PlayStation 4 hits 20.2 million units sold worldwide (high sodium content warning)
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Yekshemesh
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Savantcore
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So, 40 million PS4s sold by 2016? Taking all bets.
Aquamarine
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Historically the PS4 has been tracking closely to the Wii.
The Nintendo Wii shipped 44.96 million consoles as of December 31st, 2008, which would correspond to December 31st, 2015 for the PS4 if we're taking their relative release dates into consideration.
Personally, I feel as if the Wii is starting to break away from the PS4 in terms of momentum, so 40 million sold-through for PS4 seems just a tad too high for my liking.
I'm guessing closer to 35 million than 40 million.
hey guyz
so sony lies about their sell-through numbers
it's a conspiracy okay
it's clear that sony lies about their sell-through data reports to make themselves seem much better than xbox which is actually doing better than sony
it's proven on sales tracking website vg chartz:
http://gamrconnect.********.com/post.php?id=6598658
and we all know that ioi tracks video game sales and he is unbiased unlike sony who wants to destroy xbox by any means necessary
don't believe sony's lies sheeple
Ha I remember that BS. It's funny because they will use Gfk/NPD etc data in their guesstimates which is what Sony also uses in their sell-through reports.
Shadow_FFVI
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I was about to respond with ''NO WAY!'', then I saw your username...
I hope it does reach 40 though. A price drop and great bundles should make that a possibility.
googleplex
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40 million PS4's could mean great things for Morpheus if Sony could nail the price tag, advertise and get the messaging right.
Aquamarine
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Not as much as you think.
It could very well reach 40 million if Sony capitalises on their momentum.
If they coast on their initial success, though, I don't see it.
By or through 2016? 40 by end of 2016 would be two more holiday seasons, so could be doable. But by 2016 only leaves this year, and there's no way it will get there.
Aqua, do you feel a drop to $299 is realistic this year? I think a price drop this year would define the momentum of the PS4.
PoweredByHentai
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One thing I've been curious about.
The ports across the West Coast have been going through labor strikes for the past year or so. Has that affected the sales of consoles in the US?
Is this also why we heard something about channel stuffing towards the end of last year?
The ports across the West Coast have been going through labor strikes for the past year or so. Has that affected the sales of consoles in the US?
Is this also why we heard something about channel stuffing towards the end of last year?
Shadow_FFVI
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It's not an impossibility, as Aquamarine has stated.
Aquamarine
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I think Sony is careful about margins this time around. They want to make sure the PS4 isn't a significant loss-leader like the PS3 (where SCE lost a ton of money every year).
Will PS4 production be efficient enough to allow Sony to drop the price? Certainly down to price parity with Xbox One ($349). I'm not so sure about $299, though.
We'll see.
Aquamarine
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Wii
2006-12-31 - 3.19 million LTD shipped
2007-12-31 - 20.14 million LTD shipped
2008-12-31 - 44.96 million LTD shipped
PS4
2013-12-31 - 4.5 million LTD shipped
2014-12-31 - 19.9 million LTD shipped
2015-12-31 - 40 million LTD shipped?
The Wii did it, so it's possible for the PS4 to achieve 40 million by the end of 2015. But on the other hand, we've been seeing relative PS4 slowdowns compared to the enormous Wii momentum. So it's up in the air.
EdReedFan20
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Source? I hope it's not Tidux, he doesn't have the best track-record for accuracy.
ChronotriggerJM
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Yeah I highly doubt it'll track alongside the Wii. I'm pretty sure the PS4 will have better legs mind you, but unless they hit that magic price point, I'm not so sure.
Do we have any info on 8gb GDDR chips?
Yeah, my expectations are $350 too; however, seeing that we've seen some good deals already and that some people is expecting a $100 drop this year, i was wondering. I supposed it will depends on how much Sony has cut the cost of manufacturing the PS4.
The real question Aqua is, do you think the PS4 will have longer legs than the Wii? I think that's the real differentiator
EdReedFan20
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If it does that, that would make it's LTD roughly equal to Sega Genesis (and 9 million away from SNES). When it passes Genesis, it will be the 8th best selling home console of all time (not including handhelds). The crazy thing is if PS3 ever passes 360 (according to Wikipedia it hasn't yet) and PS4 keeps selling the way it is, the top-5 selling home consoles of all time will likely be PS2, PS1, Wii, PS4, PS3. I think it's possible PS4 can pass Wii and PS1. Either way, that's impressive for Sony. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles
PoweredByHentai
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Isn't the Bill-of-Materials to manufacture a PS4 low enough for a 299 price tag to be feasible?
