MrMatt555
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Hey! I actually liked nuts and bolts!
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Rare + Microsoft planning to unveil MULTIPLE new projects (Update on Twisted Pixel)
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Hey! I actually liked nuts and bolts!
Your avatar is next-level - one of the best games of all time!!!
Sorry for going OT, just overwhelmed with a flashback.
We need a new platformer! bring back Banjo!
Playtonic has more proven talent than Zoonami had. They're still missing some of the key people behind the original Banjo games, but it looks like the studio is off to a promising start.
It's not a bad idea to keep your expectations in check though.
Salt with a side of delusion.
IncognitoPanda
Member
PDZ was bad and BK: N&B was not most people wanted, but it wasn't bad, it was a good game for what it did. Killer Instinct is great! There isn't a big track record to judge Microsoft ruining Rare IP's.
With Battletoads and a likely Banjo, they will have to prove themselves, and it will likely decide if they're capable or not, but it's too early to say, I think.
bruh, killer instinct
ChosenPredator
Banned
people always ignore killer instinct for some reason the game is really really good and it's a great start
(when insulting rare saying they are killing ips and such)
Steverulez
Member
It is a shame we always get the same thing in Rare threads. MS bought them 13 years ago, time to get over it.
They've made older IP games, they've made new IP, they've changed when they needed to and Killer Instinct would serve to reasonable people as to what can be done in their IP
bu bu but theres no-one left at Rare! They're an empty shell! They're dead!
Yet Killer Instinct is good and was overseen by Ken Lobb and didn't have Rare making it, who knew there were other talented people in the industry?! Surely if the argument is that no-one left from the old days is at Rare - incorrect in itself, yet another team who isn't the old Rare can make a game in a Rare IP that is perfectly good, whats the difference between that and the people at Rare now? Oh wait, there isn't.
IncognitoPanda
Member
Me too. To be fair, going back to playing Kameo is a test in patience, it has a lot of problems with being unfair, it hasn't aged well, imo. With that said, I think it can easily come back and be great, I dig the IP, it's very Rare! It has a lot of potential with taking control of all the different monsters/avatars with unique abilities, platforming, large scale battles, etc. I wouldn't mind something along the lines of a reboot or overhaul, though.
Not that I would drastically want to change the franchise, but Kameo could be this! All new types of monsters/avatars you can turn into. I haven't played Skylanders, I just know of the business model with small figurines and new characters added often. I'm assuming there are new levels as well? Otherwise, I would like to see a game with Microsoft IP characters in the same game, with that type of tech. Perhaps more like Disney Infinity. Not a big deal for me, but would be cool.
Steverulez
Member
Miles Quaritch
Member
Majanew pretty much covered my opinion on this.
As I said, I'm open to seeing where it all goes, but until I see some how the game works outside of a controlled environment and I see a proper case made for the game needing cloud based destruction and how it adds to the gameplay, I'm going to remain somewhat sceptical about the tech and worried about the game.
Needless to say, I really, really hope it all comes together. Crackdown is probably one of my most beloved IP's, I just couldn't bear it if the game ends up being a disappointment or is let down by the cloud tech.
Castef
Banned
Well... You would have:
- All the Kameo characters
- All the Banjo Kazooie ones
- Battletoads
- Killer Instinct fighters
- Banjo & Co
- The Jet Force Gemini guys
- Pinatas!
Just to remain linked to the Rare Ips.
It would work well.
Green Yoshi
Member
I'd love to see a new Jet Force Gemini.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
If it's not a new Conker I have no interest.
Hero of Legend
Member
Well it doesn't help that the team behind KI (Double Helix) got bought by Amazon so MS had it, then lost it.
Iron Galaxy is just adding content. They've yet to prove they too can make a good KI game on their own.
IncognitoPanda
Member
It actually would. First I thought having general Microsoft IPs in there, but having just Rare characters seems like a better fit, to be honest! They all kind of have the same style, in a way.
I actually had an idea like this a while back based on another guys idea, but Conker would be the main character. Conker is about breaking the fourth wall and making fun of stuff in real life. It wouldn't be that weird to see crossovers in a Conker game, I think.
Anyway, a big "Rare allstar" game would be really cool! As long as it's not a Smash clone, of course.
screw fries, we need to peer review a scientific entry- he's got enough to solve all iodine deficiency in the world!
