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[Lethe82]

I agree on the point of Order being a mediocre game (especially with its cliche story).

But I also just saw their Sonic video. Kinda funny, but so wrong on so many levels. How the hell do you knock branching paths in one 2D platformer as being a negative but don't care to do that with a certain other 2D platformer that has the exact same thing? Bullocks.

Hope someone made a response vid shaming them on how much they suck at the old Sonic games, because they don't understand them at all.

To the point of the one poster who said they might be Nintendo fanboys (plop said that I think), they might be right on that note.

Their Sonic video was hilariously stupid, made me stop watching because it showed how little they apparently knew about game design, they didn't even seem aware that Sonic could roll into a ball. If this review is better it's probably because the Order correlates more closely to their usual subject matter, that being film.

Seriously go watch their Sonic video and be amazed:

Previously Rec: Sonic, The Most Overrated Game Ever?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYDsz1NFBJw

And no they're talking about Sonic 1-3.

 

[Jito]

You didn't even play the game, am I right?
Good:
- Graphics
- Gunplay
- Cutscenes
- Presentation
- Sound & Voice Acting

Medium:
- Story
- Length
- Stealth section

Bad:
- Lycan encounters

And how can we not talk about my take on it? The reviewers don't give an objective perspective... they didn't like some things I, and many others, like.... It is always subjective

Hey man, I've played it an disagree with everything you've said. Also plenty of people in the OT agree that the game is absolute shit. Stop trying to be a snake oils sales man, no one is buying that the game is good other than the graphics and basic shootouts. The game is below average, deserves the 4/10 and getting set on fire.

 

[Hugstable]

Valid

Spoiler

In the context of the scene being discussed, however, that's irrelevant. YOU don't know that yet, so the first invention Tesla comes up with, as far as you the player know, and as far as Gallahad knows, is a scope for a rifle.

Which is the issue they take with the game.

Granted, I've only played like 30 minutes of the game, so my context for some story beats may be off.

lol that is true, just saw your post and was reminded of that end portion.

That said, even with getting the Platinum in this game, every point RLM brings up in this video are very legit. The game has way too many issues going on that make it too hard to enjoy for me, and I did not enjoy alot of my time spent with the Order. Honestly I'm glad the game was short, I probably would've hated the game even more if I had to play more levels with that barebones, never evolving gunplay. The fact that people say the gunplay is amazing in this baffles me, there is literally no choice besides, "see heads? Shoot them"

 

[Nibel]

Fantastic review video; very entertaining and refreshing to me since I don't know these two dudes. While Angry Joe made a good review as well, his 'angry' shtick is too much sometimes.

Funny enough, The Order is super high on my most wanted list; I just need to know what the fuss is all about and if it's truly a 7-9 like some people in the game's OT make it out to be.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Lol. I love this. Let's try the same thing with Superman 64...

Good:
- Is 3d
- Innovative flying mechanic. (While not the best, it is innovative)
- No loading
- Superpowers
- Sound
- Great boxart

Medium:
- Fog
- Bland enemies
- Frame rate

Bad:
- Glitches

So as you can see, the game is way more good than bad. And none of you can disagree because none of you have played the game.

Lmao. Great boxart. #dead

 

[KarmaCow]

I think we need a thread to review different reviewers on a 100 point scale. A real meta crtitic, to weed out reviews that are clearly biased so people won't be influenced by them.

And then ban all the people who actually participate in that thread.

 

[Freshmaker]

That's fucking stupid. Not all game interactions must necessarily be attached to choice. Sometimes it's interesting to just test a player's skill or attentiveness, or create an abstracted struggle that connects the player to a character's own trial.

Hitting a button to continue a cut scene never accomplishes this.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Their Sonic video was hilariously stupid, made me stop watching because it showed how little they apparently knew about game design, they didn't even seem aware that Sonic could roll into a ball. If this review is better it's probably because the Order correlates more closely to their usual subject matter, that being film.

Seriously go watch their Sonic video and be amazed:

Previously Rec: Sonic, The Most Overrated Game Ever?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYDsz1NFBJw

And no they're talking about Sonic 1-3.

Yeah I just watched it a few minutes after the Order one and...wow...it's amazing how you can agree with someone so much on one thing, and disagree with them so passionately on something else the minute after xD.

Surprised no one made a response vid showing how off-base they are with Sonic, that video's a travesty.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Actually, it's a smash cut to a title screen.