I'm agreed with yourself.
The Wii was technically supply constrained till 2008 but kept outputting very high numbers and there is no way the PS4 will keep up in terms of aligned launch sales. You can see my table below for the numbers:
I've said in a previous post that my prediction by end of 2015 puts us at:
PS4: More than 36.5 million cumulative units sold in (Expecting 38.8m based on current trend)
XB1: More than 21.0 million cumulative units sold in
WiU: More than 13.0 million cumulative units sold in
I think you're right, they need to capitalize it and also make a great E3 appearance. The unannounced games, morpheus games with the Spring 2016 release and etc. could help Sony reach the 40 million or if they officially release in China and 1% buys it ;D
gundamkyoukai
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I agree if they are aggressive on there price drop and maybe if Japan start buying some more systems i can see them getting to the 40 million .
SnowFlakeCake
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No way will the PS4 reach 40 million by years end, that ain't happening
. It should be able to hit well over 30 million though but we'll have a much better idea after E3 simply because at the moment there's little idea about if there is another big PS4 exclusive coming this winter. For example while Kaz said we would get GT7 and not a prologue, even a GT7
this year would shift more consoles in EU than Uncharted 4 or anything else Sony could muster. Wii pulled crazy numbers at its peak but the drop off was equally insane, PS4 won't keep up with the Wii peak years but if the console generation lasts long enough, will beat it lifetime.
I just don't see any competition for PS4 with the Wii U or XB1, they seem like non-factors. Mobile gaming (though Joe down the road ain't gonna ditch FIFA 15 for the mobile version), F2P PC games is the bigger competition for the PS4, the traditional gaming market will contract this generation but it's going to be Wii U and XB1 that suffer the losses. Sony and Nintendo could probably make a billion $$$ each by selling blue prints of how they developed the PS3 and Wii U, those consoles are enormous failures. Aqua posted that insane table showing Wii U being a couple or few million below Gamecube which is absolutely insane seeing how they were coming off the back of Wii.
IMO of course
this year would shift more consoles in EU than Uncharted 4 or anything else Sony could muster. Wii pulled crazy numbers at its peak but the drop off was equally insane, PS4 won't keep up with the Wii peak years but if the console generation lasts long enough, will beat it lifetime. I just don't see any competition for PS4 with the Wii U or XB1, they seem like non-factors. Mobile gaming (though Joe down the road ain't gonna ditch FIFA 15 for the mobile version), F2P PC games is the bigger competition for the PS4, the traditional gaming market will contract this generation but it's going to be Wii U and XB1 that suffer the losses. Sony and Nintendo could probably make a billion $$$ each by selling blue prints of how they developed the PS3 and Wii U, those consoles are enormous failures. Aqua posted that insane table showing Wii U being a couple or few million below Gamecube which is absolutely insane seeing how they were coming off the back of Wii.
Fattony12000
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Certainly looks like Sony has shown that they do know how to make and market and sell a video game console...again!
31 million by 31/12/2015.
31 million by 31/12/2015.
So you're expecting PS4 to sell 1.5 million less in 2015 than it did in 2014?
I can't wait until the mobile revolution is complete, everyone on GAF gets whiny and angry, I get to ban everyone, and finally I'm left as I've with GAF as I've always wanted it; to myself. To create long winded, blowhard posts that only I may reply to.
They going to have a price cut just not anytime soon.rip pricecut
Still no point in having one.
lol!
rip pricecut
We'll see an official price cut during FY2015.
Well at least we should. Sony should certainly drop the price during next year.
ChronotriggerJM
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Depends on how quickly the components drop. I can very easily see Sony pushing for a price drop this year. The best way to capitalize on momentum is to pile more on
What sort of two-sentence bullshit is this, Opiate? Resting on your laurels? Step yo game up
EdReedFan20
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rip pricecut
Didn't someone (maybe Verendus) possibly insinuate that a price drop could coincide with the release of MGS5 in September. September 2009 is when the PS3 famously dropped to $299.99. Then again, that was when the Slim launched.
synce
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I don't understand the salt, but I also don't understand the hype. Unless you're an investor how can this really affect you? PS4 could outsell the bone 3 to 1 but anything third party will still be multiplatform and get a PC release on top of that, just because it's relatively cheap and easy to do now.