It just occurred to me that Rare/MS never made an Xbox game with David Wise as the main composer.
I wonder if he would be willing to compose the soundtrack for the Battletoads reboot. Has he said anything about it?
I wonder if he would be willing to compose the soundtrack for the Battletoads reboot. Has he said anything about it?
Microsoft has a team on their end as well, you know. It's not like they gave DH a bunch of money and told them to do whatever they wanted with it.
IncognitoPanda
Member
It's true they didn't start from scratch, but the characters they have added have all(in my opinion) fit right in with unique playstyles, looks and backgrounds. Iron Galaxy was actually MS's first choice over Double Helix. Either way, MS devs are heavily involved in the development process, so it's not just DH vs IG
Bluemercury
Member
You sure like salt....that thing will kill you. But yeah i have a big grudge on MS for killing Rare and taking Rare ips to any team they find......Of the big 3 yeah....MS treats video games like any of their other divisions....there's no passion on creating content, only buying and taking/preventing it from reaching the competition.....that's what i feel about them....both Sony and Nintendo actually create, protect and let flourish their ips....
How are those new games from Psygnosis coming along? They've got to release a new Wipeout to compete with F-Zero UX, right?
I'm just joking around. Sony and Nintendo are doing a great job imo. They have their ups and downs just like any other company.
I've never been a Rare player, but a while ago I saw some stuff from (possibly every?) game they'd had cancelled over the past decade or so. I'm not sure if they're common knowledge, but Rare fans have it tough so this might be interesting to some (and in karmic return, someone will tell me about STALKER II...)
The exact order is a bit off and I've butchered some of the names, but it was something like this:
Kameo...
Kameo II - never played the first, but it had the same female character as the first and a lot of fantasy shtick. I think there's quite a lot know about this on anyway.
Sundown - 2005/6 I think? Interesting looking title - a leather-jacketed Frank West-lookalike, with plenty of concept art. It seemed to revolve around an old colonial American house in the plains, and with the Sundown name and logo it seemed like the central gameplay hook was gather supplies in the day/survive zombies at night. The art of the zombies was all over the place; one was a normal zombie with a mouth in its torso (it looked unintentionally hilarious), another was a sort of lizard/dog/human splice. There was also an early in-engine shot of the house; very adult, realistic art direction.
Step Up - I think this came first, ahead of Party Down; it was named something very similar to 'Step Up' (maybe not given the movie of the same name - though perhaps it was some licensed tie in?). Kinect game with Avatars dancing in the streets/beach etc. Just Dance Dance Revolution with Kinect.
Get Down - Possibly called Party Down, but definitely had 'Down' as the second word because I remember the two Kinect games being 'X Up' and 'X Down'. Kinect dance/sing along with Avatars in street/beach setting etc. Lyrics on screen a la Singstar.
David Beckham's Football Academy - Had a (surprisingly realistically handsome) David Beckham Avatar in his AC Milan kit. A Kinect football game with Golden Balls coaching you.
...Kinect Sports I + II
Could well have been another one in there - a forgettable fantasy thing after Kameo II. In 2014 quite a few Rare old hands were applying for other jobs, particularly in the mobile space; don't know if it was a management exodus or just a coincidence.
The exact order is a bit off and I've butchered some of the names, but it was something like this:
Kameo...
Kameo II - never played the first, but it had the same female character as the first and a lot of fantasy shtick. I think there's quite a lot know about this on anyway.
Sundown - 2005/6 I think? Interesting looking title - a leather-jacketed Frank West-lookalike, with plenty of concept art. It seemed to revolve around an old colonial American house in the plains, and with the Sundown name and logo it seemed like the central gameplay hook was gather supplies in the day/survive zombies at night. The art of the zombies was all over the place; one was a normal zombie with a mouth in its torso (it looked unintentionally hilarious), another was a sort of lizard/dog/human splice. There was also an early in-engine shot of the house; very adult, realistic art direction.
Step Up - I think this came first, ahead of Party Down; it was named something very similar to 'Step Up' (maybe not given the movie of the same name - though perhaps it was some licensed tie in?). Kinect game with Avatars dancing in the streets/beach etc. Just Dance Dance Revolution with Kinect.
