PlayStation 4 hits 20.2 million units sold worldwide (high sodium content warning)

They do not have a vested interest in seeing it succeed as a gaming platform; this is simple economics.

They constantly and consistently say otherwise. And they do, in fact, make DirectX, a near-universal gaming API for Windows. So I would have to say that you're wrong.
 
Sony are paying for a PC version of SFV to be made out of the goodness of their hearts, I don't see why they couldn't pay for Bloodborne to get a PC port too.
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Because at the moment they are focused on pushing Ps4 sales and exclusives.
 
huh? I thought as far as profit from platforms go, mS owns the PC platform since (I thought) it referred to microsoft windows. just like sony gets the profit from playstation software and mS from xbox software, I thought they'd also be receiving for everything microsoft windows.

This is incorrect. Microsoft did not own the PC platform nor do they earn profit from every piece of (gaming) software built for PC. (Except those published by Microsoft Studios, for example)
 
Sony are paying for a PC version of SFV to be made out of the goodness of their hearts, I don't see why they couldn't pay for Bloodborne to get a PC port too.
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Capcom own the SF IP, whatever payoff is made for console exclusivity is weighted towards Capcoms terms. In other words, I think it would be pretty hard to have one of if not the most popular fighting franchise solely exclusive to one platform. It is a different situation than this.

From Software have accepted Sony's terms to co-develop and give them ownership of the IP. With SF Sony will have accepted Capcoms terms, which obviously do not include ownership of the IP.
 
Funny just looked at my PS4 trophy list.

Turns out ive played 63 PS4 games.


How many are crossgen or remaster of last gen games?

So eliminating indies, cross gen and remasters ive now got a refined list from my 63 games.

Turns out ive only played

Killzone (not a game cause its classed as bad)
mlb the show (classed as cross gen?)
The Order (not a game because it has QTEs, ok ok ill give you that)
DriveClub
second son

So final list of games ive played on PS4.

DriveClub
Second Son

I'll bite as well.

I've played 21 games
- 7 remasters
- 5 digital/indie
- 5 cross-gen
= 4 games (KZ:SF, I:SS, DC, Order)

If you add a qualification, that only those games count that have +80% on Metacritic there's none left. I guess I haven't played any games during the past 15 months.
 
Why should I be forced to rely on Sony to know what games I want on the PS4? So a PC gamer wants some console game ported to PC. Great. They speak up about it. As a PS4 gamer, why shouldn't I have the same right? Why shouldn't I be allowed to voice my desire for a console port of a PC game? Should I be forced to just twiddle my thumbs and pray Sony can read my mind?


Well, posting about it on Neogaf isn't going to be the way to let Sony know what you want... You are just advocating for what you want to other gamers....Tweet or email Shu and Boyles.... You can advocate all you want that way... And they are the ones that matter, not gaffers....
 
So 1/3=Grats Sony, 1/3=FUCK YOU FANBOYS! You salty brah?, 1/3=Bloodborne, is it really a PS4 exclusive?

Anyway, this just shows that the majority only like to play annualized series.
PS exclusives have been dry paint, and even multiplatform AAA games have been boring with rehash gameplay from the 90s.
I went 2months not touching the PS4 until The Order.
I am so glad March has actual games.
Bloodborne, umbasa.
 
Well, posting about it on Neogaf isn't going to be the way to let Sony know what you want... You are just advocating for what you want to other gamers....Tweet or email Shu and Boyles.... You can advocate all you want that way... And they are the ones that matter, not gaffers....

Right. But a PC gamer posting here about wanting a console game isn't going to do much either.
 
Port begging in general should be frowned upon. I don't think any games threads should be sent down that path but from a PC gamers perspective how else do they get their point across? Sony or nintendo are certainly not going to help them. Ps4/Wii gamers don't have that drawback since Sony will ensure we get our games on PS4 so we shouldn't need to port beg.

The problem is that that is not necessarily true about Sony. Maybe I want a particular game for PS4; how can I be sure it will come? Just if I advocate for it. Just like PC gamers. Which makes them fairly the same in regards to port begging.
The only difference is who might listen: console owners have Sony, the publisher and the developers to draw attention of, and PC gamers have only the publisher and the developers. But drawing their attention is just as necessary.

I don't think the logic is sound of allowing more port begging for certain games or for certain platforms, although I can see why admins let it in some threads, or else the forum would end up a graveyard.
 
Right. But a PC gamer posting here about wanting a console game isn't going to do much either.


Exactly, I agree, that's probably why port begging on Neogaf is a bannable offense... It's not going to make a difference doing it here, and it just derails the conversations... There are other outlets like twitter or Facebook or email for that..

For example, we are in a thread about Sony selling 20.2 million PS4s, and we are talking now about people wanting Bloodbourne on PC or PC games on PS4. That has nothing to do with this thread at all...
 