Fattony12000
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I just think 10.8 million units sold in the next 9 months, 3 weeks and 4 days seems reasonable. They have got some Big Games coming out though, of course. I'd have to look at the month by month sales for the PS4 to date, and research the half a dozen or so big games coming out that are likely to shift units. But that's work and I'm sat here in my dressing gown buying Giant Bomb shirts so there's that.
More reason for devs to make more games so yes it really affects us all.
farmerboy
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The PS4 was built/designed for revisions of the hardware to happen at a quicker pace. I believe the SoC will decrease in size quickly and dramatically when it does. It all comes down to the 8gb ram chips.
The longer they can go without a price cut the more dramatic and aggressive they can be when needed. Sony now have the high ground.
Question is, do they go down in $50 increments or smash the comp with a $100 when needed? For the foreseeable future I think they'll just add value where they can.
However I think for Morpheus to gain ground with new buyers it will need to be bundled with a cheaper PS4, maybe that's when they'll cut. For the right price Morpheus will sell to existing owners no doubt.
The longer they can go without a price cut the more dramatic and aggressive they can be when needed. Sony now have the high ground.
Question is, do they go down in $50 increments or smash the comp with a $100 when needed? For the foreseeable future I think they'll just add value where they can.
However I think for Morpheus to gain ground with new buyers it will need to be bundled with a cheaper PS4, maybe that's when they'll cut. For the right price Morpheus will sell to existing owners no doubt.
No worries. I've done some research myself and would say that PS4 shouldn't sell through less in 2015 than 2014 unless something goes horrendously wrong.
It'd be like watching a descent into madness.
slavesnyder
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This year with all those big titles they convince the core audience to join this gen.
But to keep on growing they might need the casuals. So a price cut is absolutely necessary. And they will need games like buzz, rock band (what a coincidence) and stuff like that even more than AAA-stuff. That will come anyway.
They should not lose the core in the meantime plus they want to launch morpheus (what might be too expensive to count as casual).
This is a huge challenge.
But to keep on growing they might need the casuals. So a price cut is absolutely necessary. And they will need games like buzz, rock band (what a coincidence) and stuff like that even more than AAA-stuff. That will come anyway.
They should not lose the core in the meantime plus they want to launch morpheus (what might be too expensive to count as casual).
This is a huge challenge.
pixelation
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Impressive showing from Sony... Kudos!!!
joecanada
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when looking at the charts side by side , what strikes me about ps4 vs. ps2 charts is that the ps2 at this point just hits a straight up-slope and just keeps killiing it. I am curious if ps4 can keep the sales to track even with ps2 or if those streams cross at some point.... if someone can find the latest chart you will see what I mean.
The Artisan
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and when sony wants to cut the price. they announce that the new msrp is $299 and it is up to the retailers to lower it after that?
diverse game library? i honestly cannot recall there being that many remarkable 360 exclusives outside of gears and halo. not saying there weren't any, I just can't think of any.. there's fable, there was ME, there was bioshock, there's splinter cell... but you were talking about diverse exclusives early on. maybe i'm just havin a brain buster or whatever they call it, but I feel like if the games were noteworthy I'd remember some of the IPs.
if anything, playstation's been known to have the more diverse library. last gen most games on 360 were shooters and multiplayer, Ps3 had single player, story driven games.
I didn't say that it was a follow up to the brand itself, but a continuation of it. But I'm not sure what to say for the rest of your post was about.
goodwill of the Ps3 built up post 2010...? I disagree. someone else in the thread said it - this is kind of a return to form for sony, and the Ps3 was a massive misstep. Another person said that even if the xbone had a good e3 2013, the Ps4 would probably still be outselling it, just not by much, and I would agree with that too.
I hope you're not alluding to what I think you are.This thread
I look forward to seeing exactly how high and fast the numbers can go.
Remember, console gaming is dead.
That a lot of people were banned in this thread?