Get Down - Possibly called Party Down, but definitely had 'Down' as the second word because I remember the two Kinect games being 'X Up' and 'X Down'. Kinect dance/sing along with Avatars in street/beach setting etc. Lyrics on screen a la Singstar.
David Beckham's Football Academy - Had a (surprisingly realistically handsome) David Beckham Avatar in his AC Milan kit. A Kinect football game with Golden Balls coaching you.
...Kinect Sports I + II
Could well have been another one in there - a forgettable fantasy thing after Kameo II. In 2014 quite a few Rare old hands were applying for other jobs, particularly in the mobile space; don't know if it was a management exodus or just a coincidence.
Steverulez
Member
Taking them to any team they can find?
Killer Instinct - Double Helix/Iron Galaxy --> Very good game
Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie and Perfect Dark ports - 4J Studios --> Great ports(?)
Now please feel free to tell me all these hundreds of other Rare IPs that have been given to new teams:
Conker = Developed by Rare
Banjo-Kazooie = Developed by Rare
Kameo = Developed by Rare
Perfect Dark Zero = Developed by Rare
Viva Piñata = Developed by Rare
Jetpac Refuelled = Developed by Rare
Im pretty sure they even did the fabled Goldeneye XBLA port themselves which never came out.
I think you will be looking for a long time if you're trying to find all these farmed out games.
Yawn yawn yawn, don't you get tired of rehashing the same arguments? Last I checked, former Rare vets that formed new studios like Zoonami and Free Radical weren't exactly doing so hot themselves.
Also, im not the one with the salt problem, on the contrary I'm looking forward to what they have planned.
Remaining sceptical is fine. Not just in regards to Crackdown, but to pretty much everything happening in this industry. The closer we come to release Crackdown or share new infos I totally expect threads with multiple pages here full of concerns. I expect that, because I'm a gamer, too. And again - this is fine and completely understandable. High rewards require high risks. This is my personal opinion on this. Either we do it with our vision in mind - or we shouldn't do it at all. I try to communicate as much as I can, but let's be honest here: I will never be able to kill any kind of concerns just with words. Still I feel like communication is important to understand the decisions a team is doing and the passion people are putting into such a project. Personally I just want to impress people by having fun. If we achieve this, I'm satisfied.
Let's get back to topic.
Gambit 1138
Banned
I'd actually like to see some brand new IPs from RARE that have the same level of quality and style that their 90s games did particularly a spiritual successor to the Donkey Kong Country games.
but at the same time I want to see new sequels to Banjo-Kazooie, Kameo, and Perfect Dark as well
but at the same time I want to see new sequels to Banjo-Kazooie, Kameo, and Perfect Dark as well
Steverulez
Member
They already confirmed no Perfect Dark in development at the moment, unfortunately.
Shikamaru Ninja
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But does it really matter? It's not like the Killer Instinct or Battletoads original developers exist collectively. As long as someone makes a good game out of the IP, it's good news.
Steverulez
Member
That was my point, we can still get good games from Rare or other people and KI proves that.
Miles Quaritch
Member
So much talk about salt. Can't a discussion be a simple back and forth any more? Does scepticism or concern really warrant shouts of 'salt' or 'so salty' and so on?
Feels like it's become a cheap way to shutdown real concerns or genuine opinions that don't fit in with the majority of people.
Anyway...
Thanks for the responses and I hope my posts haven't come off as overly negative. I really do hope it all together and you're all able to fully realise your vision
Here's hoping the game has a presence at E3...
Feels like it's become a cheap way to shutdown real concerns or genuine opinions that don't fit in with the majority of people.
Anyway...
Thanks for the responses and I hope my posts haven't come off as overly negative. I really do hope it all together and you're all able to fully realise your vision
Here's hoping the game has a presence at E3...
Steverulez
Member
I think there is a difference between skepticism/concern and valid points over things and coming into a thread to shit on a developer/company without anything useful to add
They could bring together a decent old-school team for Battletoads if they wanted to.
Gameplay: Gregg Mayles (currently at Rare)
Art: Kev Bayliss (freelancer, currently works with MS on KI Season 2)
Music: David Wise (freelancer)
Miles Quaritch
Member
Fair point, but wouldn't ignoring or trying to find out more about why they hold that opinion be better than claiming they are 'salty'?