You're welcome.

It was also around that time, that they were coming off several flops in terms of performance (DmC, Bionic commado) and underperforming games (Re6, Lost Planet 3)

So basically, it was a perfect storm of failures compounding over some terrible decision making.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/18/capcom-halves-forecast-blames-excessive-outsourcing

Yeah, I vaguely remember the problem being a cocktail of disasters. I also recall Capcom doing some inane reorgs once every 5 years or so in their pursuit of the Hollywood business model.

Japan Studio's logo shows up in every game developed in Japan that Sony publish (with the exception of Polyphony Digital games) I think, no matter the amount of involvement.

I doubt that Japan Studio is a publishing arm. I don't think that they are geared towards that function. Publishing in Japan is SCEJ's responsibility whereas Japan Studio should be answering to Worldwide Studios based on corporate structure.
 
Again, they do not have a vested interest in seeing it succeed as a gaming platform; this is simple economics. Microsoft gets no money if a company puts a game on PC; Microsoft does get money if they put a game on Xbox. They aren't failing to advocate the PC ecosystem just because they're bad at it; it's because they do not have a vested interest, as I stated.

They have to sell Windows though. Unfortunately there is no other viable OS competing with them otherwise we would probably see a lot more interest in PC gaming.
That's why i hoped Valve would somehow make Linux a viable competitor (to some extent they have but not enough).
 
I doubt that Japan Studio is a publishing arm. I don't think that they are geared towards that function. Publishing in Japan is SCEJ's responsibility whereas Japan Studio should be answering to Worldwide Studios based on corporate structure.

That's just something I noticed in a lot the games mentioning the studio. I think it's akin to how The Order is developed by Ready at Dawn but mention SSM.

To me this means more developers will make more games and take more risk creatively without a huge fear on low returns. As an owner of this unit this makes me happy.

Sadly I don't think so. Those days are gone unless you're indie.
 
People have become so accustomed to so-called Xbox exclusives being ported to PC, but Sony doesn't do that. May as well be asking for Nintendo exclusives on PC as well.
 
If a PS4 user does not advocate for games to come to the system, then who will do it instead? Answer: Sony, obviously. They're a giant corporation working very hard to bring games to the system. They have millions of dollars to spend, and will do a better job than any consumer -- even a group of consumers -- ever could.
They certainly are taking cues from consumers though - they ask for plenty of feedback on the type of games consumers want and they aren't simply going to drop those millions on games that no consumer expressed any particular interest in. What made them choose to co-develop and fund Bloodborne, after all? Because they wanted a spiritual successor to a game beloved by substantial amount of the consumers of their brand/platform. Because a group of their consumers advocated for it. Pretty effectively, it would seem.

If a PC user does not advocate for games to come to the system, then who will instead? Answer: no one. There is no one with specific, proprietary interest in seeing the platform succeed for gaming.
This seems more like an issue of perspective - whether the glass is half full or half empty. By its nature of not being ruled by one specific proprietary interest, the answer to this question of who can advocate for the platform is as much *anyone* can as it may be no one that does. So not just PC users, but developers, publishers, hardware OEMs, professional industry organizations, non-professional user groups, etc. There are plenty of middle-men to be had to advocate on behalf of the PC user. It's a question of making it worth their while, just like it is for Sony or any other owner of a proprietary platform.
 
Sadly I don't think so. Those days are gone unless you're indie.

I don't particularly agree with that, but I respect your right to have an opinion.

It is tough to break down what indie actually is now in modern times and that is another topic all together. As for as a development a game that would not be made on an install base of 10 million units has a greater probability of being made with an install base of 20 some odd/even million. It is a numbers thing.
 
That's just something I noticed in a lot the games mentioning the studio. I think it's akin to how The Order is developed by Ready at Dawn but mention SSM.



Sadly I don't think so. Those days are gone unless you're indie.

It could be that the respective 3rd party developer relations group are co-located with those studios.
 
Exactly, I agree, that's probably why port begging on Neogaf is a bannable offense... It's not going to make a difference doing it here, and it just derails the conversations... There are other outlets like twitter or Facebook or email for that..

For example, we are in a thread about Sony selling 20.2 million PS4s, and we are talking now about people wanting Bloodbourne on PC or PC games on PS4. That has nothing to do with this thread at all...
I think that port begging should be bannable for everyone; take context out of it. If PC owners want to be heard, then let them go to the proper outlets that will get their voices heard by the companies that matter. In the meantime, we keep threads like this from turning into shitfests. Let them go to the Nvidia or AMD forums, and beg for games to flex the muscles of their expensive graphic cards.
 
