Sony's management of the PS4 UI has been atrocious

I like UI, its quick and simple, while there is stuff I'd like to be rid of but it isn't exactly terrible. Favorite UI is still the First pre-avatar 360 UI
 
Vita has hardware flash memory specifically to store the entirety of the ram.
XB1 also has 8GB of flash memory for this purpose.

PS4 doesn't, and would need a different, more complex solution.


If a game or app gets updated, this does seem to bump it to the front of the list. So likely, one of the many apps under TV were updated recently.

Well thanks for clearing up both of my head-scratching questions!

The suspend/resume one is interesting, as I thought it was solely down to FreeBSD's issues with s/r.
 
I want suspend and resume and DLNA but with that said I really like the UI of the PS4. Really like it. It's quick easy to navigate and makes it easy to play games. And I'm one of those rare people that still use a video game console for almost nothing other than playing games.
 
Well I'm glad it wasn't done in the US then. Seems way less ad-free than my X1's UI
unless there's a remove-ad option I missed somewhere

To me the XB1's UI is too busy. It's alot more flashier than PS4's and i can see why it's preferred by some, but there's so many things to look at on it. It lends itself well to advertising games. Something i think the 360 did brilliantly.
 
Having an understanding of UI needs and likes, how things function, in the U.S.? Better communication with consumers?

I like the PS4's UI, but you can tell it wasn't made in the U.S.

EDIT-

Compared to XB1's UI.

M'lud, I present to you Windows 8 Metro interface as an example of how the above mentioned point about the US making better UIs is horsehit. If that is indeed the point my esteemed fellow poster was making. Which if it wasn't I apologise.
 
Vita has hardware flash memory specifically to store the entirety of the ram.
XB1 also has 8GB of flash memory for this purpose.

PS4 doesn't, and would need a different, more complex solution.

Haven't heard this before but that seems like something they would have known to do in the design stage since it was a feature announced before the system was even manufactured.
 
M'lud, I present to you Windows 8 Metro interface as an example of how the above mentioned point about the US making better UIs is horsehit. If that is indeed the point my esteemed fellow poster was making. Which if it wasn't I apologise.

lol. Well i mean they seem to have a better grasp on how to do things and what the console needs, the monthly updates and all. I don't know.

Somebody help.
 
lol. Well i mean they seem to have a better grasp on how to do things and what the console needs, the monthly updates and all. I don't know.

Somebody help.

A slight consensus on Gaf is that the PS4 UI is quick, intuitive, and implemented better than the competition. Of course this thread is going to make many users defensive. In this world, Microsoft is on par with Sony and many Japanese software developers when it comes to software implementation. You're on your own buddy.
 
lol. Well i mean they seem to have a better grasp on how to do things and what the console needs, the monthly updates and all. I don't know.

Somebody help.

And yet it's still only just now getting screenshot capabilities.

I'm looking forward to Suspend/Resume. On Vita is absolutely vital, since you can play for 5min, then chuck it back in your pocket. But honestly, games on PS4, don't take anywhere near as long to load as PS3 games did, so it's not going to save that much time. It'll just be slightly more convenient to go right back to wherever I was, instead of going through a few logos/menus and get reset to a checkpoint.
 
I find it funny when people say the Xbox One UI is atrocious when its the most organized one. Just go to games and apps, and you have all your games and app organized into different sections. Then you can pin anything you want on the main dash. With that said the Xbox One UI could use some stability..
 
I agree, it feels like Sony has been sitting on their hands. I just don't know what the hell they're doing over there and why they're so slow to do it. It irks me, but as long as they start developing some strong first party software, I'll be alright for now.
 
I don't understand the people who are claiming the UI runs particularly fast, it doesn't and visibly takes time to load. Fast compared to xmb doesn't mean it is fast in its own right.

If there are truly hardware limitations that Sony overlooked that allow the Vita and the competition to have suspend/resume and hold the ps4 back, Sony's hardware team should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for promising a feature they could not deliver
 
I find it funny when people say the Xbox One UI is atrocious when its the most organized one. Just go to games and apps, and you have all your games and app organized into different sections. Then you can pin anything you want on the main dash. With that said the Xbox One UI could use some stability..

Yup they both can improve vastly and I love the continued support on the xbox with updates every month to improve things or add things, i would like to see this with PS4 as well.
 
Use both one and ps4 on a regular basis. I think i prefer xbox one , and of course the monthly feature updates help leverage above sonys. Plus i really love suspend/resume , i especially love it so my little boy doesn't have to worry about menus and can just get right back into his game where it left off.

Thats the biggest feature i miss on sonys side. No doubt the Sony os is definitely quicker though, but not being able to delete or organise the order of whats displayed is really annoying.
 
If they would add an apps and games option at the top menu (with settings, notifications, etc.) and folders to arrange games (have folders/recent games go horizontal, with the games inside the folder arranged vertically when the folder is open) would be better imo.

Otherwise the responsiveness/quickness of the OS itself is very good imo.

Also I would like to be able to schedule a rebuild database instead of having to do it myself.

And lol at OP asking people not to mention xbox os yet it happens anyway.
 
I find it funny when people say the Xbox One UI is atrocious when its the most organized one. Just go to games and apps, and you have all your games and app organized into different sections. Then you can pin anything you want on the main dash. With that said the Xbox One UI could use some stability..

I feel the same as you. However, I think the criticism regarding the Xbox One UI comes from two sources.

1. New users who were used to the 360 and are now getting used to an entirely new interface that had to be constructed from scratch. I bet a majority of these users, if they continue to use the Xbox One in the coming months, will get acclimated to the new experience and learn to appreciate it for its differences.