That's fucking stupid. Not all game interactions must necessarily be attached to choice. Sometimes it's interesting to just test a player's skill or attentiveness, or create an abstracted struggle that connects the player to a character's own trial.

Even if you wanted to argue "press X to continue watching the cutscene" was testing your attentiveness (did you fall asleep?), it doesn't do that here because a lot of the "press X to continue" segments in the game just wait for you to press them, there's no fail state.

 

[viveks86]

I think we need a thread to review different reviewers on a 100 point scale. A real meta crtitic, to weed out reviews that are clearly biased so people won't be influenced by them.

And then ban all the people who actually participate in that thread.

<3

 

[davepoobond]

Yeah I just watched it a few minutes after the Order one and...wow...it's amazing how you can agree with someone so much on one thing, and disagree with them so passionately on something else the minute after xD.

Surprised no one made a response vid showing how off-base they are with Sonic, that video's a travesty.

I don't know what they said I didn't agree with. They were pretty much right on everything as far as I can remember.

 

[MurkyZebra2417]

Hey man, I've played it an disagree with everything you've said. Also plenty of people in the OT agree that the game is absolute shit. Stop trying to be a snake oils sales man, no one is buying that the game is good other than the graphics and basic shootouts. The game is below average, deserves the 4/10 and getting set on fire.

What the FUCK are you even talking about. I liked the game, oh no. You don't have to buy it because I liked it. Why would I even lie about that stuff.
And a lot of people in the OT also agree that the game is good, so what?
Wow, the thread shows that this forum is gamefaqs/IGN levels of stupid nowadays. Cesspool of shittalkers like you and the Superman64 guy.

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

This reminds me of those guys that used to burn PS3's in their backyard on YouTube repeating "Fuck you Sony."

Some people, lol

 

[Sir Blaming]

Holy shit, the things I read in this thread. They are so bad. SO bad.
How did this even happen in the first place?

 

[psykobunny]

The folks who made The Order must be pissed that everyone decided this samey AAA action game is the one to get all thinkpiecey about.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Lol. I love this. Let's try the same thing with Superman 64...

Good:
- Is 3d
- Innovative flying mechanic. (While not the best, it is innovative)
- No loading
- Superpowers
- Sound
- Great boxart

Medium:
- Fog
- Bland enemies
- Frame rate

Bad:
- Glitches

So as you can see, the game is way more good than bad. And none of you can disagree because none of you have played the game.

LOL... i actually played that shitty game....

 

[Marcel]

This reminds me of those guys that used to burn PS3's in their backyard on YouTube repeating "Fuck you Sony."

Some people, lol

Your point might actually mean something if RLM didn't destroy physical media in their videos all the time.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

I don't know what they said I didn't agree with. They were pretty much right on everything as far as I can remember.

Are you talking about The Order or Sonic? I was disagreeing with them on Sonic.

 

[Beelzebufo]

The folks who made The Order must be pissed that everyone decided this samey AAA action game is the one to get all thinkpiecey about.

I think it's because they were being pretentious about it. Both in and out of the game you get the impression that they think they've created a masterpiece, but they ain't even shit.

 

[GoaThief]

Their Sonic video was hilariously stupid, made me stop watching because it showed how little they apparently knew about game design, they didn't even seem aware that Sonic could roll into a ball. If this review is better it's probably because the Order correlates more closely to their usual subject matter, that being film.

As has been noted several times, a fair old number of The Order criticisms have been exposed as widely inaccurate or misrepresented. I believe it would be prudent to keep that and the Sonic video in mind when viewing their 1886 piece.

The problem is arising when people take the video as a genuine review rather than pandering entertainment.

There's only so many times the above can be repeated before it becomes clear that too many are ignoring this (accidentally or otherwise) and genuine discussion is stifled.

 

[Jito]

What the FUCK are you even talking about. I liked the game, oh no. You don't have to buy it because I liked it. Why would I even lie about that stuff.
And a lot of people in the OT also agree that the game is good, so what?
Wow, the thread shows that this forum is gamefaqs/IGN levels of stupid nowadays. Cesspool of shittalkers like you and the Superman64 guy.

I'm responding to the typical defense of "well I like it, here's a list, oh people in OT like it as well". Surprisingly there are plenty of people, in the OT, that don't agree with you or your list. Some of those people are in here discussing this video you're refusing to watch because you have "more important things to do", like argue about a video you've not watched.