Feels like a pointless response to me, but to each their own.
statham
Member
Your Salty Miles.
Steverulez
Member
Constantly going over the same tired points especially when theres proof it even isn't true, a post above suggesting its a recurring theme.
Trying to re-educate, perhaps.
My hope for a theoretical list -
Battletoads A remake which would be a rebuild of the original NES game with perhaps twice as many levels and bosses. 3 player online co-op and competitive multiplayer modes featuring Zitz, Rash , Pimple and some of the boss characters AND maybe some mini game speed run modes - like an infinite runner version of the hoverbike stage that gets harder and harder and harder still! To many hints have been dropped about battletoads coming back for it not to happen , most notably MS buying up the trademark / copyright.
Weekend at Conkers Combines a 1080p remaster of conkers bad fur day from Live and reloaded with tightened up controls and tweaked difficulty because fuck the lava race stag . All the original N64 multiplayer modes completely remastered, the live and reloaded multiplayer AND a brand new second single player campaign - conkers OTHER bad fur day with the same platformer-hollywood-parody set up as the first but with another 15 years of pop culture to parody. It'd be nice to see this brand make a comeback but Chris Seaver no longer works at Rare so I kind of doubt it'll get made. Perhaps a port of live and reloaded as a download only game might work ?
Banjo-Threeie A true sequel to the banjo-kazooie series instead of the strange spinoff that nuts and bolts became. Likelyhood ? ehhh, I'm not sure this brand has much appeal outside of a handful of diehards anymore. More likely then conker though.
Perfect Dark : Subtitle Rather then simply placing a number next to the name we'll get something more cryptic. It'll be a re-quel to both PDzero and the original N64 game. Something that can act as both an introduction to the series for anyone and will reward those that stuck with the franchise with callbacks but canonically it might well be it's own thing. Likelyhood ? Pretty good I'd say, I think MS is prepared to try out this brand one more time before putting it to pasture.
Kameo : Subtitle of subtitle At some point a second kameo was being worked on that looked to make the artstyle more mature and high fantasy rather then dark crystal-ish. I think there could be a market for such a game. I'd love to see Rare take another stab at it. Likelyhood ? higher then 0 but not by much I'd wager.
Obscure one off older franchise entry This includes Jet force Gemini, diddy kong racing/mickeys speedway USA, Grabbed by the ghoulies, Star Fox Adventures , Sabrewulf - game series that never really took off but largely service a market that I'm not sure MS is bothering to pursue - likelyhood of any of them or something similar coming back I'd say is next to nill.
Blast Corps I can totally see a game like this coming back now, players could make and share their own levels online , there could be online multiplayer modes and with the advent of modern CPU's and physics engines the destructability of the environments could take on a whole new level. Likelyhood - not too high but if it were an XBL title I'd say it's above a 25% chance.
Kinect bullshit This is most of what Rare has been wasted on lately when they weren't working on avatars for xbox , the kinect is pretty much dead in the water at this point and the third installment in kinect sports adventures bombed pretty hard sales wise so hopefully they aren't wasting anymore time or money making kinect games. Likelyhood - hopefully 0
New IP Rare has a pretty lengthy back catalog over it's storied history even with games outside of nintendo owned IP's. That said, every single person that was heavily inolved with their creation has moved on to other companies so perhaps with all the youngblood present there should also be new IP ? Likelyhood - probably second place behind battletoads.
Battletoads A remake which would be a rebuild of the original NES game with perhaps twice as many levels and bosses. 3 player online co-op and competitive multiplayer modes featuring Zitz, Rash , Pimple and some of the boss characters AND maybe some mini game speed run modes - like an infinite runner version of the hoverbike stage that gets harder and harder and harder still! To many hints have been dropped about battletoads coming back for it not to happen , most notably MS buying up the trademark / copyright.
Weekend at Conkers Combines a 1080p remaster of conkers bad fur day from Live and reloaded with tightened up controls and tweaked difficulty because fuck the lava race stag . All the original N64 multiplayer modes completely remastered, the live and reloaded multiplayer AND a brand new second single player campaign - conkers OTHER bad fur day with the same platformer-hollywood-parody set up as the first but with another 15 years of pop culture to parody. It'd be nice to see this brand make a comeback but Chris Seaver no longer works at Rare so I kind of doubt it'll get made. Perhaps a port of live and reloaded as a download only game might work ?