2. Social users who are asked to go to an app in order to join parties or send messages and who feel discomfort with snapping these features. I think this is the specific area where MS will make improvements in the upcoming updates, because it could be that this is where the majority of complaints are coming from. I also think this being mitigated at the moment by devs who are implementing party and friend invites in the UI of the more popular online games, like Destiny and the Battlefield series.
 
I can't fathom why OP would mix features and UI.

On the UI side, I can't say I get the hate. 2.0 made things much more useable for me and as it stands, I'm less than 5 clicks from what I want to do 90% of the time. It's pretty quick and responsive.

Also, don't share factory and music unlimited fall off the screen if you stop using them?
 
The fact the OP says its slow and clunky is a straight up lie.

Most responsive and intuitive OS this gen without a doubt.


Title smells like clickbait.
 
The fact the OP says its slow and clunky is a straight up lie.

Most responsive and intuitive OS this gen without a doubt.


Title smells like clickbait.

Lol get over yourself. The UI is responsive to some degree but something like the Vita is what I would actually call a smooth and quick UI.
 
Is it wrong of me to not expect anything better from Sony on PS4? I mean, did they ever change the (in my opinion, slow and awful looking) UI on the PS3? My Xbox 360 and Xbox One have always received awsome UI updates and new features, and I have always been looking forward to updates from Microsoft. The PS3 and PS4 on the other hand, not so much.
 
Is it wrong of me to not expect anything better from Sony on PS4? I mean, did they ever change the (in my opinion, slow and awful looking) UI on the PS3? My Xbox 360 and Xbox One have always received awsome UI updates and new features, and I have always been looking forward to updates from Microsoft. The PS3 and PS4 on the other hand, not so much.

I was always under the impression that they made it worse and more ad filled with each revision on X360. Isn't it always about the Blades?
 
The UI could use some organizational options but it's fast and responsive, which I love. Considering how far Sony has come with XMB, I'm not too worried about the PS4 UI.
 
I know I'm in a minority here but I couldn't give a hoot about the UI... It's serviceable, fast and it gets me to games.

I bought the console for games.

That's how I feel about it really.
I personally only on the main screen for at most a minute.
 
On the Xbox 360? Yeah, they probably made it worse, but still way better than the first PS3 UI that never changed.

Loved the XMB. Prefer it's clean look over the PS4s OS.
Themes let me customize it quite a lot if I was in the mood for something different.
PS4 themes have less options, and all the game icons cover the background anyway.

XMB could be extended in a large number of ways. Not sure PS4s OS is as flexible. Everything has to be in that base game list, whether it's a game or not.
 
The UI could use some organizational options but it's fast and responsive, which I love. Considering how far Sony has come with XMB, I'm not too worried about the PS4 UI.

Same here, and I really don't have an issue with it. Always liked the XMB in general.

On the other hand, the Xbone UI is just awful all around and needs to be cleaned up, it's hard enough to navigate without Kinect but even still it's just a mess.
 
I think the PS4 UI is fine.

I suspect they will get tons more complaints if the UI had all the features everyone wanted but was unstable as hell, rather the other way around.
 
Vita has hardware flash memory specifically to store the entirety of the ram.
XB1 also has 8GB of flash memory for this purpose.

This is incorrect. The 8GB of flash does not store a copy of the ram for suspend. In fact its purpose is to help boot time when NOT in suspend by caching the OS there. When you are in suspend the RAM maintains its power and data, it is not copied to the NAND.
 
But the PS4 UI is a lot faster than the PS3 UI, I have to give them that. It`s like they switched place with Xbox this generation.
 
This is incorrect. The 8GB of flash does not store a copy of the ram for suspend. In fact its purpose is to help boot time when NOT in suspend by caching the OS there. When you are in suspend the RAM maintains its power and data, it is not copied to the NAND.

Do you have/remember a source for this? I'd be interested to read the details.
 
But the PS4 UI is a lot faster than the PS3 UI, I have to give them that. It`s like they switched place with Xbox this generation.

its fast because theres nothing there, its as bare bones as can be and even yet there are major problems because of how half the os seems to need psn(poor quality) to pull info from. stuff like the store, trophies, messages/friends, recent info can take forever to load if at all.
 
Do you have/remember a source for this? I'd be interested to read the details.

Andrew goosen said this:
We use it as a cache system-side to improve system response and again not disturb system performance on the titles running underneath. So what it does is that it makes our boot times faster when you're not coming out of the sleep mode—if you're doing the cold boot. It caches the operating system on there. It also caches system data on there while you're actually running the titles and when you have the snap applications running concurrently. It's so that we're not going and hitting the hard disk at the same time that the title is. All the game data is on the HDD. We wanted to be moving that head around and not worrying about the system coming in and monkeying with the head at an inopportune time.

What you're referring to is akin to hibernation. You would not get a quick boot when copying 8GB of data. On a vita this may make more sense since you aim to preserve battery when in standby (the vita has a god-like standby time) and the amount of data is not as large but on a home console/computer it makes far more sense to keep the ram in a low power state.
 
It's better than the XMB for me. I go left and right between my entire list of games, press X, then it boots. I don't want anything else from my console.
 
I think the PS4 UI fantastic, way better than the XMB.

Folders would be nice, but definitely not a requirement for me.
 
My main issue with the PS4 is how the library is sorted. The line of recently used apps isn't that bad, but having everything piled into a generic library folder is headache inducing. There should be a seperate folder for installed games, and games ready for installation akin to the Xbone.

Also, adding a seperate row to the interface to keep applications and games seperate would be fantastic.

EDIT; that's what I love about the Wii U/3DS home screens. I can sort it anyway I want.
 
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