Typical whine response of crying that the quality of the forum is deteriorating because people disagree and call you out on your shit.

 

[Coffee Dog]

As has been noted several times, a fair old number of The Order criticisms have been exposed as widely inaccurate or misrepresented. I believe it would be prudent to keep that and the Sonic video in mind when viewing their 1886 piece.

The problem is arising when people take the video as a genuine review rather than pandering entertainment.

There's only so many times the above can be repeated before it becomes clear that too many are ignoring this (accidentally or otherwise) and no real discussion can take place.

Lol, here we go again

What's a "real discussion". Like seriously.

 

[The Adder]

I think it's because they were being pretentious about it. Both in and out of the game you get the impression that they think they've created a masterpiece, but they ain't even shit.

Bingo.

 

[Marcel]

As has been noted several times, a fair old number of The Order criticisms have been exposed as widely inaccurate or misrepresented. I believe it would be prudent to keep that and the Sonic video in mind when viewing their 1886 piece.

The problem is arising when people take the video as a genuine review rather than pandering entertainment.

There's only so many times the above can be repeated before it becomes clear that too many are ignoring this (accidentally or otherwise) and genuine discussion is stifled.

While it's clear that the video is not a formal "review", let's not act like that precludes or delegitimizes the cogent criticisms within it.

 

[GoaThief]

Lol, here we go again

Here we go again, what?

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Lol, here we go again

What's a "real discussion". Like seriously.

RLM discussing it, then us discussing that, isnt real discussion apparently

 

[davepoobond]

Are you talking about The Order or Sonic? I was disagreeing with them on Sonic.

Yeah, sonic. I quoted you lol

 

[JDSN]

All these Order defenders who can't even watch a video, the one thing you'd think they would be able to handle.

Damn.

 

[chalkitdown1]

Wow, a whole lot of people sure can't handle it when two guys on the internet shit on a game they like. I haven't seen salt like this since the PS4 sales thread last week.

I don't even hate the game but I can't find myself disagreeing with anything they brought up in the video. It's such a mediocre to bad game in every regard except graphics.

 

[GoaThief]

While it's clear that the video is not a formal "review", let's not act like that precludes or delegitimizes the cogent criticisms within it.

Which are? I've read the thread and the vast majority of the criticisms such as forced crouching, Tesla's input, and the "No killing" quote have been quite comprehensively dismissed.

 

[call_kotaku]

As has been noted several times, a fair old number of The Order criticisms have been exposed as widely inaccurate or misrepresented. I believe it would be prudent to keep that and the Sonic video in mind when viewing their 1886 piece.

The problem is arising when people take the video as a genuine review rather than pandering entertainment.

There's only so many times the above can be repeated before it becomes clear that too many are ignoring this (accidentally or otherwise) and genuine discussion is stifled.

I don't see why "tl;dr" isn't the most stifling thing to actual discussion, which is why it's contextually a bannable offense and also happens to be a solid chunk of the thread.

 

[Toxi]

All these Order defenders who can't even watch a video, the one thing you'd think they would be able to handle.

I need this comment framed over my fireplace.

 

[The Adder]

Which are? I've read the thread and the vast majority of the criticisms such as forced crouching, Tesla's input, and the "No killing" quote have been quite comprehensively dismissed.

1st thing: Watch the fucking video.

2nd: No they fucking haven't.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Which are? I've read the thread and the vast majority of the criticisms such as forced crouching, Tesla's input, and the "No killing" quote have been quite comprehensively dismissed.

How about the ending containing a rapid fire barrage of poorly done clichés played completely straight. Just for one example.

Considering those things you mentioned are minor nitpicks at worst compared to the writing being horrible.

 

[FairXchange]

Hey man, I've played it an disagree with everything you've said. Also plenty of people in the OT agree that the game is absolute shit. Stop trying to be a snake oils sales man, no one is buying that the game is good other than the graphics and basic shootouts. The game is below average, deserves the 4/10 and getting set on fire.

I like the game a lot. Opinions, man.

 

[GoaThief]

What's a "real discussion". Like seriously.

In the case of this thread, one where people can discuss/debate the merits, detractions and points raised in a civil and non-abrasive manner? I suppose it could turn into a big circlejerk, but that does not necessarily a discussion make.

 

[Marcel]

Which are? I've read the thread and the vast majority of the criticisms such as forced crouching, Tesla's input, and the "No killing" quote have been quite comprehensively dismissed.