I think that port begging should be bannable for everyone; take context out of it. If PC owners want to be heard, then let them go to the proper outlets that will get their voices heard by the companies that matter. In the meantime, we keep threads like this from turning into shitfests. Let them go to the Nvidia or AMD forums, and beg for games to flex the muscles of their expensive graphic cards.



Agreed, good points...
 
I'll bite as well.

I've played 21 games
- 7 remasters
- 5 digital/indie
- 5 cross-gen
= 4 games (KZ:SF, I:SS, DC, Order)

If you add a qualification, that only those games count that have +80% on Metacritic there's none left. I guess I haven't played any games during the past 15 months.

Greatness Awaits!
 
I can't believe that so many people paid for a console so they could play no games.

I jest. Between the two, I want a PS4 over the Xbox One.
 
I think that port begging should be bannable for everyone; take context out of it. If PC owners want to be heard, then let them go to the proper outlets that will get their voices heard by the companies that matter. In the meantime, we keep threads like this from turning into shitfests. Let them go to the Nvidia or AMD forums, and beg for games to flex the muscles of their expensive graphic cards.

Has any PC GAFer actually portbegged in this thread? The Bloodborne petition certainly wasn't started or brought up by one but then still got quoted 100x for no discernible reason.
 
Pricing PS4 @ $399.99 was the smartest decision SCE has made in a decade. Although you'd think it had to be a rather obvious one considering how much PS3 struggled out of the gate with its price point. Really, really interesting that it could outsell Gamecube and Xbox totals at just the initial price point. Xbox was $199 after six months, and Gamecube was $149 after the same length of time. I figured $299.99 @ E3 was a safe bet since that was PS2's trajectory, but maybe they will go with $349.99 instead and bundle games again for the holiday season. It is especially impressive when you consider the fact that Japan is kind of a wasteland these days, and the BRIC markets are probably not going to contribute much to sales during this cycle. Microsoft really messed up by letting Sony step in with what a lot of people made their default platform for the big third party releases.
 
People have become so accustomed to so-called Xbox exclusives being ported to PC, but Sony doesn't do that. May as well be asking for Nintendo exclusives on PC as well.
Why would Nintendo go to PC when all signs point to them going mobile?
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I wasn't expecting 20m by March. Very impressive.
 
Pricing PS4 @ $399.99 was the smartest decision SCE has made in a decade. Although you'd think it had to be a rather obvious one considering how much PS3 struggled out of the gate with its price point. Really, really interesting that it could outsell Gamecube and Xbox totals at just the initial price point. Xbox was $199 after six months, and Gamecube was $149 after the same length of time. I figured $299.99 @ E3 was a safe bet since that was PS2's trajectory, but maybe they will go with $349.99 instead and bundle games again for the holiday season. It is especially impressive when you consider the fact that Japan is kind of a wasteland these days, and the BRIC markets are probably not going to contribute much to sales during this cycle. Microsoft really messed up by letting Sony step in with what a lot of people made their default platform for the big third party releases.

That's right!

Nintendo only shipped 21.74 million GameCube consoles.

It's very possible that, as of right now, the PS4 has outsold the entire 2001-2008 sales history of the GameCube!


I find that endlessly fascinating, especially considering the Wii U isn't even halfway to reaching GameCube's lifetime total, and that's with nearly two and a half years at retail.
 
That's right!

Nintendo only shipped 21.74 million GameCube consoles.

It's very possible that, as of right now, the PS4 has outsold the entire 2001-2008 sales history of the GameCube!


I find that endlessly fascinating, especially considering the Wii U isn't even even half way to reaching GameCube's lifetime total, and that's with nearly two and a half years at retail.

Im willing to avatar bet PS4 surpasses both Gamecube and Xbox before July.
 
That's right!

Nintendo only shipped 21.74 million GameCube consoles.

It's very possible that, as of right now, the PS4 has outsold the entire 2001-2008 sales history of the GameCube!


I find that endlessly fascinating, especially considering the Wii U isn't even even half way to reaching GameCube's lifetime total, and that's with nearly two and a half years at retail.

Oh wow. I need it was going to happen but not this soon.
 
Has any PC GAFer actually portbegged in this thread? The Bloodborne petition certainly wasn't started or brought up by one but then still got quoted 100x for no discernible reason.
Probably not; haven't followed every page, but yeah, that petition got quoted to hell. I still think it's best to just keep an even keel for everyone. Less headache for the mods I would think. I know they want to be fair to everyone but still.
 
That's right!

Nintendo only shipped 21.74 million GameCube consoles.

It's very possible that, as of right now, the PS4 has outsold the entire 2001-2008 sales history of the GameCube!


I find that endlessly fascinating, especially considering the Wii U isn't even halfway to reaching GameCube's lifetime total, and that's with nearly two and a half years at retail.
What makes this even more impressive is that Sony are doing this at a profit unless I'm mistaken.
 
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