Banjo-Threeie A true sequel to the banjo-kazooie series instead of the strange spinoff that nuts and bolts became. Likelyhood ? ehhh, I'm not sure this brand has much appeal outside of a handful of diehards anymore. More likely then conker though.
Perfect Dark : Subtitle Rather then simply placing a number next to the name we'll get something more cryptic. It'll be a re-quel to both PDzero and the original N64 game. Something that can act as both an introduction to the series for anyone and will reward those that stuck with the franchise with callbacks but canonically it might well be it's own thing. Likelyhood ? Pretty good I'd say, I think MS is prepared to try out this brand one more time before putting it to pasture.
Kameo : Subtitle of subtitle At some point a second kameo was being worked on that looked to make the artstyle more mature and high fantasy rather then dark crystal-ish. I think there could be a market for such a game. I'd love to see Rare take another stab at it. Likelyhood ? higher then 0 but not by much I'd wager.
Obscure one off older franchise entry This includes Jet force Gemini, diddy kong racing/mickeys speedway USA, Grabbed by the ghoulies, Star Fox Adventures , Sabrewulf - game series that never really took off but largely service a market that I'm not sure MS is bothering to pursue - likelyhood of any of them or something similar coming back I'd say is next to nill.
Blast Corps I can totally see a game like this coming back now, players could make and share their own levels online , there could be online multiplayer modes and with the advent of modern CPU's and physics engines the destructability of the environments could take on a whole new level. Likelyhood - not too high but if it were an XBL title I'd say it's above a 25% chance.
Kinect bullshit This is most of what Rare has been wasted on lately when they weren't working on avatars for xbox , the kinect is pretty much dead in the water at this point and the third installment in kinect sports adventures bombed pretty hard sales wise so hopefully they aren't wasting anymore time or money making kinect games. Likelyhood - hopefully 0
New IP Rare has a pretty lengthy back catalog over it's storied history even with games outside of nintendo owned IP's. That said, every single person that was heavily inolved with their creation has moved on to other companies so perhaps with all the youngblood present there should also be new IP ? Likelyhood - probably second place behind battletoads.
rootbeerafloat
Member
This won't be anything good. I'd say Conker: Live and Re-Reloaded HD is the best thing that could realistically happen.
Why won't it be anything good? Spill the beans Mr. Insider.
cartoon_soldier
Member
I hope it's a completely new IP.
Maybe a stylistic RPG or platformer.
Maybe a stylistic RPG or platformer.
rootbeerafloat
Member
Okay fine.
Based on empirical data, I highly doubt that any of these projects will be anything short of massively disappointing to Rare fans hoping for a return to form.
I think most Rare fans have reasonable expectations tbh. 90s and early 2000s Rare was something special.
I'm just happy that Rare is finally moving away from Kinect. I'm not hyped for their current project(s) yet, but I'm definitely interested in seeing what they're working on.
Thanks alot for all your update on CD and the tech you're working on.
Really appreciate it.
Can't wait to be impressed
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Correct. I never understood why Rare seems to be the only developer that isn't allowed to have staff turnover. NO studio is immune to change. But Rare seems to be the only one that must be shit because staff have left. Yet their 360 output has been really good.
The fact that its not the same output as the N64 days doesn't diminish the quality of what was put out.
Outside PDZ (which I still personally enjoyed), all their 360 games were good -> great.
Steverulez
Member
PDZ multiplayer was good for 360s launch, 32 players decent maps etc, was a good game although it hasn't aged well.
Seriously? What a huge letdown...
Steverulez
Member
Yep, Ken Lobb on TiC podcast said it but also that they were thinking about Perfect Dark and possibly having it as a more story focused thing (I can't remember exactly what he said). If we get PD2 it will certainly not be a multiplayer FPS, it will have a single player/campaign/narrative focus a think. Deus Ex x Splinter Cell perhaps
Well you know that if they go acknowledging projects like KI the whole MS killing Rare IP's "argument" goes down the drain. Can't have that now can we?