Maybe you should watch the video instead of expecting me to put it in a to-go box for you to try to pick apart.

 

[More_Badass]

Which are? I've read the thread and the vast majority of the criticisms such as forced crouching, Tesla's input, and the "No killing" quote have been quite comprehensively dismissed.

Criticisms like the in-depth critique they give of the story, characters, character development, gameplay and enemy variety, etc.?

 

[Armaros]

Which are? I've read the thread and the vast majority of the criticisms such as forced crouching, Tesla's input, and the "No killing" quote have been quite comprehensively dismissed.

"They are wrong because I said they are, with no logical arguements to back them up, go look them up yourself"

Aside: you know people love to quote huge opinion posts they have written in the past unrelated to the topic, yet can't be asked to provide proof when pressed.

In the case of this thread, one where people can discuss/debate the merits, detractions and points raised in a civil and non-abrasive manner? I suppose it could turn into a big circlejerk, but that does not necessarily a discussion make.

And your 'they are wrong just cause without anything to back it up" is somehow better?

 

[Jito]

I like the game a lot. Opinions, man.

You're pretty oblivious as that's the exact reason I quoted and replied to that guy. Opinions huh?

 

[GoaThief]

How about the ending containing a rapid fire barrage of poorly done clichés played completely straight. Just for one example.

You mean by the snap cut to black? Why is this an inherently bad thing? As I previously mentioned

Spoiler

La Haine

is a fantastic film and features a similar ending, what makes it so terrible in the case of The Order?

 

[KC Denton]

You mean by the snap cut to black? Why is this an inherently bad thing? As I previously mentioned

Spoiler

La Haine

is a fantastic film and features a similar ending, what makes it so terrible in the case of The Order?

It's not just that and if you'd actually watch the video you'd understand why.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Best graphics ever don't even get a mention? Thats suspect. That said, I could even add more complaints then they covered. It really seems like they had made up thier mind about the game less than 5 minutes in.
Eh, they were not wrong about pretty much everything they complained about so..... I found the game to be an above average experience for me so I don't agree with the final verdict of burning it but it was an entertaining review.

Couldn't help roll my eyes as soon as I started hearing the "no innovation" complaints at the begining

 

[call_kotaku]

You mean by the snap cut to black? Why is this an inherently bad thing? As I previously mentioned

Spoiler

La Haine

is a fantastic film and features a similar ending, what makes it so terrible in the case of The Order?

Because the creators thought it was an inherently good thing?

 

[Jito]

You mean by the snap cut to black? Why is this an inherently bad thing? As I previously mentioned

Spoiler

La Haine

is a fantastic film and features a similar ending, what makes it so terrible in the case of The Order?

Just watch the video man, there's a ton of clichés the guys talk about other than the lame cut to black ending. It'd make discussion so much easier than you having to say "huh well what else do they say in the video?" every other comment.

Ah I see it is like that.

Feel free to substantiate your claims at any point, the onus is on you here to provide evidence.

How do people get away with the pig headedness of posting in a thread about a video without watching the video, and being so stubborn in refusing to watch it?

 

[GoaThief]

Maybe you should watch the video instead of expecting me to put it in a to-go box for you to try to pick apart.

Ah I see it is like that.

Feel free to substantiate your claims at any point, the onus is on you here to provide evidence.

 

[Booshka]

Tearing this game up on its shitty Story was the right move. Everyone admits that the gameplay is run of the mill, mediocre 3rd person shooting. Gunplay is decent and a couple cool weapons, but it's still poorly designed whack-a-mole, the gameplay loop and combat encounters are pretty bad overall.

I don't understand people defending the Story, glad these guys took it apart. They seemed like they were putting one on though, not sure if it is a shtick or what, but it's a little annoying. Good video overall though.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I think it's because they were being pretentious about it. Both in and out of the game you get the impression that they think they've created a masterpiece.

Showing off confidence is not inherently a bad thing. But they had a ton of bad PR.

 

[Armaros]

Ah I see it is like that.

Feel free to substantiate your claims at any point, the onus is on you here to provide evidence.

But we are suppose to take your word for it that the video is wrong because of their supposed misconceptions about the game

 

[psykobunny]

I think it's because they were being pretentious about it. Both in and out of the game you get the impression that they think they've created a masterpiece, but they ain't even shit.

Didn't know that marketing is part of the review process. I just don't get why they finally decided to call bullshit on AAA super vanilla check list games.