

Maybe you're right, maybe his music wouldn't be the way it is if his personality was different. If that's the case, then oh well. I don't actually know how much of "being an insufferable idiot" is relevant to his musical ability, so... /shrug.

Chick Fil A may have tasty chicken sandwiches, but because of other non-taste issues I stopped eating there. I do listen to Kanye still, but it's not that hard to see why his personality may turn others off to his music.
Well, I don't live in America, but I would still say that North American societal norms favour humility instead of bragging about yourself, nationalism/patriotism is a whole other monster that is it's whole other monster and kind of specific in terms of social interactions.

I definitely feel he has his idiotic moments (Obama/Michelle stuff, most notably) but they're not as frequent as the public perception seems to categorize, he just doesn't hold his tongue; and that doesn't make him an idiot necessarily in an industry that tells you shut up and smile as you are lathered with prejudice. And I really do think the positives far outweigh the negatives here.

Ye that dude who said what everybody was feeling about Bush out loud. Being expressive or idiocy?
Ye that dude who jumped on a table and started rapping in front of Jay when they were only there to hear him play beats. Bravery or idiocy?
Ye that dude that was low key questioning White appropriation of Black culture during his career and hit a head a few years ago because of his fashion frustration, leading him to recently accuse gatekeepers by name of institutionalized racism. Being passionate or accusatory and idiotic?

And that's all reflected in his music, from breaking onto the scene to today. But ultimately, if he's ruffling feathers and offending people, I really do think he's doing his job. Things would be amiss if there was no one left for him to challenge. Kanye is the villain hip-hop needs, if it wasn't for that, he wouldn't have pushed the culture in the way he has, helping break race, genre and even gender/sexuality expectations. I think it's difficult and potentially impossible to quantify, but Ye is a cultural force and that's not just his talent but his ability to cross a line somewhere that people told him he shouldn't cross. He's not even really a villain because anyone who has a slight grasp of how hip-hop has evolved over time knows his contributions.
 
Yeah, seems to only jump on stage when white acts win something he thinks a black artist (Beyonce) should win.

Are you sure it isn't because he really likes beyonce and not because she's black? I mean it seems like you and the OP are reading too much into. If he did it for other black artist you would have a point.
 
Well I mean looking at the nominations in various categories that IS what the Grammys rewards.

How else does anyone explain 'All About That Bass' being nominated at all?

I dunno. If that is what they are going for, by all means, do and reward sales and impact consistently. I really don't care who wins. I just think it's kind of dumb that people (a person?) are pretending no one knows who Beck is and that is why he shouldn't have won.

Kanye is a dick too, but what else is new. His "respect artistry" comment is way out of line.
 
I dunno. If that is what they are going for, by all means, do and reward sales and impact consistently. I really don't care who wins.

I just think it's kind of dumb that people (a person?) are pretending no one knows who Beck is and that is why he shouldn't have won.

Color me surprised a poster called Beysus is defending Beyoncé and not Beck.
 
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